You are talking to some guys that would take Tebow over any QB in the game here...

KnowMo is welching on his bet.

Water is wet.

The guy is a puke.

KnowMo has sinned.

He must say 40 **** Denvers and 20 Hail Tambas

Hail Tamba!!!

The Chiefs will get Peyton far before the Donks

That was an excellent point.

A few things....

Correct, I'm not 100% sold on TT, but I do think they can add a few guys at TE, RB and be very effective. Say what you will about TT, and you have - but, I'm interested in seeing what happens with them planning the season with him as the starter and building up some of the skill areas around him. Plus, the Defense has some serious age issues.

Adding Peyton Manning does not = instant Super Bowl.

I don't want Denver to pursue Manning, and I really doubt they do- read the articles today on the Denver Post - good tidbits in there.

Manning is a 2 year option and I'm not interested in chasing a 2 year option and then starting over. I'd rather see if they can make TT work and go from there. If I'm going to watch my team spin their wheels for 2 years, I'd like to see it happen with a 24 year old QB that has upside, rather than a 36 year old guy that needs to be replaced in 2 years.

I also fear Manning's health - one bad hit and the dude is sipping food from a straw for the rest of his life.

Vic Lombardi isn't a fraud. He has talked to people from the Broncos, not Peyton Manning.

https://twitter.com/#!/BroncoTalk/st...57212712771584

https://twitter.com/#!/BroncoTalk/st...73730632695808

https://twitter.com/#!/BroncoTalk/st...73357247381504

Shefter is a Bronco homer.

Exactly. Plus does manning want to work for Elway who clearly doesnt know how to run a FO?

Of course ESPN is going to push the Broncos so they can push the Tebow angle yet again.

They did it with the Jets too when any with a brain can see he isn't going there.

He chose the defensive rookie of the year last year when everybody was saying, "You HAVE to draft a defensive tackle"

He also signed key free agents like Willis McGahee (made the Pro Bowl) and Broderick Bunkley. I'd say horseface did an admiral job his first year in Donkeyland.

EDIT: His prized FA acquisition last year was Ty Warren and he didn't even see the field last year, he will be back this year.

Why would Manning want to play with the comparative turds on Denver's offense when he can go to KC?

Demaryius ****ing Thomas and Eric ****ing Decker? Get the **** out.

JT SUPASTAR is enough to turn the tide. The Broncos super, duper secret weapon that they are saving for Peyton :):):):):):)

DT and Decker are about to hit the primes of their career, and again, with Manning comes Reggie Wayne.

Wayne, Thomas, Decker, Royal, and Matt Willis would be the best WR group in the league IMHO.

They can make all the push they want, but Manning wont like the weather in Dungver, he won't like the lack of a receiving corps in Dungver, and he wont like Teabag sitting there behind him. Plus, what are they gonna have two totally different offenses they teach each week in case Manning gets injured? No way.

wait ... aren't you a Chiefs fan?? :hmmm:

Serious question

Did you eat paint chips as a child?

Broncos run game that is supposedly awesome took a huge bump by Tebow. Also their WR's suck

Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin and Wayne with Moeaki at TE and Charles at RB would be rediculous. Plus, Royal is a free agaent and probably goes elsewhere if they did bring in Wayne. You are high

I'm just speaking objectively here.

Denver's run game was shit before they had an extra back behind center.

You are overlooking the work environment though. KC is viewed around the league as a terrible place to play because of Pioli. On the other hand, Donkeyland is considered an enjoyable place to be because of the atmosphere John Fox has built at Dove Valley.

Having 3 coaches on the staff who are HC'ing material doesn't hurt either with Fox, Del Rio, and McCoy.

careful ... you walk a fine line, my young padawan.

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Says who? Haley? What major FA turned us down because of KC/Pioli enviroment? HAs much as we get angry at Pioli (becasue of cassel), he did win Exec of the year. Theres a reason NFL people chose him, and fans like you and I arent really privy to those reasons.

I'm not reading 100+ replies. I just want to ask why get Manning with you already have your franchise QB in Tebow?

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Horsface hasn't been too boisterous when talking about Tebow. He has always said that he thinks he has all the intangibles but he has a lot of work to do. Putting Tebow in the QB room with Manning for a couple years certainly wouldn't hurt Tebow's long-term future.

His agency, the same one that represents Manning, might not dig it.

WHAT?

Fox and Del Rio are/were 2 of the shittiest head coaches in the league.

Isn't Cassel a CAA client as well?

Not according to the report I saw, but I'll look for it.

EDIT: Found it:
CAA factor looms over Peyton’s next destination
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2012, 2:33 PM EST

ReutersNot long before Wednesday’s PFT Live, a league insider with a good understanding of how business gets transacted pointed out a dynamic that, in hindsight, I’m a little embarrassed I didn’t think of myself.

When picking the next place where Peyton Manning will play, a potentially significant factor arises not from Peyton’s preferences or priorities but from the stable of clients represented by CAA, the agency that represents Manning.

CAA handles many athletes and coaches. (The mega-firm even represents some NFL reporters who, coincidentally, know a thing or two about CAA’s football clients.) And CAA will naturally be inclined to steer Peyton away from teams where another CAA client currently serves as the starting quarterback.

For starter, consider the 49ers. Alex Smith is the quarterback. He apparently wants to stay. The 49ers apparently want to keep him. There’s no evidence of a strong demand for his services on the open market.

And he’s represented by CAA.

So even if it makes sense for the 49ers to make a play for Manning, CAA won’t want to see that happen, if the end result is one less CAA client serving as an NFL starting quarterback.

Ditto for the Denver Broncos. When Jimmy Sexton joined CAA last year, he brought Tim Tebow with him. If the Broncos were to add Manning, Tebow would be bumped to the bench, or worse.

So forget about Manning becoming a Bronco.

CAA represents other starters whose teams likely aren’t thinking about making a change, including Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan, Rams quarterback Sam Bradford, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers, and Lions quarterback Matt Stafford. Beyond that, there are some possible (not likely, but possible) destinations that complicate the careers of other CAA clients.

Buffalo? Ryan Fitzpatrick is another Sexton guy.

Cowboys? Tony Romo is represented by Ken Kremer of CAA.

Jaguars? Blaine Gabbert is a CAA client.

Vikings? Sexton has Christian Ponder.

Bucs? Kremer has Josh Freeman.

Of course, Peyton Manning can be a lot more persuasive and/or insistent than most clients. If he wants to go to San Francisco, he’s going to San Francisco, regardless of what it means for Alex Smith.

Still, the agent serves as the first point of contact, and the agent has plenty of control over who gets a seat at the table. Though it’s hardly the main factor, it’s definitely one of the various things that will go into the broader decision as to where Manning will play in 2012 and beyond.

That appeared in one early report but his name hasn't appeared in any of the more detailed reports that came later.

Jason Cole is on Parkins show saying Weather is the reason kc is below teams like Denver, Miami etc.

****ing stupid, weather, really...

Ok, I see how weather is a factor between Miami and KC.

But Denver? Really?

"Denvers not as bad as kc" was his remark. think im going to unfollow the clown on twitter for this rationale.

That is bs. Denver gets waaaay more snow that kc, is generally colder much earlier too.

ROFLMAO

Because Denver is such a great warm weather destination. I wonder how some of these dumb asses are allowed to talk.

Exactly, and he is a FOOTBALL player. The weather arguement is a crock of shit spewed by a bunch of pundits sitting in a cozy warm studio.

This is the first time i've heard Jason Cole speak, i've randomly read tweets but he sounds like a dumbass.

Can you imagine if and when Aaron Rodgers becomes a FA they say he will only choose a team if they play outside in freezing ass weather?? Come on now...

Right. Because it's like ****ing 65 in KC right now and snowing in ****ing Denver.

He's reeruned.

JFC.


I wonder how some of these guys survive throughout a full day.

As a football fan, I could make the case as to why Miami, KC or Denver (just using AFC examples) would be ideal locations.

I'm also going into this with the thinking that the team signing Manning also makes an aggressive play to get Wayne as well.

However...

I would view KC and Miami as 1a and 1b - in either order. Both have nice young defenses. Both have 'young talent' at both RB/WR.

Miami has great weather - KC cannot say the same.

Miami has a new HC with an offensive background and may or may not be interested in his first run at HC being tied to Manning for 2-3 years, possible change in philosophy, etc.

KC has a defensive minded coach (see Indy with Dungy) and RC may be more flexible in letting Manning and the OC do whatever it is that Manning wants to do. I don't know that Miami would be as flexible.

I think Miami has more proven and consistently explosive playmakers across the board (RB, WR, TE) than KC or Denver - as a whole.

It comes down to division really ... Manning in Miami does not make Miami and instant clear #1 to win the AFCE. Manning in KC (or even Denver) makes that team an instant and clear #1 to win the AFCW.

I don't see Fox being as eager to change his philosophy as someone like RC or Philbin, we have nothing to judge that guy on as a HC.

Could Manning in either of the 3 work? Sure, but I'd put Denver third on that list as an ideal location.

I think KC would be first on the list - purely based on the divisional aspect of it, that (to me) would override the location factor with Miami.

Just my $.02

... and in no way am I suggesting that Denver has nothing to offer. I look at it like this. Manning gives your team a 2-3 year window to go "Superbowl or Bust". Whether it's TT or Manning - Denver has upgrade needs at RB, TE and another WR to replace Royal.

Personally, I believe I would rather see the 2-3 year experiment with what TT and a revised team can do, rather than go the Manning route and then basically start this all over again in a couple of years thanks to Manning's age. And, I honestly just don't like the injury concern.

This is the best Peyton post I have seen yet. Nice work!

Seriously, great post

:D I do what I can ... and by no means am I interested in Peyton/Wayne going to KC. As a Broncos' fan, I'm seriously not interested in that happening.

As a side note, you guys have suffered through a lot of crappy years and - as a fan and being able to see my team go through those late 90s years - you guys have earned the right to experience the same thing. Obviously, I hope it never happens... but, I'd be happy for you guys when it did.

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sounds bout right .. its a SB or bust for any team signing him .....

Funny... on the Denver Post site, they have a simple poll - go for Peyton or stay the course with TT.

Nearly 6,800 people have voted (not scientific by any means) and 58% say go for Manning. :shake:

One problem with uyour post Mile HIgh. Explain how the Phins have more explosive playmakers?

Reggie Bush, Daniel Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Davone Bess, Hartline, Fasano

Charles, Battle, McCluster (?), Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Moeaki

I don't know how the FA's play out for either, but if memory serves these are the main playmakers, no?

Gimme Miami.

ROFL What a joke. Yeah, that Daniel Thomas, he reeeeal explosive. Davone Bess, Hartline, what's your fascination with second tier receivers. Oh, that's right, that's all your team has.

our 6 are way better then those 6

No way.

right now I'd give the RB nod to Miami only because we don't know who will be complementing Charles. Bush + Thomas has more potential than Charles + Battle.

But the WR's?

No ****ing way.

Bess? Hartline?

GTFO....

Ok, so show me the production that proves me wrong. Or, are you basing it on 'upside'. You can mock it all you like, but that doesn't mean you're correct.

Hartline = who?

That may be true, but the true one's backers will be more vocal and cause a huge problem if he is replaced. Denver is in the market to try to get the Chiefs out of the market.

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Same could be said for Baldwin... Breaston, well there are 40 of him scattered across the NFL.

Marshall > Bowe ... not by much, but overall he is a more dominant player. Bess is > than anyone else on KC's roster.

Wow, you're dumb. You shouldn't be listened to about anything after saying something so stupid.

It gets heavier snow falls. But on average, winters are generally milder than KC. Hell most days are in the 40's and 50's.

Tim Tebow’s presence hinders Broncos’ chances at Peyton Manning

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http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/tebow-fan.jpg Would Peyton Manning want to be surrounded by Tebowmania? It doesn't seem likely. (Kellen Micah/ICON SMI)

Peyton Manning, when healthy, is a better quarterback than Tim Tebow. That is an indisputable truth, one that no one — not even Tebow’s biggest fans — could possibly argue against. So it should come as no surprise that all indications are the Broncos will kick the tires on Manning as the QB hits free agency.

Even at the risk of making the team’s slightly awkward marriage with Tebow even more convoluted, Pat Bowlen, John Elway and the rest of the Broncos brass owe it to the franchise to see if Manning, for some reason,
would make Denver his next stop.

The guess here? No chance Manning actually winds up a Bronco.

Denver has emerged as a dark-horse choice to land Manning, but this does not feel like the type of situation the long-time Colts quarterback would want to end his career in. Manning has not tipped his hand much, but two factors are believed to be driving his thoughts: 1. He wants to play for a contender; 2. He’d like to find a home that’s as drama-free as possible.
The latter issue is why many pundits are scratching the Redskins (same division as Eli Manning) and Jets (same city as Eli) off the list. There’s even been some word that Peyton would like to avoid the NFC altogether, so he and his brother don’t have to battle for a Super Bowl berth.
The Broncos, as an AFC team, won’t stand in the way of a Giants playoff berth … but a drama-free franchise? Hardly.

Denver turned into the center of the football universe during the 2011 season, as its Tebow-fueled turnaround captured fans’ imaginations and crossed the line into overkill in media coverage. Now, let’s just think for a second what would have to happen for Manning to take over as the Broncos’ quarterback.

First and foremost, the Broncos would have to bench or trade Tebow. It’s amazing to think about, given Manning’s track record, but in either scenario, given how crazy Denver fans are for Tebow, Manning would be held up in comparison to what Tebow did as a starter.

Say Manning steps in, looks to be at a little less than 100 percent and opens 3-3. There would be, without question, calls for the Broncos to pull the trigger and get Tebow back into the lineup.
Just recently, at the NFL combine, Elway said: “We’re hoping that [Tebow]’s going to be the guy for a long, long time.” For all his naysayers and critics, Tebow went 8-5 as a starter last year, with a playoff win over Pittsburgh in the mix.

Manning doesn’t need, want or deserve that kind of scrutiny.
Heaven forbid Denver try to pull Manning in favor of a Tebow-friendly short-yardage package at some point. Suffice it to say, that would not sit well with Manning.

Lest you think Manning would be able to put up with all that for a shot at a championship, it’s worth pointing out that the Broncos may be more than a veteran quarterback away from winning it all.

This team was more of the overachieving sort in 2011 than dominant. Even if the Broncos somehow landed Manning, it would take some substantial upgrades at several spots — safety, cornerback and wide receiver, to name a few — for them to be considered one of the AFC favorites.

Could Denver bridge all those gaps? Would the team, even with a projected boatload of money to spend in free agency, be willing to use it?
Those questions pale in comparison, though, to the issue of how Manning and Tebow would coexist. Given all the hubbub surrounding his rehab and release from Indianapolis, Manning will be hard-pressed to find a situation quite like what he had with the Colts. That said, he would still like to find some relative peace and quiet on a team with a chance to win the Super Bowl.

We can talk about the Broncos’ roster deficiencies all we want — and even if the Broncos added Manning’s favorite receiver, free agent Reggie Wayne, to go with Demaryius Thomas, they would need another weapon or two — but the simple fact is that Tebow’s presence makes the Manning-to-Denver possibility a far-fetched one.

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Well, show me the error of my ways. How are either Breaston or Baldwin better than Bess at this point. I the very very least, they're equal which does nothing to tilt the favor to KC. You can only look at production, not upside.

Why wouldn't you want to go for Manning? He's a ****ton better than Tebow and you've got this complete idiot down in Jacksonville that has a hard on for Tebow.

I've addressed it a few times... (look it up).

Now, if the JAX owner were going to offer up something insanely too good to pass up, then go for it.

I just don't want to take the risk. Either way - there are pieces to be added with either QB as the starter. One has a serious injury risk, the other does not.

Signing Peyton Manning doesn't mean instant anything - other than, SuperBowl or Bust expectations within 2 years. Somewhat unrealistic to me.

Over the past 4 seasons:
Bess - 260 receptions, 2669yds, 11TDs
Breaston - 240 receptions, 3221yds, 9TDs

I see what you did there... what happens when you compare Breaston's first 4 seasons to that of Bess' first 4 seasons? :) (Kurt Warner helps Breaston a bit there)

Either way ... in those 3 categories, Bess wins on 2, right? :clap:

So all they have to do is offer the 7th pick?

No clue.

I wasn't even paying attention to the draft order. :facepalm:

I meant 7th round.

Then wouldn't Bowe get a little more credit when looking at who he has had throwing to him versus Marshall?

The difference is Bess played a lot his rookie year. Breaston did not (only 8 receptions). You can talk about Warner, but except for his final year in Arizona he was the #3 WR behind Fitz & Boldin.

If you look at just this past season both were, essentially, #2 WRs behind Bowe & Marshall and I could argue that Miami's QB & RB situation was better than KC's:

Bess: 51 receptions, 537 yards, 3TDs
Breaston: 61 receptions, 785 yards, 2TDs

Beat me to it.

You can't compare Breaston's early Numbers to Bess's early Numbers. Breaston played number 3 behind Fitz and Boldin while Bess got to start right away.

The thing is: Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston could be an amazing force with a good QB.

You could probably say the same for any team.

QB's make the receivers.


I'm very critical of Bowe's drops, but in reality he makes up for it with fantastic catches that shouldn't be caught.... and he has Cassel over/under throwing him all of the time. He's a great YAC wr. If it came down to signing Bowe/Marshall to my NFL team... I would just take whomever comes cheaper.

Breaston proved to be a great signing last year for the slot. He's no Welker... but he could be if Brady was throwing him the damn ball.

Baldwin still has a lot to prove.

I would Take Bowe over Marshall, and that's NOT the homer in me.

Lost in all this talk about Miami's "great Receiver" is that Marshall is a ****ing headcase who's seemingly always doing or saying something stupid.

The worst thing Bowe ever did was the importing comment.

Yeah, by the time Marshall was traded I was happy to see him go.

Well not to mention that Peyton is bringing along Wayne with him wherever he goes.

You take our WR/TE core plus Reggie Wayne? I'll put that up against everybody.

If we got Peyton Manning, people would be talking about Dwayne Bowe like he's easily top 5 in the league.