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BossChief 01-06-2012 11:25 AM

L.A.Chieffan is giving KnowMo a run for his money are the planets most successful troll.

He is so damn good that sometimes I have to read his posts twice just to make sure he isn't serious.

htismaqe 01-06-2012 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8268579)
and you propose to do what exactly? reach for a qb in the first round so he can more than likely bust for 3 or four years and we're back to where we started? no thank you sir. what we need to do is realize where we are at and come to grips of what is best for the team in the immediate future. bring in josh, draft a couple of OL early to help protect cassell and the running game, charles and moeaki will be back from injury and let let matt flourish.

Matt Cassel...flourish...

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Johnny Vegas 01-06-2012 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8268579)
and you propose to do what exactly? reach for a qb in the first round so he can more than likely bust for 3 or four years and we're back to where we started? no thank you sir. what we need to do is realize where we are at and come to grips of what is best for the team in the immediate future. bring in josh, draft a couple of OL early to help protect cassell and the running game, charles and moeaki will be back from injury and let let matt flourish.

let me know how that goes. so tell me what the difference is when you draft a QB every 3-4 years, be-it they're busts, or buy into an unproven QB that hasn't done shit in 3-4 years and signing a busted ass QB every half decade who never amounts to shit? I'll go with drafting a QB every ****ing year till your guy is found. Instead you're overlooking the real problem and want to draft OL every year in the draft where ultimately the team is only as good as its QB. You'll take Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Brandon Albert over Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Peyton Manning, and Cam Newton right? Drafting a QB is like having a new baby. They're sponges and will learn a hell of a lot faster under the first system instead of buying a QB that was under multiple systems and can't teach 'em new tricks and can't get them out of their own bad habits.

Titty Meat 01-06-2012 11:27 AM

Actually I just looked it up. McDaniels offenses in Denver ranked 19th and 20th. ****.

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Kerberos 01-06-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8268613)
Matt Cassel...flourish...

ROFL ROFL ROFL


My thoughts exactly...Jesus are these guys eating brain tumors for breakfast?

BossChief 01-06-2012 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8268621)
Actually I just looked it up. McDaniels offenses in Denver ranked 19th and 20th. ****.

And he basically refused to run the ball.

A year later, they are the top running attack in the league.

L.A. Chieffan 01-06-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 8268619)
let me know how that goes. so tell me what the difference is when you draft a QB every 3-4 years, be-it they're busts, or buy into an unproven QB that hasn't done shit in 3-4 years and signing a busted ass QB every half decade who never amounts to shit? I'll go with drafting a QB every ****ing year till your guy is found. Instead you're overlooking the real problem and want to draft OL every year in the draft where ultimately the team is only as good as its QB. You'll take Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Brandon Albert over Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Peyton Manning, and Cam Newton right?

drew brees was a "busted ass qb" that san diego gave up on. we all know were brady was drafted... shit i just came up with two of the best qbs of all time right off the top of my head

htismaqe 01-06-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8268621)
Actually I just looked it up. McDaniels offenses in Denver ranked 19th and 20th. ****.

He didn't have Cassel in Denver. He would here.

Yin and Yang. Peanut butter and jelly.

Kick and nuts.

Johnny Vegas 01-06-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8268641)
drew brees was a "busted ass qb" that san diego gave up on. we all know were brady was drafted... shit i just came up with two of the best qbs of all time right off the top of my head

no he wasn't he was hurt with the shoulder injury and SD just drafted Rivers who was benched getting a huge contract. Brady is the goddamn exception if you haven't figured that out by now. What year was he drafted again? How many years has it been since a 7 rounder QB made as big of an impact as Brady let a lone ever?

Titty Meat 01-06-2012 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8268588)
John Clayton just said Josh McDanieks won't be back in Stl and that "if he doesn't want the job in Kansas City, he will go back to NE"

The way he worded that comment seems to indicate the job is his if he wants it.

The OC job.

Hmm working with Brady or Cassel? If what Clayton is saying is true then McDaniels won't be coming here

http://i39.tinypic.com/fatoi0.jpg

Carlota69 01-06-2012 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8268658)
Hmm working with Brady or Cassel? If what Clayton is saying is true then McDaniels won't be coming here

http://i39.tinypic.com/fatoi0.jpg

One school of thought is MCD would choose here because it would be the fastest way back to HC. EECKKK.

boogblaster 01-06-2012 11:39 AM

ima gettin sick ......

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Epic Fail 007 01-06-2012 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8268658)
Hmm working with Brady or Cassel? If what Clayton is saying is true then McDaniels won't be coming here

http://i39.tinypic.com/fatoi0.jpg

lmao love the gif

Titty Meat 01-06-2012 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 8268667)
One school of thought is MCD would choose here because it would be the fastest way back to HC. EECKKK.

If he were the head coach in waiting here it'd be another 3-4 years assuming Pioli and company isn't shit canned within the next year or 2 which is possible if they suck. Coaching Brady atleast would make him look like a genius and would be the faster way to get a HC job IMO.

Carlota69 01-06-2012 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8268676)
If he were the head coach in waiting here it'd be another 3-4 years assuming Pioli and company isn't shit canned within the next year or 2 which is possible if they suck. Coaching Brady atleast would make him look like a genius and would be the faster way to get a HC job IMO.

Im hoping thats MCDs thought too and he chooses NE. Some "analyst" said he may choose KC. I hope not.

Epic Fail 007 01-06-2012 11:45 AM

Hey pioli
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Coogs 01-06-2012 11:46 AM

Poili trying to force feed the OC and QB to the new HC. And Nick Wright feels sorry for Poili! :shake:

L.A. Chieffan 01-06-2012 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 8268654)
no he wasn't he was hurt with the shoulder injury and SD just drafted Rivers who was benched getting a huge contract. Brady is the goddamn exception if you haven't figured that out by now. What year was he drafted again? How many years has it been since a 7 rounder QB made as big of an impact as Brady let a lone ever?

kurt warner. shits too easy son

Johnny Vegas 01-06-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8268699)
kurt warner.

eli manning. and Warner wasn't even drafted. So again what 7th round QB has shined like Brady?

edit: I mean 6th round pick. I don't know why I keep thinking 7th.

HemiEd 01-06-2012 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 8268080)
Hard to believe Pioli would get the OC before settling on the HC.

Really? That has been how they have done things so far with Pioli. Most of us thought it was Clark, and it still might be.

L.A. Chieffan 01-06-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 8268702)
eli manning. and Warner wasn't even drafted. So again what 7th round QB has shined like Brady?

it was worse than a seventh rounder... now i gotta come up with someone drafted EXACTLY in the seventh? ROFL obviously you know im right and cant come up with anything else

L.A. Chieffan 01-06-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 8268710)
Really? That has been how they have done things so far with Pioli. Most of us thought it was Clark, and it still might be.

its possible pioli is looking at him for HC not OC

HemiEd 01-06-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8268110)
I don't buy into it because Clark Hunt doesn't believe in Cassel the same way Pioli does according to the guy I talk to that's given me solid info in the past. At the end of the day, if Clark has an opinion about a player, and the need to upgrade or change, it's going to happen regardless of Pioli's thoughts.

:grovel::grovel: We can only hope. All signs have been pointing to more Cassel, hopefully they have been smoke.

Johnny Vegas 01-06-2012 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8268719)
it was worse than a seventh rounder... now i gotta come up with someone drafted EXACTLY in the seventh? ROFL obviously you know im right and cant come up with anything else

Kurt Warner is another Warren Moon. Warner just lucked out on a 3 yard tackle from the goal line to win the SB.

HemiEd 01-06-2012 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8268721)
its possible pioli is looking at him for HC not OC

Crap, I would hope not, but I guess anything is possible. That would be the equivelent of Haley sticking with Palko IMO.

Pioli-FU I will hire who I want dammit, even if he has sucked everywhere else, this will be different!

Clark- pick up your parting gifts on the way out.


This whole ****ing league is just so retread oriented, it gets kind of old.

Epic Fail 007 01-06-2012 12:06 PM

Hey pioli
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Rain Man 01-06-2012 12:08 PM

I really don't want Frodo here.

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HemiEd 01-06-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8268569)
Cassel needs the opposition to leave his primary receiver wide open and decline to penetrate the pocket..

But not too far open, so that he gets so excited he wets his pants, and overthrows him by 8 yards.

Amnorix 01-06-2012 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8268236)
There's also the grand courting of Cassel by McD and Pioli in 2009, with all the professions of eternal love and $$M's. But yeah, the enigma of what ANYONE sees in Cassel continues to confound.


Sure, in early 2009 Pioli thought Cassel was capable of becoming a solid NFL starting QB. He also thought McD was capable of being a solid NFL HC (as did Denver, obviously).

He's not locked into those positions forever. Data develops and impressions/opinions change. Just because he hired Haley in 2008 doesn't mean he's hiring him in 2012 also...

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-06-2012 12:36 PM

I feel like the guy on the ground

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FringeNC 01-06-2012 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8268569)
Cassel needs the opposition to leave his primary receiver wide open and decline to penetrate the pocket..

And it's amazing how often that happened in 2010. Jamal Charles is pretty good.

petegz28 01-06-2012 12:47 PM

It's pretty obvious. Pioli wants Casel....McDaniels wanted Cassel...Romeo or any other coach we hire will most likely be saddled with Cassel regardles so I'd say a hiring of McDaniels just confirms Cassel will be the starter.

Fritz88 01-06-2012 12:49 PM

So let me get this straight.

Pioli is talking to Josh for the OC position which means

A) Pioli will force Josh upon any HC he chooses which means ----> The next head coach is a "Yes, Sir" type coach who will do whatever pleases Pioli to keep his job (Cassel as QB)

B) Pioli has chosen Romeo as his next HC but he's trying to find him an OC. This goes against what Romeo said in his first presser "The next HC should choose his assistants". This goes back to point A.

OR

C) Pioli is going to hire Josh as his HC.

Someone shoot me.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-06-2012 12:50 PM

Just fire Pioli.

The Franchise 01-06-2012 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8268689)
Hey pioli
<img style="visibility:hidden;width:0px;height:0px;" border=0 width=0 height=0 src="http://c.gigcount.com/wildfire/IMP/CXNID=2000002.0NXC/bT*xJmx*PTEzMjU4NzE4MTk3MTgmcHQ9MTMyNTg3MTgzNzE5NCZwPTg3NTkxJmQ9Y29tbWVudHMtY29kZWJveCZnPTEmbz1iM2Jl/OGUxMzhiNzg*Y2QyOWRhYTc*NTQ3Y2I2ZTlmMg==.gif" /><p><a href="http://www.satisfaction.com/codes/bbw-big-beautiful-women-comments-1.php"><img src="http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv140/satisfaction-com/bbw/bbw0202.gif" border="0" alt="BBW, Big Beautiful Women Pictures, Comments, Images, Graphics, Photos" title="BBW, Big Beautiful Women Pictures, Comments, Images, Graphics, Photos"></a><br><a href="http://www.satisfaction.com/codes/bbw-big-beautiful-women-comments-1.php" title="BBW, Big Beautiful Women Pictures, Comments, Images, Graphics, Photos">BBW, Big Beautiful Women Pictures Comments</a> - <a href="http://www.satisfaction.com/photobucket-login/" title="Photobucket Login" target="_blank">Photobucket</a></p>

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8268745)
Hey pioli
<img style="visibility:hidden;width:0px;height:0px;" border=0 width=0 height=0 src="http://c.gigcount.com/wildfire/IMP/CXNID=2000002.0NXC/bT*xJmx*PTEzMjU4NzMwOTEwNjMmcHQ9MTMyNTg3MzExMDE5MiZwPTg3NTkxJmQ9Y29tbWVudHMtY29kZWJveCZnPTEmbz1iM2Jl/OGUxMzhiNzg*Y2QyOWRhYTc*NTQ3Y2I2ZTlmMg==.gif" /><p><a href="http://www.satisfaction.com/codes/quotes-sayings-graphics-comments-1.php"><img src="http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv140/satisfaction-com/qts/qts1704.gif" border="0" alt="Quotes and Sayings Pictures, Comments, Images, Graphics, Photos" title="Quotes and Sayings Pictures, Comments, Images, Graphics, Photos"></a><br><a href="http://www.satisfaction.com/codes/quotes-sayings-graphics-comments-1.php" title="Quotes and Sayings Pictures, Comments, Images, Graphics, Photos">Quotes and Sayings Pictures Comments</a> - <a href="http://www.satisfaction.com/photobucket-login/" title="Photobucket Login" target="_blank">Photobucket</a></p>

You're like a 13 year old girl who just found MySpace.

FringeNC 01-06-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8268843)
It's pretty obvious. Pioli wants Casel....McDaniels wanted Cassel...Romeo or any other coach we hire will most likely be saddled with Cassel regardles so I'd say a hiring of McDaniels just confirms Cassel will be the starter.

I don't know. Will Crennel bend over and take Cassel? I'm pretty sure he'd much prefer Orton. I have a small amount of hope Crennel will veto Cassel, and Pioli will deal with it.

The Franchise 01-06-2012 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8268856)
I don't know. Will Crennel bend over and take Cassel? I'm pretty sure he'd much prefer Orton. I have a small amount of hope Crennel will veto Cassel, and Pioli will deal with it.

If that's the case....then Pioli is bringing in McDaniels because he's worked with both.

O.city 01-06-2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8268852)
Just fire Pioli.

I can get behind this.


It's getting laughable the moves he makes.

Everyone around the league laughs at Cassel, yet Pehole says I'll show you guys.

**** it. He's brought in some good pieces but he can GTFO.

Micjones 01-06-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8268852)
Just fire Pioli.

Certainly I think he warrants all the criticism one can heave upon him, but after just one Head Coaching hire?

seaofred 01-06-2012 01:12 PM

Maybe Crennel wants McDaniels to be his OC?

Micjones 01-06-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 8268915)
Maybe Crennel wants McDaniels to be his OC?

Could be. Could be not. Who's to say?

O.city 01-06-2012 01:16 PM

Maybe we go stake out I70 say about Columbia, get some Bouches burgers and trops, sit and wait for Mcdaniels to drive under the last bridge there by the mall and run him down, ask him politely to go to NE.


Who's in?

Fritz88 01-06-2012 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8268900)
I can get behind this.


It's getting laughable the moves he makes.

Everyone around the league laughs at Cassel, yet Pehole says I'll show you guys.

**** it. He's brought in some good pieces but he can GTFO.


If it weren't for the ego of a German General, WWI could have been avoided. Things would not have been so bad for everyone involved.

Pioli did bring some good pieces, his drafts are improving year by year. I used to discount Whitlock's claim that Pioli has too big of an ego to admit his mistakes but it's look as if Jason was right. Pioli is not admitting that Cassel is the problem and he's not willing to let go of him. This can truly turn this talented team into nothing within 2-3 years.

**** Pioli if he forces Cassel on us.

O.city 01-06-2012 01:34 PM

Maybe Pioli wants to bring in Mcd to work with Luck, as he knows he's going all in for the guys this eyar.

DaWolf 01-06-2012 01:35 PM

Wow. Overreact anyone?

IF McDaniels is hired as the OC, then I am fine with it.

1) We know already they aren't going to get rid of Cassel this year, so I've given up worrying about it. Waste of breath. Might as well put him in the best position to succeed if that involves bringing in a coach who he is comfortable with and vice versa. Either he plays like an average to a sometimes slightly above average QB and helps this team get back to the playoffs, or he falls flat on his face. Either way, next year is probably the more logical time to start looking for his replacement than this year, because I don't think we're going to be able to leapfrog and outbid teams to move up for RG3.

2) If we hire McDaniels and put a dynamic offense on the field to go with an up and coming defense and win over the next three years or so, I would have no issue with him succeeding Crennel as the HC, because it would provide continuity to a winning program and he would not be calling the personnel shots. If instead the offense continues to suck and we continue to be a mediocre team, none of these guys are going to be around in a couple of years anyway and we'll be looking to hire the next big thing.

At the end of the day, if this is what Pioli wants, then it better translate into W's, otherwise he's done. The offense was pretty decent under another ex-Pats OC, so I'm not going to lose sleep over it if he does come here. I would be really pissed however if we hired yet another OL coach to be the OC, or did something like promote Maurice Carthon to that role...

htismaqe 01-06-2012 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8268901)
Certainly I think he warrants all the criticism one can heave upon him, but after just one Head Coaching hire?

And one HORRIBLE QB acquisition.

petegz28 01-06-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8268990)
And one HORRIBLE QB acquisition.

And no effort to build the lines or any real depth....

htismaqe 01-06-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8268984)
If we hire McDaniels and put a dynamic offense on the field

You could have stopped right there.

McDaniels = Cassel.

Cassel <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< dynamic offense.

DeezNutz 01-06-2012 01:38 PM

I remember back in '09, oh sooooo loooonngggg ago. And dumbasses like myself were actually excited about hiring Pioli.

Oops.

htismaqe 01-06-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8268993)
And no effort to build the lines or any real depth....

None of which matters because we have no QB.

suds79 01-06-2012 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8268984)
Wow. Overreact anyone?

IF McDaniels is hired as the OC, then I am fine with it.

1) We know already they aren't going to get rid of Cassel this year, so I've given up worrying about it. Waste of breath. Might as well put him in the best position to succeed if that involves bringing in a coach who he is comfortable with and vice versa. Either he plays like an average to a sometimes slightly above average QB and helps this team get back to the playoffs, or he falls flat on his face. Either way, next year is probably the more logical time to start looking for his replacement than this year, because I don't think we're going to be able to leapfrog and outbid teams to move up for RG3.

When I read this, it just strikes me as a "Well what can we do? Might as well just go with it kind of attitude."

That's the part that bugs me. They're suppose to be competing for our dollar. If their plan isn't to do that, then we have every right to show our displeasure and not attend games.

O.city 01-06-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8269000)
None of which matters because we have no QB.

Pete still harping on the lines.

Good lord.

pr_capone 01-06-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefPote (Post 8268440)
Yeah big ****ing deal alright. I got ****in cheated in the damn gladiator games. :harumph:

I got screwed in Survivor too. I'm seeing a pattern develop here.

Be careful Pest... I may just have to blowy ou to bits.

HemiEd 01-06-2012 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8268997)
I remember back in '09, oh sooooo loooonngggg ago. And dumbasses like myself were actually excited about hiring Pioli.

Oops.

So was I. But like Clark, I have my gun cocked waiting to see what he does next and if it works, great.

If not http://i41.tinypic.com/kt35z.jpg

Chiefnj2 01-06-2012 01:46 PM

If McDaniels demands that KC move up and grab RGIII, I'll welcome him with open arms.

O.city 01-06-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8269022)
If McDaniels demands that KC move up and grab RGIII, I'll welcome him with open arms.

This.


Maybe it will finally open Piolis eyes if wonderboy Mcdaniels says he doesn't wanna work with Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-06-2012 01:50 PM

Remove yourself from the situation.

If a GM brought in a questionable QB and gave him $60 million before he'd taken a snap when we already owned his rights for two years, drafted a complementary player at #3 overall, sinking another $60 million, hired a lunatic coach who was fired after 2.5 years, and then his solution to this problem was to bring a guy as offensive coordinator who is a pariah in the league, who has been caught cheating, and whose offenses are incompetent, and then wants to stick with said QB despite every objective analysis showing that he is one of the worst players at his position, what has he done to warrant keeping his job?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-06-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8269022)
If McDaniels demands that KC move up and grab RGIII, I'll welcome him with open arms.

Because offensive coordinators control decisions on 1st round draft picks.

O.city 01-06-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8269037)
Remove yourself from the situation.

If a GM brought in a questionable QB and gave him $60 million before he'd taken a snap when we already owned his rights for two years, drafted a complementary player at #3 overall, sinking another $60 million, hired a lunatic coach who was fired after 2.5 years, and then his solution to this problem was to bring a guy as offensive coordinator who is a pariah in the league, who has been caught cheating, and whose offenses are incompetent, and then wants to stick with said QB despite every objective analysis showing that he is one of the worst players at his position, what has he done to warrant keeping his job?

This.

Wow, hadn't looked at it that way. Very humbling.

How bad is it that the best move of all those things is drafting Tyson Jackson?

KC_Lee 01-06-2012 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8269037)
Remove yourself from the situation.

If a GM brought in a questionable QB and gave him $60 million before he'd taken a snap when we already owned his rights for two years, drafted a complementary player at #3 overall, sinking another $60 million, hired a lunatic coach who was fired after 2.5 years, and then his solution to this problem was to bring a guy as offensive coordinator who is a pariah in the league, who has been caught cheating, and whose offenses are incompetent, and then wants to stick with said QB despite every objective analysis showing that he is one of the worst players at his position, what has he done to warrant keeping his job?

Well that certianly is a bucket of ice cold water on an other wise nice day.

SAUTO 01-06-2012 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8269037)
Remove yourself from the situation.

If a GM brought in a questionable QB and gave him $60 million before he'd taken a snap when we already owned his rights for two years, drafted a complementary player at #3 overall, sinking another $60 million, hired a lunatic coach who was fired after 2.5 years, and then his solution to this problem was to bring a guy as offensive coordinator who is a pariah in the league, who has been caught cheating, and whose offenses are incompetent, and then wants to stick with said QB despite every objective analysis showing that he is one of the worst players at his position, what has he done to warrant keeping his job?

Has anything in bold been confirmed yet?

DaWolf 01-06-2012 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 8269003)
When I read this, it just strikes me as a "Well what can we do? Might as well just go with it kind of attitude."

That's the part that bugs me. They're suppose to be competing for our dollar. If their plan isn't to do that, then we have every right to show our displeasure and not attend games.

Absolutely. And if they lose, that's what will happen. That's what's been happening.

I have no issues expressing displeasure with the situation. But what I'm talking about here in regards to the displeasure with McDaniels as the OC is because it seems to be disliked mostly due to the idea that it means Matt Cassel will be here. Well, unfortunately, Matt Cassel will be here in 2012 with or without McDaniels. So, here are the options:

1) Matt Cassel + an OC he has had some success with in the past and runs a similar system to what Weis ran in his time here
2) Matt Cassel + someone who is not a proven OC
3) Matt Cassel + someone who is a former OL coach
4) Matt Cassel + someone who may have done a decent job elsewhere in the past but who has never worked with Cassel and who may bring a totally different style of offense that everyone will have to re-learn all over again

If the organization isn't getting rid of Cassel, then as a fan you have the right to express displeasure, not go to games, and not spend money on the team. But I'm still going to watch them on TV, and God help me, I'd take option 1 every time if Cassel is going to be behind center in Week 1.

I get the displeasure, but I think it's not really about McDaniels, it's about the idea that Cassel is going to be the QB...

Chiefnj2 01-06-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8269037)
Remove yourself from the situation.

If a GM brought in a questionable QB and gave him $60 million before he'd taken a snap when we already owned his rights for two years,

You would have preferred that the GM pay Cassel the franchise # for two years - about 30 million, which is about the same as the 28 million in guaranteed money in the contract Cassel signed? You are really upset about that?

FringeNC 01-06-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8269094)
You would have preferred that the GM pay Cassel the franchise # for two years - about 30 million, which is about the same as the 28 million in guaranteed money in the contract Cassel signed? You are really upset about that?

Yep, we were screwed on bargaining position given that Cassel had the 1 year $14m contract in hand. However, did the rest of it have to be so front-loaded? Cassel is relatively cheap by standards of starting QBs for the remainder of his contract. Of course, by performance.....

Frosty 01-06-2012 02:16 PM

Does anyone else see this as a sign that Pioli has decided on a head coach already (probably Romeo)? I think the Del Rio interview is/was probably for DC and they want to make the announcement as a package deal.

O.city 01-06-2012 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8269113)
Does anyone else see this as a sign that Pioli has decided on a head coach already (probably Romeo)? I think the Del Rio interview is/was probably for DC and they want to make the announcement as a package deal.

Romeo as HC, Del Rio as DC, and Mcd as OC?

Thoughts?

Chiefnj2 01-06-2012 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8269113)
Does anyone else see this as a sign that Pioli has decided on a head coach already (probably Romeo)? I think the Del Rio interview is/was probably for DC and they want to make the announcement as a package deal.

If Del Rio is hired as DC, I hope that on his first day of the job he shows up in the parking lot and Otis Taylor hits him with a sledge and says "paybacks a bitch".

DaWolf 01-06-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8269127)
Romeo as HC, Del Rio as DC, and Mcd as OC?

Thoughts?

Del Rio as DC is interesting. He's got a fairly short resume as a position coach/coordinator, but the time he does have is really good. LB coach with the Ravens for three years (including the Super Bowl in 2000) then DC of the Panthers for one year where they were second ranked.

Don't know however if he runs the same style of defense we run...

Frosty 01-06-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8269145)
Del Rio as DC is interesting. He's got a fairly short resume as a position coach/coordinator, but the time he does have is really good. LB coach with the Ravens for three years (including the Super Bowl in 2000) then DC of the Panthers for one year where they were second ranked.

Don't know however if he runs the same style of defense we run...

I would rather see a Ravens' style of defense than the style RAC coached up until later in the season.

L.A. Chieffan 01-06-2012 02:31 PM

It appears that Myself and dawolf are the only real fans left on this board. Although i'm not quite convinced of his backing of Cassell

O.city 01-06-2012 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8269155)
It appears that Myself and dawolf are the only real fans left on this board. Although i'm not quite convinced of his backing of Cassell

You are my idol of trolling btw.

talastan 01-06-2012 02:41 PM

I don't think Jack Del Rio as a DC would work out. Didn't they run a 4-3 in Jax? Side note: I had never heard the Otis Taylor/Del Rio story till I researched it. Gives me more of a reason not to like Del Rio.

Hootie 01-06-2012 02:43 PM

Mcdaniels never hurt anything as an OC...consider me indifferent

vailpass 01-06-2012 02:47 PM

Some of you are in desperaton mode.
No on Orton.
No on McKid

What are you going to look for next? Picking up Maurice Clarett?

O.city 01-06-2012 02:49 PM

Bring in Mcd, Keep Orton, draft Richardson, a RT, and depth.

Get a NT in FA and get healthy.

That's probably our best bet right now.

DeezNutz 01-06-2012 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8269195)
Some of you are in desperaton mode.
No on Orton.
No on McKid

What are you going to look for next? Picking up Maurice Clarett?

Probably Tebow.

vailpass 01-06-2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8269214)
Probably Tebow.

LMAO


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