Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 8258230)

Hey, while you're at it why not merge the Media Center with D.C.?

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8258258)

DraftPlanet would have more threads posted in it during the college season if it was on top. For whatever reason it seems to be the bastard subforum on here. The thing about DraftPlanet its not really just about the Chiefs, you get the whole broad spectrum of the NFL discussed in it. Its basically the purest football talk on this board, with not much trolling at all to be honest. It is a board that with all the resources and different insight the posters on here bring, is one of the best in all of pro-football. CP Mock Draft is the best thread of the year on the entire board, its pure football and with the expection of Hootie making an ass of himself generally troll free.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8257073)

I hope you don't ever run for political office.

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8257103)

I'll agree to it on one condition: Bring back tags.

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 8258276)

As a long time member here I have to say [/size]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8258258)

CP Mock Draft is the best thread of the year on the entire board, its pure football and with the expection of Hootie making an ass of himself generally troll free.

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 8258293)

There is currently 2 threads in Draft planet that has been posted in in the last 24 hours.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8258390)

Jesus. Just merge Draft Planet with the I'm Not Happy Unless I'm Bitching forum.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8258390)

the I'm Not Happy Unless I'm Bitching forum.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8258190)

By combining it with something completely unrelated. Might as well combine it with the pictures thread.

I have literally no voice on the issue, and I go elsewhere for my draft conversation, as have several of the people who dig the draft really hard. What you guys decide to do is your perogative.

I've just been exhausted with the half measures on ChiefsPlanet.

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 8258230)

Hey, while you're at it why not merge the Media Center with D.C.?

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8258359)

Too different.

How about we merge D.C. and the Lounge?

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8258742)

Threads like this crack me up. If there's one thing the mods around here have repeatedly shown they don't give a shit about (especially DaFace), it's the will of the people. I assume they'll solicit opinions, figure out what the majority wants, and do the exact opposite.

ChiefsPlanet! Built on every American principle EXCEPT democracy! LMAO

And FWIW, I don't give a shit one way or another.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 8258801)

So, what you're saying is, you would like to see DC merged with the Lounge, the KU Repository threads stickied, and the DOTY given mod privs for 2012.

If you insist... :shrug:



:evil:

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8258970)

What about DC? Why is that one in plain view while a legitimate football sub-forum is hidden?

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8258981)

Because it's the most heavily used subforum?

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8258981)

Because it's the most heavily used subforum?

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 8258216)

It takes 2 seconds to set the prefix, and you can probably bookmark it so you would never have to see the casino prefixes. There might be a user-level hack where we could hide certain prefixes for a certain user, but I'd have to look into that.

Personally, I think football sub-forums on a football board are ridiculous... and while I care about the draft, I don't care for all the speculation and mocks. I care about discussing needs and prospects, but don't care to speculate about the same small group of players for several months leading up to the draft. However, I do think the amount of mock drafts and 'who should I start' can be a bit much, so I understand why there's a separate forum.

And sure, it's something worth talking about pretty much year round... the first page of Draft Planet basically goes back to the beginning of November. If we combined the two right now, it would basically push everything from DraftPlanet off the first page that was before 12/25, but the first post on the 2nd page would be from 12/20, then 12/15.

For CasinoPlanet, there were two threads posted between 2/24/11 and 8/4. There are 8 pages from August until now, where DraftPlanet has 2 between 5/29/11 and now. That's almost no overlap. If you're there everyday or even once a week, I'd think you would never have to click the 2nd page or use prefixes to catch all new replies in the combined forum. The biggest overlap will probably be Dec/Jan.

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8258217)

Wow. I don't know what to say to this. I have no idea what you expected to accomplish with this post. I'm pretty sure this wasn't even directed at me but it still pisses me off. If you want your ideas to make this place more suitable for yourself then consider this thread an invitation to voice your ideas. I personally guarantee coming in with an attitude somewhat similar to that of my ex-wife will get you exactly nowhere.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8258258)

DraftPlanet would have more threads posted in it during the college season if it was on top. For whatever reason it seems to be the bastard subforum on here. The thing about DraftPlanet its not really just about the Chiefs, you get the whole broad spectrum of the NFL discussed in it. Its basically the purest football talk on this board, with not much trolling at all to be honest. It is a board that with all the resources and different insight the posters on here bring, is one of the best in all of pro-football. CP Mock Draft is the best thread of the year on the entire board, its pure football and with the expection of Hootie making an ass of himself generally troll free.

My suggestion would be to put the Fantasy Football and Gambling section in the Media Center and rename that entire thing - Entertainment Center since that is what Fantasy Football and Gambling is more than the DraftPlanet. Then DraftPlanet can stay in the spot where the Casino is year-round.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8258709)

Again what is the problem with leaving it up year around? Other than the summer months, the draft can really be talked about all year - especially during college season.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8258865)

I've never understood why the draft forum isn't on all the time. (stickied 24/7/365)

There should be a FF forum also. (in-season stickied)

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8258904)

I didn't even know what the default settings were. I have the DC forum hidden, but didn't really know what view the guests get.

SO I logged out and see that by default, the draft forum is hidden but the DC forum is not? What kind of ****ed up logic is that?

Now that I've had time to think about this, I think that the draft and FF/Gambling forums should remain separate. The default view for anyone should be Media Center, Draft Forum and FF/Gambling, with the latter turned off during the offseason.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8258970)

What about DC? Why is that one in plain view while a legitimate football sub-forum is hidden?

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8258995)

Heavily using would certainly describe the majority of the posters in there.

Personally, I have no stake in either. I hide the DC forum and never venture in there. I rarely read the draft forum and never post there.

I just thought it was odd that we hide a football subforum and leave that cesspool in plain view.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8260097)

I want to apologize for my tone throughout the thread.

I don't mean to come off as a dick. As a rule, I try to save that for the DC forum. :D

I just feel like submerging my favorite forum on ChiefsPlanet robs the Planet of the full football experience.

I've been rebuffed numerous times and largely ignored on this issue for years now. It's just built up the frustration and boom, here you have it.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8260097)

I want to apologize for my tone throughout the thread.

I don't mean to come off as a dick. As a rule, I try to save that for the DC forum. :D

I just feel like submerging my favorite forum on ChiefsPlanet robs the Planet of the full football experience.

I've been rebuffed numerous times and largely ignored on this issue for years now. It's just built up the frustration and boom, here you have it.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260102)

I know you think I hate you and DraftPlanet both, but we're really trying to find a way to make this work without adding unnecessary clutter. That's why we posted the thread.

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8260105)

I just wanted to show you something from PatriotsPlanet

I took a screen grab from their main football forum and their version of the lounge.

First of all, their header is about an inch larger than CP's. And they have 5 stickies at all times, meaning their members have to scroll for...1 SECOND (the horror) to get to see what they want. So wtf is the big deal with adding 1 more subforum up top?

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8260105)

I just wanted to show you something from PatriotsPlanet

I took a screen grab from their main football forum and their version of the lounge.

First of all, their header is about an inch larger than CP's. And they have 5 stickies at all times, meaning their members have to scroll for...1 SECOND (the horror) to get to see what they want. So wtf is the big deal with adding 1 more subforum up top?

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260122)

Which forum looks more professional: Pats Planet or Chiefs Planet?

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260122)

Which forum looks more professional: Pats Planet or Chiefs Planet?

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8260117)

Looks like DraftPlanet is back.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260118)

FWIW, I went ahead and put Draft Planet at the top while I tinker with a few things.

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8260128)

Definitely ChiefsPlanet, but only by a hair (it's not that different really)

However, adding an extra inch of space isn't going to ruin anyone's day like you think it is for some reason.

It's not like we have sticky threads all the time. You can get to the new posts in the same amount of time it took when there was no Draft Planet subforum up top.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8260065)

Once again.

I started a mock draft thread. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.

It consolidates all the mocks and allows for draft conversation to flow freely.

Then a mod moved it.

To an unrelated forum.

Why would you do that, then continually bring up these bullshit complaints? Shall I dig it up from Casino Planet?

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8260065)

Once again.

I started a mock draft thread. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.

It consolidates all the mocks and allows for draft conversation to flow freely.

Then a mod moved it.

To an unrelated forum.

Why would you do that, then continually bring up these bullshit complaints? Shall I dig it up from Casino Planet?

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8258742)

Threads like this crack me up. If there's one thing the mods around here have repeatedly shown they don't give a shit about (especially DaFace), it's the will of the people. I assume they'll solicit opinions, figure out what the majority wants, and do the exact opposite.

ChiefsPlanet! Built on every American principle EXCEPT democracy! LMAO

And FWIW, I don't give a shit one way or another.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260149)

The point is, web usability has a lot to do with reducing the amount of scrolling people have to do. The stat I've heard over and over again is that users spend 80% of their time looking at content "above the fold" - in other words, above the bottom of the screen when they haven't scrolled down at all. That's undoubtedly way too high for regulars around here, but it's probably close for people visiting for the first time. Too much scrolling is irritating, and when people have to do it too much, it makes a site seem clunky and unprofessional.

I know we're not trying to make money around here, but I've always "admin-ed" around here with the #1 goal of improving usability. I know it doesn't seem like much, but I honestly think less of sites like the Orange Mane and Pats Planet when I visit just because they're not designed as well. Their color schemes, post layouts, and excessive amounts of stickies, subforums, and random youtube videos at the top of the page makes it a slower information consuming experience. My goal is to help people absorb the maximum amount of information in the quickest amount of time, which means reducing any of that crap that isn't necessary. That includes that little 1/4" of space. It's not much, but when you load a page a hundred times a day, it adds up subconsciously.

Regardless, there may be a way to make this work and let people choose on their own, so stay tuned.

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 8260462)

I honestly didn't even notice that Draft Planet had been added to the top until now.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8260483)

i think you meant say that your experience of the planet has been ruined and you are never coming back...

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8260451)

you seem convinced people care about the things you care about, for reasons that can't be substantiated...

now that the draft forum has been added, my experience of the planet is...exactly the same...

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8260451)

the lounge displays below the fold for me on my laptop (and for many i'd assume) as is, one more forum makes no difference...

do you receive feedback from people saying they won't visit or enjoy the planet less based on there being 4 or 5 forums listed? I would find it hard to believe...in the absence of any data it's a non-issue...

you seem convinced people care about the things you care about, for reasons that can't be substantiated...

now that the draft forum has been added, my experience of the planet is...exactly the same...

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8260501)

We don't care how many forums are up top either. We're here. We're not leaving. You're right. It doesn't change how fellow-addicts feel about their experience here. Keeping the number of sub-forums visible up top is more about staying clean and crisp for n00bs who come to visit the forum. We must remain appealing to visitors or this site will eventually dry up.

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 8260515)

I don't know what alternating DP means, but color me intrigued.

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8260501)

We don't care how many forums are up top either. We're here. We're not leaving. You're right. It doesn't change how fellow-addicts feel about their experience here. Keeping the number of sub-forums visible up top is more about staying clean and crisp for n00bs who come to visit the forum. We must remain appealing to visitors or this site will eventually dry up.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8260524)

again, this is off point...the extra forum isn't going affect people who come to a message board looking for a forum...this isn't Huffington Post...the content of the site is a level deep inside threads, users understand that, as users understand and expect the content of other types of sites to be presented differently

and of course this will be easy to confirm...if the site 'dries up' we'll know it was a mistake...but it won't have any measurable effect, if you even cared to somehow measure it...or just check the analytics...

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8260545)

We just need to combine everything under 1 forum and re-live the good ole days

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260550)

Just to clarify, are you implying that the user interface isn't important to finding and retaining users? Of course this is minor, but it's the combination of the little things that make places professional and successful. Do we have to have the OP on every thread? Of course not, but it helps to retain continuity throughout a thread. Do we have to have gray boxes on the left to separate posts from user information? Nope, but it helps to make a thread easier to read. This place is made up of hundreds and hundreds of tweaks that have been added over the years, and a minor decision like what subforums go at the top is just one of those.

Or, if none of it matters, we could always go back to this:

http://web.archive.org/web/200104191....php?forumid=1

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260550)

http://web.archive.org/web/200104191....php?forumid=1

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 8260552)

Agreed.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8260585)

I say we put it up for a vote.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260589)

Oh, man. I think Direckshun would personally hunt me down if we eliminated Draft Planet entirely.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8260550)

Or, if none of it matters, we could always go back to this:

http://web.archive.org/web/200104191....php?forumid=1

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8260373)

You needn't dig it up. I believe a mod could have made a mistake. It's entirely possible. Did you contact a mod at that time or have you just let this fester ever since then?