Lol.


That's funny coming from you for multiple reasons....the guy who was so convinced regarding the Manning/Rivers saga....even though half the ****ing board came out and told you you were dead wrong....and still couldn't accept it....

Yeah some ****ing guru you are.

I wasn't wrong about the fact that SD wanted Manning over Rivers. AJ Smith is still bitter over Manning...

And you still can't accept it.

ROFL

I'll take AJ Smiths words over some idiot on a forum trying to pimp Ryan Lindley. Sorry.

AJ Smiths words....lol....gtfo

Go ahead and find the quote.....so ****ing stupid, man.

And you act like trying to pimp Cousins makes you some sort of guru....ROFL

So much butthurt from you just because I said Cousins has several flaws.

So insecure aren't we?

Here is an article I found about th whole thing.

A.J. Smith still salty about Eli Manning
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 4, 2011, 9:34 AM EST
AJ Smith AP

Eli Manning may have the Super Bowl ring, but the Chargers got the better quarterback in their 2004 draft day trade for Philip Rivers. They also got kicker Nate Kaeding and linebacker Shawne Merriman in the deal.

Despite all that, plenty of Chargers fans still have animosity towards Manning for forcing his way out of town. It sounds like Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith does as well.

“He was a Charger for 45 minutes,” Smith told the Sporting News “and that was too much time to be a Charger, in my opinion.”

It’s not that Smith regrets the move. But he clearly still doesn’t like how the situation was handled, even if it worked in his favor.

“He was a value pick,” Smith said about Manning. “He was a bar of gold.”

Smith turned that bar into a nice package of players, but that wouldn’t have mattered unless Rivers turned into one of the best quarterbacks of the league. We’d put him at the top of the list of best active quarterbacks without a title.

“I believe with my heart and soul that he one day will lead the Chargers to a world championship,” Smith said. “He’s a great quarterback—a phenomenal leader with great character, great work habits.”

We agree. Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title. Put him on the Steelers since 2004 and he’d have at least one title too.

Yup. Sounds like AJ had a real hard on for the guy......

You named one of Cousins flaws as having a "Matt Cassel arm."

Nothing about Cousins arm looks like Matt Cassel.

His ****ing wind up is practically identical. JFC how can you NOT see that?????

Are you kidding me????

Point me in the direction of a QB who throws the ball from his chest.

He does have to raise his elbow a little above the ball to get it out, which is a little winduppy but he has more than enough velocity for it to work.

:facepalm:

His throwing motion is wound up and elongated. FFS, look at the first pass he throws in that clip you posted, he even has the same damn leg lift on his follow through.

His mechanics are practically on par with Cassel's.

He bounces around in the pocket and does not look poised at all.

Matt Cassel throwing a 50ish yard TD pass.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...-39-yd-pass-TD

Please point out to me where the TD Cousins threw at :30 in the clip I posted looks anything even remotely close to this slow arching pos.

Cassel puts some good velocity on his windup passes as well.

The problem isn't the velocity. It's the release. That windup gives DB's more time to break on the ball.

It's a HUGE problem for Cassel and has been pointed out here a ton.

But all of a sudden it's ok for Cousins, because he's not Cassel?


:facepalm:

Cousins has more of a wind up than Cassel, but has a ton more arm strength.

Oh, are you talking about the play where your boy rolled right INTO the ****ing sack but was bailed out by his lineman? THAT play?

Not to mention the shit job he did on the play action. Dude didn't sell it worth shit, ala Cassel.

Cassels problem is really a combination of things.

He has the slow release/windup which allows dbs to break on the ball, he doesn't have the arm strength to get past that, and when he does muster up enough strength to get it there it isn't near accurate enough.

Add that with his poor vision and you have a recipe for suc......disaster.

How does one get bailed out by someone who didn't even touch the guy who was near the QB until he was 10 yards in the backfield?

Cassel doesn't have near the arm strength as Cousins. Cassel isn't accurate. Cassel can't read more than 1 route. Cassel didn't start at QB in college.

Just watched some of the practice, Rainey from FLA looks like a burner that could be developed...

The guard from Georgia looked good too...

Dude....he rolled right into it. Had he not received that block he would've been crushed. Must be that great awareness of his, right? FFS, even the commentators mention it.

If you cant even see THAT...then I really have nothing left to say to you anymore.

Your boy has his Warts. Deal with it.

Just because I point them out you have to get all defensive.....lol.


Do you see me over here getting all Anal because i may have been wrong about Lindley?

He has his warts, warts that I've acknowledged numerous times BEFORE, let me emphasis the BEFORE part again, BEFORE the senior bowl.

Yet you wanna try to throw that shit back in my face like it means something? ROFL.

What do you guys think of Mike Adams if he last to he second to play RT?

When did I ever say Cousins was perfect?

If he was he'd be going #1 instead of Luck.

I've simply said I'd like the Chiefs to go after Cousins because of 2 reasons.

1) The Chiefs aren't drafting a QB in the first round.
2) Cousins is not going to be drafted in the first round. He might not even be drafted on day 2.

The only thing you can come up with against him is "Cassel." Too bad anyone with credibility has said the opposite.

I like Cousins alot. Anyway he makes it to the 4 round?

He is in the group of QBs projected to go on the second day. But I doubt it.

If he keeps on impressing like he is he's going to be the Dalton/Kaepernick of 2012.

Both of those guys were in the 2nd day group but they emerged as the best out of the group and went early.

Developed into what?

Slot guy?

Something more than a track star... Don't get sensitive, I like the kid, just saying he needs work... His routes (other than go routes) looked mediocre, but he looks real good in 1 on 1's in thud drills..

You draft him and thank the draft Gods that he fell.

I'd JIMP at the chance to take Adams in the 2nd. Our O-line would be set for a long time, IMO.

Ohio State offensive tackle Mike Adams is a potential first-round pick but he is very inconsistent. He can look great and terrible in back-to-back plays. His first rep was a loss as Virginia defensive end Cam Johnson blew by him on a speed rush. Penn State defensive Jack Crawford did the same thing. Adams rebounded to get some wins including a rush that he stopped cold from Johnson. Adams is a more advanced run blocker than pass blocker entering the next level.


Just saw this on Walterfootball.

It sounds like the Browns are interested with one of their first round picks. Maybe maybe not.

Sounds like he would be a perfect RT. If he fell into the second even better. Would be good for the Browns to pair with Joe Thomas.

You're wrong. While he throws a better ball than Cassel, he does have a long delivery. Not only is that a problem with DB's jumping routes, but if the pocket collapses around him, he'll be less likely to get a quick pass off and if he tries, very likely a dlineman gets a strip from behind.

Other than that, Tox is right about his footwork too.

Stop being an idiot. Tenacity is not going to win you arguments, so stop trying. Detox never said he IS Cassel. Just pointed out that he has a very similar delivery. Longer, but a little more compact from top to bottom. Also quicker are speed when coming forward. Still though, he has that "shot put" delivery.

The guy is benefiting in these reports b/c everyone else around him sucks badly by comparison. He's not terrible, but he's not Dalton either. Hell, he's not even Stanzi.

I think we've got a RT...

I don't see the long delivery people are talking about with Cousins.

Rainey isn't a track star. Demps is and he's decided to focus on track instead of the NFL.

I'm not being sensitive, I was truly asking what you'd develop him into? Specifically for the Chiefs, I don't see a fit. He'd fill the exact role that McCluster occupies.

I thought your boy David Mims has that locked down. ;)

Next OC and QB?

Eh...

Shane P. Hallam @ShanePHallam Close
Jim Zorn complimented a throw from Kirk Cousins "nice touch" #seniorbowl #chiefs

Evan Silva @evansilva
From @caplannfl on #BoiseState QB Kellen Moore: "Reminds me of ... Tyler Palko."

LMAO

We're basically over here arguing about who is the better 4th round prospect. I was hoping Lindley would take the bull by the horns since he has a much more natural arm and throwing motion. He also keeps his feet under him when throwing darts.

But, by the sound of it, it seems that he's doing himself no favors. His accuracy has been all over the place this past season and he's apparently done nothing to fix that.

Outside of the top 2, and possibly Tannehill if you're on board that train, there is nothing exciting about this year's group of QB's.

They all have their flaws and they're pretty serious flaws.

Mims probably has that RT spot on lock down, so we can move on. I forgot about that.

What did Mims ever do to show he's a right tackle in the league?

Nothing.


He lives next door to me so I like to hope he will make something of himself.

Its highly unlikely.

Does anyone know what time NFL Network will be showing the practice today? Can I get a stream?

2012 Senior Bowl: Wednesday Rumor Mill

Sources have said the Kansas City Chiefs have emphasized studying the offensive linemen this week. The Chiefs had a big hole at right tackle this season. If they draft a natural left tackle, they could move Brandon Albert to the right side. If the value isn't there for the Chiefs to land a good left tackle in the first round, they could look to get a right tackle on the second day of the 2012 NFL Draft.

I don't think any of those guys actually watch the Chiefs.


Albert, IMO was very solid this yera.

they don't....

Albert as a RT?...that's saccofbats level dumb

People that bitch about Albert either don't know anything about football, or don't watch Albert play.

You are a tard.

Albert doesn't have the push or the redirect to play right tackle.

He's actually lucky that Herm and Carl drafted him to play left tackle because I think, at this point, he'd make a pretty shitty right tackle and I don't think he's got the base or strength to play inside at guard in the NFL.

He's a mid-level NFL left tackle at best.

At this point, he's okay on that side for the Chiefs. As long as he stays at where he performed in 2011.

...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore about how stupid people are when it comes to the Chiefs.

Yes. Lets draft a College LT, move a good NFL LT to RT and start the rookie at Left.

****ing brilliant! Brilliant I say! That makes WAAAY more sense then drafting the best, most natural RT available, and starting him at his natural position, doesn't it?

Doesn't it? Right??

hi hi
 

hi there, very interesting things :)

Good lord Cordy Glenn from Georgia looks good in these practices... haven't seen any of his tape but he looks DAMN good as a RT prospect

Yuk 3 picks one TD

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I was watching NFLN I think it was Wednesday morning when Mayock was talking about Glenn. I think he has a chance to be a very good RT based on what people are saying.

What do you guys think about Joe Adams or Maze as a later round wr project?

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Why do KC reporters not get to ask the question we all wanna know? It's like the Chiefs run the KC media like the Nazi's ran Germany. Everyone is scared of Pioli.


Bring back Whitlock.

The organization sucks. They're never get an answer anyways.

I was unable to watch this.

Did anyone watch it? How did the QBs look?

Anyone have their stats?

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=320283144

I didn't get to watch it either but from the sounds of the thread in the Lounge, everyone but Foles and Cousins were trash.

Personally, I care more about the practices. There's too much chaos in the actual game for anyone to get any kind of rhythm.

Take Adams all day long.

The QBs were... spotty.

Kellen Moore and Ryan Lindley looked pretty stinking bad.

Weeden and Kirk Cousins looked pretty good. Weeden threw an atrocious interception, but otherwise he and Cousins looked like they were able to read the defense and make multiple reads. I'd give the MVP to Cousins.

Foles was... disappointing. I think it's possible it just takes him longer to adjust to brand new teammates than his QB brethren. He threw a solid touchdown to his Arizona teammate, so maybe he just gets better when he's more familiar, whereas guys like Weeden and Cousins take to new surroundings like a duck to water.

Quentin Coples is a man among children.

I finally saw Alameda Ta'amu as a true nose tackle. He looked great -- I don't have the acumen to identify if he's more of a one-gapper or two-gapper, but he's got the size for two-gap football.

Isaiah Pead and Vick Ballard were, by far, the most impressive runners. Ganaway from Baylor was shit.

One other QB... the kid from Wisconsin looked really good. But he's just too limited. He's a backup prospect, maybe a 6th or 7th rounder.

Lindley looked like ass and Foles looked like a 3yr. project. Weeden looked like he might be able to transition, but is old of course. Kellen Moore and Kirk Cousins looked like the best QB's on the field.

Basically, stats aside, eyeball test only, I'd probably rank them(by tiers, players in this game only):

Tier 1:
Cousins
Moore
Weeden

Tier 2:
Foles

Tier 3:
Wilson
Lindley

Foles lost a LOT of points with me b/c he couldn't get into any rhythm with any non Arizona receiver. He completed some short passes to other receivers and runningbacks, but when he missed a couple receivers, he went to Criner, and only Criner. Even looked for him all day on one play, until pressure was in his face and tried to hit another guy quick only to have it fall incomplete.

I really didn't like that about him. Moore's STATS look like shit, but both McNutt and Posey dropped a TD pass on consecutive plays for him along with a few other drops and he actually went deep once in a while. I actually came away feeling a lot better about Moore. Seems like he really has the head for the game and his only real big flaw has been his arm.

Wilson did not look good. He looked like ****ing Tim Tebow out there.

This.

Both of the Adams (Joe and Mike) looked great in this game. I would be happy if either one became a Chief.

To me, there was a shit load of "meh" in comparison to other years. There wasn't a truly standout player outside of Coples.

I thought there was a lot of good O and D line play. No lbers or dbacks really stood out to me. Wr's and QB's were meh like you said. I did like some of the RB play though.

Alameda Ta'amu, quasi redeemed himself but that Baylor performance is still giving me a hesitation to give a full fledged endorsement in the first two maybe three rounds in selecting him. Its still my belief because Crennel is HC now that KC will pick a NT in either 1st or second round if they don't go for a starting caliber NT in FA.

I thought Pead looked like the best rb there along with the dude form Boise.

I wasn't overly impressed with any qb, but came away thinking Cousins is an interesting pick.

Mike Adams would immediately upgrade the RT spot immensely and Joe Adams would be a perfect slot and return guy.

Pretty much this. Though I think Weeden looked the most polished.

I'm beginning to wonder just how risk adverse Pioli really is -
1) Keeps his boy Cassell
2) Signs Orton because he did show ability and he has to accept the fact that Cassell will keep sucking
3) Drafts Weeden since he is the "safest" and mature choice of these remaining QB's -despite his age coming into the NFL

Could there be a more "safe" approach to this year's off season?

If he is available anywhere from the 3rd round on, take Criner the WR from AZ. The kid was able to get separation consistently and had good hands. He was always open.

From Tony Pauline at SCI.COM


The scouts and coaches left Mobile, Ala., on Thursday. The fans and campers headed home Saturday night after the North dominated the South 23-13 in the 2012 Senior Bowl. Several of the prospects we mentioned during the practices stood out during the contest, while a few who were quiet during the week also had nice performances. Here are the risers and sliders from the annual showcase for senior NFL prospects.
Risers
Isaiah Pead/RB/Cincinnati: At the start of Wednesday's practice it was mentioned how good Pead looked returning punts during special teams drills. Pead translated those skills from the practice field onto the game field and was named MVP of the Senior Bowl. Pead returned two punts for 60 and 38 yards, for an average of 49 yards. Pead looked like a veteran bringing the punts back, as he did a terrific job setting up his returns on both occasions. On offense he also had several nice runs, bursting through the open lanes and making defenders miss in the open field. Pead's solid week of practice coupled with the special teams skill showed during the game undoubtedly boosted his draft stock.
Kirk Cousins/QB/Michigan State: Cousins completed 5 of 11 passes for 115 yards, yet the stats tell a fraction of the story. Cousins made all the NFL throws from the pocket, displaying great speed on the ball while also putting touch on passes when required. His timing and accuracy was right on the mark as Cousins always gave his targets a good opportunity to make the reception. When he did miss on throws more times than not it was due to receiver error. It was important for Cousins to have a good game, as scouts questioned his judgment under center. At the Senior Bowl, decision-making was right on the money.
Mike Adams/T/Ohio State: During the week the consensus of scouts was the South squad had the best defensive ends of either roster. Adams was able to shut them down all game. On several occasions he stopped pass-rushing terrors Courtney Upshaw and Melvin Ingram dead in their tracks. Upshaw eventually sacked the passer, though the fault was not placed on Adams shoulders. His ability to stop quick, explosive pass-rushers in the game will give scouts even more to think about when they decide where in Round 1 one the talented tackle should be selected.
Alameda Ta'amu/DT/Washington: If scouts were hoping to be wowed by Ta'amu, all they need to due is watch the Senior Bowl game film. The big defensive tackle was dominant every time he lined up and was a constant nuisance for opponents. He collapsed the pocket on several occasions, overpowering opponents to make plays behind the line of scrimmage or force the action. His quarterback pressure at the end of the first half ended what looked to be a potential scoring drive for the South. In the second half the South was forced to double team Ta'amu in the attempt to slow him down.
Quinton Coples/DL/North Carolina: Coples flashed brilliance during the game, looking like a man among boys at times. His athleticism is incredible, as Coples beat opponents with quickness, speed and power. On several occasions he had Kelechi Osemele flailing in an attempt to slow him down. When he could not get to the quarterback, Coples got his long arms up to swat away passes. When he's on his game Coples is a difference-maker up front. The problem for scouts is determining how often Coples is willing to play at his highest level.
Mitchell Schwartz/T/California: Schwartz was the only offensive tackle to consistently shut down Coples during the game. He used great fundamentals and football smarts to keep the dominant defensive lineman at bay whenever they faced off. That's something scouts will take into consideration when they give Schwartz a final draft grade.
Vinny Curry/DE/Marshall: Curry continues to impress scouts with his ability to get penetration across the line of scrimmage. He was constantly in the backfield and his quarterback pressures in the first quarter caused a lot of problems for the South. On one occasion Curry bull rushed the much larger Zebrie Sanders into the pocket which resulted in a loss of yardage. Curry has significantly improved his draft stock this week and a good combine workout could secure him a spot in the late part of Round 1.
Doug Martin/RB/Boise State: Martin had several nice runs during the game, but its the little things he did well that made him stand out. In the first quarter Martin did a terrific job picking up pass protection assignments and knocked Melvin Ingram from the action on one occasion. Later in the half his downfield block allowed Arizona State receiver Gerrell Robinson to waltz into the end zone. Even before the game scouts stamped Martin as an early second-round choice.
Nigel Bradham/OLB/Florida State: Bradham was fast and athletic all game long, running down opponents from all directions of the field. He was terrific in pursuit and Bradham made several outstanding plays in open space. Bradham showed skill in pass defense and was on top of his game covering tight ends and running backs.
Sliders
Russell Wilson/QB/Wisconsin: Wilson was terrific when he lined up in the shotgun and was able to move outside the pocket and throw on the move. When he was asked to play in an NFL style offense it was a completely different story. From the pocket Wilson sprayed his passes around the field and missed an easy scoring opportunity early in the game when his throw was wide of the mark. He showed little in the way of pocket presence or the ability to sense the rush. Wilson is a tremendous athlete, but he needs a lot of work before he'll be an NFL-ready passer.
Donnie Fletcher/CB/Boston College: Fletcher was picked on most of the night and was constantly chasing receivers around the field. Opponents were getting behind Fletcher and he was giving up easy passes in underneath coverage. He also missed a big tackle on a screen pass which resulted in a long gain for the south.
Zebrie Sanders/T/Florida State: Sanders' tough week of practice continued through the game. He was constantly off balance, rarely moved opponents off the ball run blocking and was pushed back into the pocket on several occasions. Sanders also displayed poor footwork in pass protection and little ability to slide out and protect the edge.

this whole draft feels that way compared to last year....

This draft has a bit of an '09 feel to it. Not as bad as 09, but not as loaded as '10 & '11 IMO

He showed his transition will be tough though. Both of his INT's were to LBer's underneath weren't they? Usually a problem for spread type QB's.