This.

I think we all would like for Scott's top priority to move up to get RG3. But if that's not going to happen, am I willing to roll the dice on Peyton Manning over Matt Cassel? You bet.

A healthy Manning is not a retread, that's the issue.

The "retread" version of Joe Montana led us to our last playoff victory.

Merton Hanks says "hello"!

That is exactly how I felt about Montana coming to KC, but now with all the player moves, I don't care anymore.

Maybe not won but several have come very close to getting there and Warner almost won it. So I have no problem with this retread.

Do we even know what's going to happen with Peyton?

Is he going to be traded? Isn't he due some huge roster bonus coming up here? Could he simply be a free agent?

I honestly had never heard that. :Scanlon: guess I have had my head buried in the sand.

Well, the last time KC won a Playoff game was with a Re-Treaded Joe Montana (18 ****ing years ago!). We got all the way to the AFC Championship Game. If we can do something similar with Manning.....where shall I sign?

Exactly. If we're going to have a placeholder for a few years anyway, might as well be one that can take advantage of all the talent we have on offense.

I cannot agree with you. I would love for PMan to end up in KC for 2-3 seasons. Closes the door of Kasl and Stanzi/"other drafted QB" gets some seasoning under a top 5 of all time QB.

If you don't want Manning in KC... you are a communist.

You don't know that. Hell, Montana was 1 game away from getting us there. I still wonder how that game would have turned out if he hadn't gotten knocked out with a concussion.

And what good was Montana to us the year after that?

If we make it to the Super Bowl, who ****ing cares?

Montana suffered from concussion.

Hmmm...

Not as bad as a let's say broken neck?

Why in the F does that even matter? Seriously, sometimes I think our fans are misguided as to the purpose of Modern Day Professional Sports: It's Win Now!

Nothing. It was a short term deal as this would be. We all accept that.

It would still be worth it given a lot of us think he could at the very least get us to the AFC championship game.

.. And if Peyton ends up being a free agent, then there's absolutely no reason not to try.

There's no rookie 1st round QB coming this year, and if we're in position to get one next year, 2012 was likely a huge ****ing fail.

Might as well get Manning for a year or two.

**** it guys. Lets not bring in a QB who would instantly make us a Super Bowl team. Lets just cry when Luck and RG3 are gone and then just keep doing what we do and not win a playoff game. Maybe we decide to reach for a QB, then cry in the future when hes a bust.

No one knows if Manning is even going to be 100% healthy. Even if he is, he's a year older, a year away from the game, and one hit away from retirement. And he'll cost a king's ransom in money and/or draft picks. A team needs to be pretty close to playoff-caliber for signing Peyton to make sense.

IMO the best fit for him is the Titans. Next would be the Jets. Third would be the Cowboys, if they give up on Romo.

After those three, the pool of possibilities would be Oakland, KC, Chicago, and Arizona.

How are the Chiefs not a good fit? We have the best running game and defense he will have ever played with bar none. Our WR's Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston to go with TE Moeaki are more than enough for him, especially since he makes any no name look good.

The Titans are handing the reins to Locker, there's no way they'd go after Manning. Don't see him in Dallas, because Jerry loves Romo. Jets, maybe.

Raiders have too much invested in Palmer, Bears too much in Cutler.

Well the big "if". If Manning would deliver us a Super Bowl I would go out of my way to see him and give him a huge kiss on the lips. (not gay((nttawwt))


However I don't believe that he will get the job done. I have wanted a draft pick QB be our guy from when Steve Deberg left us. I want our own home grown QB that we can enjoy year after year that gets better with time on our side. Time has never been on our side with the retread QBs & I don't care if it's Joe Montana, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. They are not the solution to bring us a Super Bowl championship. Time runs short with them when they come to KC and the "if" factor becomes reality when they fail to bring us a Super Bowl and we are right where we are the day Carl Peterson took over.

Valid points. I'm just not sure the Chiefs are ready to part with the money (given their cheap history) and/or picks it would take to get him.

And I guess we'd have to know what the deal is with Stanzi. If they actually think he's the real deal and could develop into a very solid QB, then they could risk going for Peyton because if something bad happens Stanzi could take over in a season or two. But if they think Stanzi was a wasted pick, and have to go looking for another young QB to groom, then signing Peyton could simply set them back a few more seasons.

KC had one of the worst run blocking lines in the league last year. There will likely be turnover in at least two OL spots. KC is relying on a back coming off of ACL surgery to improve the run game.

Bowe isn't locked up yet, Moeaki has always been hurt and is coming off a serious injury, and Baldwin is still a huge unknown.

Plus, there hasn't been any sort of stability with the coaching and offense.

It's not a pretty or stable situation.

LMAO

Heck no.

But it's not personal. I actually like him. I just think he's washed up. And even if he weren't, how many seasons would I guy his age have left at a high level if healthy? One? Two tops? What is that worth? Nothing close to what the asking price is going to be

All reports are that his neck is fine. It's the nerve in his throwing arm that is the issue. If anything, his neck will be stronger than it's been in several years.

Where do you think the nerve in his throwing arm originates?

Can't tell if you're being serious, but it's two different issues. His arm rehab isn't dependent on his neck and vice versa.

I would hope so with 3 fused bones in his neck.

Seriously. The only thing that matters is the RING.

The fact that the donks won with ex-chiefs pisses me off more. It doesn't make me feel better.

Yup, I'm sure it would be hard to find a fan of the Saints that is pissed off because they didn't draft Brees.

As for the Mannings, I dislike them both, but if it gets me a SB to cheer for I'd be just as happy.

Not saying there's no impact on him, but from anything I've read/seen his neck shouldn't effect his football playing. His arm, on the other hand....

Can't stand him. However, if he could come in and be successful as a QB in KC, I could tolerate him.

I just had two spinal fusion surgeries on my neck in 2011. I don't think he is playing again. I am sure he had much better treatment and aftercare, but the spine isn't something to **** around with.

MATT CASSEL RULES!

ROFL

Who cares how they get it? You would rather have Cassel/Orton lead them to 7-9 wins?

Wow lol

I have had a similar surgery my big toe joint and I will tell you that it limits your moment in that join and loss of nerve feeling. I am 3 yrs from that surgery.

I don't think it is.

"Can you refresh our memories on Peyton Manning’s injury? What’s wrong with Peyton Manning’s neck?

Manning has degenerative disc disease of the cervical spine. He has had three surgeries thus far in his career to control pain, weakness, and tingling in his arms. Two of these surgeries happened this year, with the first in the offseason and the second shortly after the start of the 2011 season. His last surgery was a single level anterior cervical fusion. This is where the surgeon joins together Manning’s spinal bones to create stability."

A. Every surgery is different. From what I've heard (grain of salt, I know) his neck surgery went off without a hitch and his neck feels good.

B. I doubt you have access to Peyton Manning level medical care.

"Manning had neck surgery Sept. 8, the third and most invasive procedure he'd had in 19 months. Doctors fused two of Manning's vertebrae together, hoping that would fix a damaged nerve that caused weakness in Manning's throwing arm."

I'm not sure why you think the neck and arm issues are completely independent. They are not.

I could be wrong. The way I understand it, the problem in his arm isn't just tingling associated with the neck problem. It's a problem with a specific nerve that he is trying to work out. This impression comes from friends of mine who are huge Colts/Manning fans. They are constantly harping on how people keep getting his medical status wrong cause they focus on the neck.

Again, I could be mistaken, but the sensationalist argument about him having a broken neck that keeps popping up is ridiculous in any case.

I'd take him in a heartbeat. I don't like him, I like his meddling father less. However, if he returns to what he was 2 years ago, the chiefs go to the superbowl with the weapons he would have. That is all i've wanted for the last 40 years dammit.

Peyton or no Peyton or with Cassel at QB.

I bet Panthers go farther than the Chiefs will go in a playoff run in the next 2 years.

I would bet Panthers win a playoff game before Chiefs win a playoff game in the next few years.

I just don't see Peyton coming to KC in the first place & that would be Pioli sticking with Cassel. So I'm focus on hating Cassel at the moment. I hate the #7 it is of the devil.

If the team comes back at 100% this would probably be the most talented team Manning's ever been on. At least top 3.

As some who works in the newsroom at an Indy television station, I will tell you the overall feel is that Peyton is going to retire. One good pop to that neck and he could be paralyzed. He has more money than he is every going to need, a SB ring, a hall of fame career, and two brand new babies. Absolutely no reason for him to risk being a vegetable.

Personally, don't care either way, but since every other story we've done for the last six months is about his neck (don't know where this arm tingly crap comes in, we sure the hell haven't reported it) thought I would share what our sports folks say.

Archie Manning tells YSR's @CNotesbyCraig he isn't sure if Peyton will B able 2 play in @NFL next season & "we'll just have 2 wait & see."

If his neck injury doesn't stop him completely or bring his level of play down too far( and the colts commiting to Luck could be a tell tale sign of this), then I'd want no other QB beside Peyton. All The Chiefs would really have to do at that point is sign some O-line men and The Chiefs would be a great offensive team . And with the way The Chiefs defense has looked lately....:)

I'm all for Peyton Manning coming here. QB and 2 or 3 other positions are the missing pieces to the puzzle. We are a good team as a whole, especially with JC, TM and EB coming back (if they can recover). Throw Peyton Manning, assuming he would be healthy enough to play, we are an instant Superbowl contender. DO IT! But we would need to draft someone in the 2nd round probably if the value is right.

I had a phase where I despised Peyton Manning. To start, I hated the fact that he was a Colt. I have hated the Colts since the "kicker who doesn't deserve a name" game and my hatred for Manning was full-fledged after that shootout playoff game between him and Trent Green. However, I watched him on Saturday Night Live and thought he was hilarious. So at this point, I hate the fact that he is a Colt, but like him to an extent because he seems funny.

I stopped reading when someone suggested we hire their HC to be our OC...we have some serious morons on this board.

I found that amusing as well. Who needs an OC when you have Manning anyway?

He is a really funny guy from what I've seen and seems to pull off any situation in front of a camera well. I could live just seeing that and not him with an arrowhead on his helmet.

You have absolutely nothing to worry about.

So, um, do you suppose we could still borrow your place for the 'bash'?

I don't like Manning either but if he ended up here I wouldn't complain until he went down with an injury

How bout you one up it and become a Nascar fan?

First off, I'd jump for ****ing joy.

Say the three ACL injuries come back to be fine next year. We draft Richardson in the first, the best RT in the second and land a solid NT.

We sign Carl Nicks to play LG.

You wouldn't like to see Manning run that show?

Im not a huge fan of the idea...I have the same feelings about that as I did when Carl brought in Joe Montana. It sets the franchise back because its nothing but a band-aid.

That said, it would be KC's best opportunity to actually put up a win in the playoffs in 20 years, so theres that.

Peyton makes the Chiefs a SB contender, if he can be and stay healthy, possibly for the next 4 years.

With the defense coming together, you guys wouldn't wanna do that?

Peyton Manning is 35 years old and a gazillionaire. What makes you think he will play until he's 39? Especially since it seems that the NFL has taken it's toll on his body.

You are a good man there Joe. But if Peyton came to KC and played 2 to 3 good years, gets us to a SB, a SB win and mentors Stanzi, I can live with that very easily.

Providing we do not have to give up a ton for him and the fact he is healthy, a clean bill of health by our doctors and not Indy's or the Mannings.

But FTR, I think he is done as well.

Why would we need to do that? Manning was essentially the offensive coordinator anyways.

Washington?

Damn I need to read the entire thread before I post.

Kurt Warner almost did.

So when was it that you lost your testicles?

I'd be happy as **** if Manning somehow made it here. If its not Manning, its ****ing Matt Cassel. Scream out retread all you want, but we arent in a position to land a ****ing top flight qb in the draft. I would love that out of any qb thats in the NFL that we can reasonably land.

We need to face the facts that we are ****ed in the qb department. We need to hope and ****ing pray Scott Pioli can pull a Mike Kupchek. Different sports, but you get the idea.

Okay, great. The Chiefs pick 12th this year. Who do you want them to go for?

No way Pioli dumps Cassel for a damaged old QB.

I don't think that Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli have anything that anyone else could possibly want, to trade to get Luck or Griffin.

They have their next three 1st round picks. I'd be ****ing ecstatic if they made that deal.

I'll take Manning in a heartbeat, sign him up NOW!

I would LOVE to have payton, I would gladly have 5 years or more of shit football to have one or two REAL chances to win a superbowl.

If payton come back his health would be good, he dosent get hit much because he gets rid of the ball fast.

But with our recievers, our running back and our Defense, we could really do well. I don't care about 2016 and beyond, just want them to do something now.

With cassel there is a 100% chance we will not win the superbowl, heck not even the afc championship.

No matter what we have to pull out all of the stops if we want to win the big one and he is about the only way.

You do know why hes had so many neck surgeries, right?

We have a starting QB and his name is Matt Cassel. If we were to somehow to obtain Peyton Manning, he'd have to first win the starting job, and it isn't at all clear that would happen.