i dont think Bowe is a particularly good selling point to a QB given the fact that he has drive killing drops and doesn't create great separation

Brandon Marshall's drops are even worse, and he's a ****ing nutcase with no discipline.

He's a vastly more talented receiver than anyone in Miami not named Marshall.

I think Bowe drops more.

Every conceivable source that reports on NFL drops says you're wrong.

I think our best bet is driving up the price for Wayne, not sure where that would leave Bowe... maybe on the trade block

link?

Maybe next time KC plays Miami they'll decide to cover Fassano and score some points.

You have Bowe tagged. No sense in trading him unless it's for 2 firsts, which isn't happening.


Don't understand why having Wayne makes us have too many wrs.

Yeah.

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It might just be a matter of where the money is being allocated... Especially if we make a push to retain Carr... I believe that Peyton+Wayne > Peyton+Bowe... So it might be worth dumping money into

Edit* i think Breaston got a nice contract

I'm curious, if the Chiefs are as bad as you say, what spots need upgrading?

I think Bowe and Marshall tied for 2nd most drops in the NFL in 2011, but i'd venture to guess Bowe has more career drops

Wayne probably has 1 year left, 2 tops. 33 year old wrs don't age very well.


Not sure how you think Peyton and Wayne are better but.....

PFF has Marshall with like the 11th highest drop percentage.

Bowe isn't even top 20

Moeaki had more yards in his rookie year than Fasano has had in any single season of his entire career. So yes, Moeaki IS better than Fasano. That's without even considering how damned good of a blocker he is.

Add in the fact that he is an Iowa TE, just like Manning's former TE Dallas Clark, and Ferentz calls Moeaki the best TE he's ever coached.

You are forgiven.

In no particular order:
left guard, right tackle, tight end, qb, hb, WR who can stretch the field.
NT, S, DE.

I'm giving Hudson the benefit of the doubt at center and Asamoah another year at RG although he was bad in run blocking.

QB. Moore > Cassel
RB. Charles > Bush
RB2. Miami by default
WR1. Push
WR2. Baldwin > Hartline
WR3. Breaston > Bess
TE. Push
OL. Push

Front 7. KC by a hair...Houston gives us an advantage Miami doesn't have. If we could sign Peyton and Soliai, we are by far the better front 7...just with them losing him gives our unit the sizable advantage.
Secondary. KC and it's not close.

Fine.


Basically of all the things you are stating, we need 4 starters give or take. NT, QB, RT, and LG?

Also don't know what good a Wr that stretches the field would have done the last few years with Cassel at the helm, but I agree on that one.

These things are actually all attainable this offseason with the right moves. Thats why I'm optimistic about Manning coming here. This team isn't built yet, but it's possible that it's an offseason away.

is miami the team thats changing their D?

Yeah.

Give me Peyton, a starting quality right tackle and nose guard (regardless of age, within reasonable extents) and a few vet minimum depth signings to go with a solid draft and this team goes to the AFCC game next year and probably a superbowl.

They would have the talent to. Tough thing about sports is it always comes down to luck at some point even when you are super-talented. Just using NE you have the Evans drop this year in the AFCC or the Tyree catch against them in 07. Also you can use Houston this season.

1. Who gives a shit about career drops.

2. Last year Marshall dropped had 14 drops. 2nd in the league. Bowe had 10.

3. The year before Marshall had 13 drops. Tied for 1st. Bowe had 8.

If you look at drop rate statistics, Marshall is even worse.

Marshall is the most overrated WR in all of football, and that's the only list he's the ****ing top at. That guy isn't worth a god damn.

I agree there needs to upgrades but you are seriously underrating the QB position if you don't think a healthy Manning makes this team a SB contender.

You do not need all-pros at every position.

A healthy manning 100% makes this team a SB contender.

JFC we went 7-9 with Cassel, Palko, and Orton playing, and that was without Moeaki, Charles, and Berry.

Seriously.

Nah, he's pretty good. But he's not any better than Bowe.

FYP

I think both are awesome recievers in the right enviornment. Marshall has a little more explosion speed-wise and I think thats what makes people think he is better. If Bowe ever plays with a great QB we will see what his ceiling really is. He has been a monster even just playing with these Charlie Brown QBs. No offense to Charlie Brown.

No he's not really. He was targeted more than any WR in the league during his Dungver days. Over inflating his stats something awful.

The guy is incredibly overrated.

Peyton, Wayne, Soliai, Reiff, done.

So am I, just from thinking about it.

If we could get Manning, Soliai and Wayne, have the draft you guys are mocking us to have in the draft planet, I would be very very excited about Chiefs football.


Richardson in the first, Osomele in the second? Wowza.

I don't think that peyton manning gives a **** WHERE his TE went to college.

For the love of god, stop posting. Marshall has a lot of drops, but like Bowe, he's still a playmaker.

You suck my cock.

Marshall is vastly overrated.

I think Bowe and Marshall have similar talent levels with Marshall maybe having a slight edge... but Bowe plays with focus and determination, consistently.

Marshall doesnt.

There's the difference.

Having a new talented and trustworthy target at TE who was coached up, and trained by the same people who produced one of his favorite targets over the last 10yrs?

Peyton knows what he's getting when you get Iowa players. Indianapolis loves them as much as Pioli. They come into the league prepared. I'm sure he'll like knowing a lot about how his TE plays the game.

But Bowe is ours, so naturally he is worse until he goes to another team. Then and only then will Bowe be a great WR in the eyes of the Planeteers.

YOU ARE NOT FRANKIE!.... BLASPHEMER!

Peyton is good, I know. But how good is he in the front 7?

I personally think that Philbin is going to try and hitch his wagon with Flynn...

It may not be his say. I think the owner has a boner for Peyton.

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In Miami, some doubt Peyton wants to play with Marshall

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 12, 2012, 1:38 PM EDT

Peyton Manning will surely want to play with talented receivers wherever he signs. But he’ll also want to play with reliable receivers who can be counted on to consistently meet his expectations. And in Miami, some doubt that Brandon Marshall fits that bill.

Marshall is undeniably talented, but Mike Berardino of the Sun Sentinel writes that Marshall could be a drag on the Dolphins’ pursuit of Manning, given his reputation for being difficult to deal with.

When Manning visited the Cardinals’ facilities on Sunday, Larry Fitzgerald didn’t only join the meeting because he’s a talented receiver. He also joined the meeting because he’s widely known as a congenial guy who works hard and gets along with his quarterbacks. That’s the type of person Manning will want to play with, and it’s fair to ask whether Marshall can be that kind of person.

Meanwhile, as everyone obsesses over Manning in Miami, things are changing by the minute. Sun Sentinel columnist Dave Hyde wrote on Twitter on Monday afternoon that the “Dolphins are out of the running for Peyton Manning, a source said.” After six minutes of furious re-tweeting around the NFL Twitter world, Hyde tweeted again, “Strike that: They are NOT out of the running. Dolphins are in the running.”

Expect the Manning stories to continue to go back and forth until he signs his name on a contract.

Wonder if the Bowe Show fits the bill...