I've got the hopes that the reason they have not offered Orton a contract is because we really are going to try to get a QB in the draft.

I am not saying that isn't the reason...but there haven't been THAT many FA signings thus far either...

MAYBE 1 or 2 per team.

I would expect them to get Bowe and Carr locked up before proceeding to Orton, if that is who they are targeting.

I think Romeo really wants Orton. Hopefully we get him.


I think he could become a Gannon type thing, if put in the right situation.

I would like Orton over Cassle too, but if we sign Orton now, we will not have room for a draft QB.

I just can't imagine ANY kind of scenario where Orton would want to sign with the Chiefs if Cassel is on the roster. Unless the Chiefs are willing to overpay him to a long, guaranteed contract, which means that: 1) we're committing a shitload of money to two QBs who probably aren't the answer; 2) we hurt our ability to develop a QB in the next 3 years.

The path is simple. Trade Cassel. Sign Orton. Draft a QB in the next 3 years, hopefully sooner rather than later. At least... it SHOULD be this simple.

This. Also because it means that Cassel will easily win the "competition" at QB. Sign Orton and Pioli's " hand-picked-for-a-2nd-round-draft-pick" QB LOSES the battle hands down, before he can be replaced by QB drafted by Pioli.

Been coming across a handful of articles favoring the Orton to Washington move...here is one of them.

I really hope we sign him as he seems to be the most realistic upgrade at the moment...



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...el1Q_blog.html

Posted at 01:24 PM ET, 02/09/2012
Why signing Kyle Orton would make sense for the Redskins
By Mike Jones
It definitely wouldn’t make the headline splash of bringing Peyton Manning to town, but the Washington Redskins might be better off going after Kyle Orton as they look for a solution to the quarterback position.

Not much is better than a healthy Peyton Manning, but at this point, no one knows whether Manning can regain his health, whether he even will be available, and whether he even wants to come to Washington.

Landing Orton involves less risk and could ensure better continuity for a number of reasons, however.

Don’t get me wrong, Orton is no franchise quarterback. A seven-year veteran, Orton has played a full season only once in his career, and twice he played 15 games. But the Purdue product is a solid quarterback who limits his mistakes and has the ability to keep a team in the game.

The Redskins still need to draft a quarterback — whether they trade up for Robert Griffin III or take someone like Ryan Tannehill in the second round — and Orton would make a better bridge than Rex Grossman.

Grossman had the respect of his Redskins teammates and coaches because he’s fearless, hangs tough and fires the ball downfield even though he knows a big hit is coming, and because he puts receivers in position to make plays. But he doesn’t have a conscience, makes poor decisions and too often keeps opponents in the games as well.

So the Redskins most likely have gotten as far as they can with Grossman. An outside chance remains that he would return, but it won’t shock anyone if Mike Shanahan & Co. opt to go in another direction.

When it comes to ability, Orton isn’t all that different from Grossman and is actually a little better.

In 54 NFL games, Grossman has completed 55.2 percent of his passes for 10,232 yards (189.5 ypg). He has thrown 56 touchdowns and 60 interceptions. He owns a career passer rating of 71.4.

Orton has played in 71 games and is a 58.3-percent passer. He has thrown for 14,532 yards (204.7 ypg) and 80 touchdowns, with 57 interceptions, and has a 79.4 passer rating.

That touchdown-to-interception column is the difference.

The Redskins would be able to bring in Orton, coach him up, plug him into the system and basically keep the system intact. The acquisition of Manning would require all sorts of modifications.

Orton likely would be cheaper than Manning, as well. He had a base salary of $4.5 million last year, and probably would come at a similar price. That contract could include escalators that could increase it to $8 million to $9 million depending on how much he plays and how well he does.

Mike Shanahan has said repeatedly that getting a quarterback won’t solve everything. He has added that the key to helping a young quarterback — or any passer, for that matter — is assembling a strong supporting cast.

Signing Orton to a modest deal could still allow the Redskins to meet other needs. They need a big-play receiver, and the top two on the market, San Diego’s Vincent Jackson and Indianapolis’ Pierre Garcon, won’t come cheap. Washington also needs a right tackle, could need a left guard, and on defense must re-sign London Fletcher and address the safety and nickel back positions.

The Redskins, entering Shanahan’s third season, could get a solid veteran in Orton and remain competitive while, at the same time, grooming a rookie who could take the keys in another year or so.

We just signed Orton.

?

Nut hooks?

Nah just playing.

que es esto?

Bannable.

I don't know why people think this is a good option for Shanahan. Shanahan likes a QB that can move around. Orton is a statue in the pocket. If there was ever a perfect fit for him to use as a stopgap, hell, trading a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Cassel will get that done for him a lot better.

This.

I think Vince Young would be perfect for the Shanny offense.

Dude, you're a good poster, but cmon man you know better than that. You'd have been banned if you had said they cut Cassel.

I knew Tomahawk was trolling around in this thread, just wanted to get a rise out of him.


By bad though.

How was I trolling this thread?

Trolling around was a bad use of words.

I knew you were reading this thread, just giving you a jilt

Sorry, was playing a joke on ya. My fault apologies in order.

If somebody manages to make it seem legit that Matt was cut and it turns out it was a joke, I don't think banning is bad enough. Physical harm should come to them.

abORTON?

Orton, Campbell forgotten men among free agent quarterbacks
 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-quarterbacks/

Orton, Campbell forgotten men among free agent quarterbacks

The Peyton Manning story will be a daily soap opera for most of the offseason. Matt Flynn is this year’s Kevin Kolb. Drew Brees and Alex Smith aren’t going anywhere.

After those four men, there hasn’t been a lot of talk about free agent quarterbacks.

We’d argue that two players — Kyle Orton and Jason Campbell — would be better options than Flynn all money considered.

Are Orton and Campbell ever going to be top-10 quarterbacks?

Probably not, but the same holds true for Flynn. Orton and Campbell can perform at a competent level for a cheap price and win games if they have the right team around them. Teams like Washington, Miami, Cleveland, and even Jacksonville have to think about adding a veteran like them to the mix. Only one team gets Manning.

After Orton and Campbell, there are some wild cards. Chad Henne, Vince Young, Josh Johnson, and David Garrard should all get work.

We predicted where Manning, Flynn, and the two Rodney Dangerfields of this free agent class would end up on NBC SportsTalk.

Would Pioli be pressing to get two draft picks for trading Orton?

Oh ****, not this shit again.

He is a free agent dumbass. He can go where the hell he wants.

Josh Looney ‏ @JoshLooney
Pioli: "We've talked with Kyle's people." #Chiefs going to continue trying to make something work with re-signing Kyle Orton.

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft
Pioli said the team wants Kyle Orton back and he seems to want to come back.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/2...as-city-chiefs

Door Is Still Open On Kyle Orton Coming Back To Chiefs
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Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli had a number of interesting things to say at his 2012 NFL Combine press conference. The trio of ACL tears -- Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki and Eric Berry -- should be ready to roll by next season. The Chiefs don't want to let Dwayne Bowe get away in free agency. The signing of Stanford Routt doesn't rule out Brandon Carr.

And then this: the Chiefs want to re-sign Kyle Orton and it sounds like, Pioli said, Orton would like to return as well. Big difference between wanting something to happen and actually getting it done but interesting stuff nonetheless.

To be fair to the Chiefs, they've been consistent in saying they wanted to try and bring Orton back. Romeo Crennel said the same thing as his season-ending press conference.

We just didn't think Orton would want to return to Kansas City if Matt Cassel is the starting quarterback. There have been rumors connecting Orton to the Washington Redskins but they could be just that -- rumors.

So maybe the Chiefs quarterback competition has been right in front of us this whole time -- Cassel vs. Orton?

So what do we draft if we roll with Orton?

Trent Richardson :)

I guess so.


I'm starting to warm up to the RT pick, but if Richardson is there I'd take him.

Takers?

BPA.

Sensiblechiefsfan does

I want better.

But he's better than Cassel.

Thats enough to tide me over for now, if it comes to that.

This. We aren't drafting a qb this year and Orton is much better than Casshole.

Yep, Pioli isnt going to stick his neck out on a gamble like Manning & things just dont add up for drafting a stud.

I'll just hope for a career year from Orton, its certainly possible, he's presumably going to have some killer weapons to work with.

Until KC signs or doesn't sign Soliai, I'm sticking with the coin flip of Poe or Richardson.

Sign Soliai and Orton, draft Richardson.


I coudl get on board with that.

1. He had more than a fair shake in Denver homey. He was handed the job by Fox after McD left and he had his favorite WR in Lloyd too. Lloyd wasn't traded until after Orton was released. So he had Lloyd, D. Thomas, Royal and Decker. So your making crap up when you say "They shipped out his best receivers." Gonna call a big steaming pile of BS on that one.

2. What are you talking about? What "replacement receivers"? D. Thomas had some injuries but Orton still had Lloyd, Royal and Decker. The only WR that was not on the team from the previous year was Gaffney. Otherwise same group of WRs.

3. Broncos fans said the same thing "Orton is better than everyone thinks, he doesn't get much credit, blah, blah, blah." Fact is, Orton stunk up the place and the Broncos were 1-4 with him starting. The Broncos even had a decent running game with McGahee.

4. Orton got a fat contract with the Broncos and he stunk. The only thing he's looking for is a big contract so he "may" be motivated to play for that reason.

Dude, we already have Barry Richardson (and Mark Castle). What else do we need?

<sarcasm sent>

Yeah. Maybe signing Orton within the next couple weeks, then trading him before the draft isn't possible.

Dipshit.

Well....?

The Orton Yugo will be picking up steam shortly me thinks.

Gimme Orton and and Trent Richardson.

Let's go!

I'll get on board with that.


Maybe we can get him for a visit?

No thanks. I'd rather keep Cassel so we can speed up the process of Pioli being fired and Clark losing money.

AbOrton can die in a ****ing aids tree...

Just say no to Trash...

Orton. Orton? Kyle Orton. ****ing Orton. Kyle ****ing Orton. I'm through with this shit.

I'm OK with Orton. I'm not OK with Cassel.

I'd rather inject myself with aids than have Orton.

If Cassel is AIDS, Orton is HIV.

Orton is the next best option now that Griffin and Manning our out. Sad but true. Unless you dickfores want Cassel to trout out under center next year?

Cassel will not be the starter no worry.

I can see Richardson going to the Browns now that RGIII is out of the picture in Cleveland.

Stanzi has potential to be better than both either Casshole or Orton. I'm not saying he is our savior or anything but he has the ability to take over and play good for us provided he gets the opportunity. **** both Casshole & Orton. Let's see what the hell Stanzi can bring and in the mean time watch the QB class for next years draft.

Well we know Cassel can't play and I would hate to put all our eggs in one basket and just hope Stanzi can play. At least we know Orton can be "serviceable" while we actually find a QB that can play. God the scenario I just typed out sounds so ****ing pathetic.

I would rather the Chiefs go with Stanzi then with Orton. Orton may have won 2 0f 3 games with the Chiefs last year but he wasn't all that impressive. Signing Orton just to replace Cassel is just going to shift the Cassel hate to Orton hate once he gets the job and doesn't do much with it.

I'd rather hate a reasonably prices Orton than a Matt Cassel.

Stanzi doesn't have to have the pressure of winning, just getting better as the season progresses. Orton is going hold us back from discovering what the kid has good or bad. We can win games with Orton & we can win sucky games with Casshole with the team we have. That's what sucks about them both is that they will never get us to the next level in the playoffs or beyond. We can't say Stanzi is or isn't the guy for that just because he hasn't had the opportunity to play and get better at it during a season. He may throw shit load of INTs, but as long as he is learning and getting better each week that's what matters.

My thoughts have pretty much been covered by others already. I'd rather risk an awful season for the chance at a very good team than have one that's almost sure to be "just good". Stanzi > Orton

Would Shane Falco have played any better if Lou Gossett, Jr. played his coach?

Two Words

Carson Palmer... Tell me you wouldn't like to have him in KC

Ya it's nice padding our defensive backs stats

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Your funny dude. Enjoy your draft picks there buddy, or lack there of them.

And be 25 Million over the cap? no thnx.

LIAR! You are just jealous because nobody wants to play in KC.... Hell Orton is gonna dump you now, How bad is it when Orton wants to get the hell out

I think we are actually under the cap now or damn close to it

http://www.footballnewsnow.com/wp-co..._cassel_sm.jpg

I will never let you down Chiefs - Love Matt

Nope. He's better than Cassel and the Chiefs CAN win with him.

FYP

Orton? Why? You like 9-7 perpetually?

like 10 years ago.

Stanzi is only better than Orton around here because of where he went to school...

Better sign a CB. Who are your CBs now?

Me and this other fat dude

Way to set the bar really high.

I am gonna go ahead and call it for next year

Manning < CARSON

Today.