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O.city 03-08-2012 03:46 PM
I bet the Saints wish they would have drafted a qb instead of getting Brees. I know it's a totally different situation, but this is a no brainer if it's possible IMO.

lcarus 03-08-2012 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8429756)
I bet the Saints wish they would have drafted a qb instead of getting Brees. I know it's a totally different situation, but this is a no brainer if it's possible IMO.
Brees was like 26 and healthy when the Saints signed him? I'm not disagreeing with you.

Molitoth 03-08-2012 03:49 PM
:#:banghead::cuss:

O.city 03-08-2012 04:19 PM
Kimble was a little afraid to get hit there.


CATCH THE BALL>

bevischief 03-08-2012 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8429776)
Brees was like 26 and healthy when the Saints signed him? I'm not disagreeing with you.
He was coming off a major shoulder surgery.

keg in kc 03-08-2012 04:56 PM
Yeah, let's stick with Cassel. That path has "winning" written all over it.

whoman69 03-08-2012 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8430072)
Yeah, let's stick with Cassel. That path has "winning" written all over it.
I'm just curious what language that might be written in.

007 03-08-2012 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8429140)
It worked with Montana. Well sort of worked. We were instant Super Bowl contenders, and Joe got us closer than we've been in the 40 years since we won the damn thing. Just because we came up just short with Joe doesn't mean it was a failure. Not at all.
Joe should have also proven to this organization how important a good QB is to a team. Unfortunately our FO has been full of dumbasses.

lcarus 03-08-2012 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8430090)
Joe should have also proven to this organization how important a good QB is to a team. Unfortunately our FO has been full of dumbasses.
Yeah, and shortly after Joe retired we decided to stick it out with Elvis Grbac and let Rich Gannon leave for the Raiders. That turned out to be an amazing decision didn't it.

htismaqe 03-08-2012 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8430113)
Yeah, and shortly after Joe retired we decided to stick it out with Elvis Grbac and let Rich Gannon leave for the Raiders. That turned out to be an amazing decision didn't it.
Don't kid yourself, Rich Gannon was a retread too...he'd been out of football for a full season (or was it two?) when he signed with the Chiefs.

lcarus 03-08-2012 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8430117)
Don't kid yourself, Rich Gannon was a retread too...he'd been out of football for a full season (or was it two?) when he signed with the Chiefs.
Yeah, but the point I'm making is that the last good QB decision we made was Joe Montana. Trent Green was pretty good I guess.

Chris Meck 03-08-2012 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8429645)
I know what you're saying, Mr. Chris Meck. In an ideal world, the Chiefs would commit to drafting and developing their own quarterback. It's what we need ... it's what we've always needed. But, for reasons inexplicable, this franchise just doesn't seem to believe in that approach.

We're in a tough spot now, though. The defense is good enough to win in the playoffs. And, I think we have sufficient talent on offense if we patch up a few things. Do we have the time to develop a guy before the window closes on key players? Probably not. And that's what makes this Manning opportunity so attractive.

The half-full part to me is that, should Manning come aboard and lead us deep into the playoffs and even, perhaps, to the Super Bowl, our young team would gain valuable experience and confidence that can pay dividends long after Manning's head is mounted over the bar.

With that in mind, I've decided to support this idea. I don't, however, believe deep in my heart that it will happen, though. Too many past disappointments have jaded my attitude toward this organization. Plus, Manning doesn't strike me as particularly neat and tidy.

FAX
yeah...well...I think it IS gonna happen. And I think we'll be a playoff team for a couple of years but not a SB team, and then we'll be rebuilding...again. the cupboard will be emptying, and we'll have to start over-with no QB.

Psyko Tek 03-08-2012 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8429236)
ROFL The ****?
no as an analogy it makes sense
innna "when the germans bombed pearl harbor" type of perspective

FAX 03-08-2012 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 8430527)
yeah...well...I think it IS gonna happen. And I think we'll be a playoff team for a couple of years but not a SB team, and then we'll be rebuilding...again. the cupboard will be emptying, and we'll have to start over-with no QB.
We are simpatico in this respect, Mr. Chris Meck.

My initial reaction to this idea was highly negative. All I saw was a quarterback whose ability to perform was realistically questionable combined with another potentially long delay in establishing a young, talented quarterback of our own. I felt like every snap that Manning would take as a Chief would be one less snap that a young quarterback could really use to both develop confidence and gain experience.

On top of that, I've hated Peyton Manning ever since he came into the league. I detested everything he stood for and even despised the things he stood on. Plus, all that frantic waving and hopping and skipping and ass waggling behind the LOS after the line was set really pisses me off. I never thought I'd ever have to root for the guy ...

But here we are. Once again. Chiefs fans. Trying to see the wrinkly nipples of happiness through the under-wire brassiere of desperation.

So, I've decided to join the hive-mind on this one ... even though it goes against everything I believe in. Of course, I'd probably sell my mother for a Super Bowl win, so ...

FAX

BossChief 03-08-2012 08:08 PM
If Peyton plays for 3-4 more years, it's not like when he retires we would be in trouble with talent like Indy was.

This team is talented across the board with players that are in their first five years in the league.

Once Peyton retires, Stanzi will keep the team exciting to watch.

keg in kc 03-08-2012 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8430909)
Once Peyton retires, Stanzi will keep the team exciting to watch.
Indeed, his clipboard holding should be amongst the best in the NFL by then.

the Talking Can 03-08-2012 08:11 PM
it's like Carl never left...

BigMeatballDave 03-08-2012 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 8430527)
yeah...well...I think it IS gonna happen. And I think we'll be a playoff team for a couple of years but not a SB team, and then we'll be rebuilding...again. the cupboard will be emptying, and we'll have to start over-with no QB.
JUST a playoff team? We were a playoff team in 2010 with ****ing Matt Cassel.
How is this team not any better with a healthy Manning?

BigMeatballDave 03-08-2012 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8430916)
it's like Carl never left...
What do you suggest the Chiefs do?

And remember, Luck and RG3 are not available.

007 03-08-2012 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8430922)
JUST a playoff team? We were a playoff team in 2010 with ****ing Matt Cassel.
How is this team not any better with a healthy Manning?
But, but, but, Yahoo sports says we can't win more than 8.5 games WITH Manning. It's hopeless I tell ya. HOPELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:deevee:

the Talking Can 03-08-2012 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8430926)
What do you suggest the Chiefs do?

And remember, Luck and RG3 are not available.
do what Carl did when he couldn't trade for more backups

BigMeatballDave 03-08-2012 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8430937)
do what Carl did when he couldn't trade for more backups
Play a 3rd round cripple?

the Talking Can 03-08-2012 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8430972)
Play a 3rd round cripple?
nope, sign a vet cripple

BigMeatballDave 03-08-2012 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8430974)
nope, sign a vet cripple
Cool. Let's just stick with Cassel.

FAX 03-08-2012 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8430909)
If Peyton plays for 3-4 more years, it's not like when he retires we would be in trouble with talent like Indy was.

This team is talented across the board with players that are in their first five years in the league.

Once Peyton retires, Stanzi will keep the team exciting to watch.
I sure would like to see him take some snaps.

FAX

whoman69 03-08-2012 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8431019)
Cool. Let's just stick with Cassel.
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BigMeatballDave 03-08-2012 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8431052)
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Lex Luthor 03-08-2012 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 8429117)
First of all, this never works. Didn't work with Montana, Namath, Moon, Favre, etc. The aging warrior changing teams can make for a fun season (or not) but they never seem to take 'em to the SB. The only one I can think of in modern times is Kurt Warner, and he was literally on the scrap heap for a couple of years first.
I guess you never heard of Jim Plunkett. He came off the scrap heap to lead the Raiders to two Super Bowl victories.

Oh wait, I get it. It doesn't count if you're talking about Kurt Warner or Jim Plunkett or Rich Gannon or Doug Williams, guys who came off the scrap heap to take their teams to the Super Bowl. It also doesn't count if you're talking about Joe Montana or Brett Favre, guys who took their teams to within one game of the Super Bowl.

Your premise is not only flawed, it's 100% wrong.

htismaqe 03-08-2012 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8430916)
it's like Carl never left...
You're right, it is.

Hence the reason so many people want Manning.

We know they'll NEVER draft a real QB...

Dr. Johnny Fever 03-08-2012 09:21 PM
I can kind of see where the OP is coming from. I hate the thought of having a proven commodity at the most important position for 2 or 3 years and giving a team that has the parts to win now the best chance to do that too. Continueing to under achieve and be held back by our QB while hoping only for the long term future is definately the way to go. I mean since when is the NFL a league made up of teams that would like to win now. **** now... give me hope for a maybe that comes later.

the Talking Can 03-08-2012 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8431114)
You're right, it is.

Hence the reason so many people want Manning.

We know they'll NEVER draft a real QB...
manning is straight out of Carl's playbook....we haven't seen one single new idea...and fans are lapping it up like we haven't just put the 90's on a loop...of course typing that i realize fans are lapping it up because it is exactly like the 90's...only Manning is more busted than Montana

but yeah, this franchise is never going to take winning seriously, so bring on the clowns...i mean 36 year old QBs with fused necks and damaged nerves...

keg in kc 03-08-2012 09:28 PM
It's not Carl's playbook. It's the Hunt playbook.

FAX 03-08-2012 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8431138)
manning is straight out of Carl's playbook....we haven't seen one single new idea...and fans are lapping it up like we haven't just put the 90's on a loop...of course typing that i realize fans are lapping it up because it is exactly like the 90's...only Manning is more busted than Montana

but yeah, this franchise is never going to take winning seriously, so bring on the clowns...i mean 36 year old QBs with fused necks and damaged nerves...
I call, "Unfair!", by God!

I expressed a very similar sentiment just the other day and was roundly groin-slapped by practically everybody on this board for heresy.

Meanwhile, I suppose that, at this point, it's safe to assume that all these football executives know a hell of a lot more about Manning's muscle/nerve atrophy and regeneration than we mere fans do. I have yet to read a reputable source reporting that he has recovered full use of his throwing arm and can actually perform at a reasonably high level.

FAX

Al Bundy 03-08-2012 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8431138)
manning is straight out of Carl's playbook....we haven't seen one single new idea...and fans are lapping it up like we haven't just put the 90's on a loop...of course typing that i realize fans are lapping it up because it is exactly like the 90's...only Manning is more busted than Montana

but yeah, this franchise is never going to take winning seriously, so bring on the clowns...i mean 36 year old QBs with fused necks and damaged nerves...
You ready to roll with Cassel as your QB for 2 more years?

BigMeatballDave 03-08-2012 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8431138)
manning is straight out of Carl's playbook....we haven't seen one single new idea...and fans are lapping it up like we haven't just put the 90's on a loop...of course typing that i realize fans are lapping it up because it is exactly like the 90's...only Manning is more busted than Montana

but yeah, this franchise is never going to take winning seriously, so bring on the clowns...i mean 36 year old QBs with fused necks and damaged nerves...
You're preaching to the choir.

We'd all love to draft a QB. That's not happening.

This is the next best thing.

BIG K 03-08-2012 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8431448)
You're preaching to the choir.

We'd all love to draft a QB. That's not happening.

This is the next best thing.
Exactly. Who here would rather have an older QB with problems over a fresh, new talent that could become the franchise QB for 10 to 12 years? It's a moot point. Unless the Chiefs gun in and make a huge move to move up in the draft THIS year, Manning is the best option given our salary cap and our position of drafting to add more weapons....

Chris Meck 03-09-2012 01:37 AM
The Plunkett, Williams, etc. analogies aren't relevant. The proper example of this type of QB situation would be if we brought in David Carr or Brady Quinn and they turned into a top notch QB.

Montana, Favre, and Namath are the aging superstars that made one last go with another team.

Kurt Warners sits somewhere in the middle; eventually washed out in St. Louis (something wrong with his hand, I remember) and then was a starter/backup in NY, and finally ended up in Arizona as a vet back-up that was pressed into service when Heisman boy flopped.)

I'm just not crazy about renting the aging superstar for a couple of years. I'll take it if it means I don't have to watch Cassel shit his pants anymore. I'll cheer like everyone else. He's never going to feel like its OUR guy, though. He's a rental. I know it's a business, and that players change teams all the time, but I'm a Kansas City Chiefs fan. It sucks that we have to rent the Colts' hall of fame QB in order to try to win a Super Bowl.

I'd just rather have something other than a two year answer.

R8RFAN 03-09-2012 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8429162)
That's my thoughts as well. I wouldn't be butt hurt if we got him, but I wouldn't be all ectatic either. More moot than anything. I so much rather pull the strings to get RGIII or even give Stanzi a shot at it. We can have a good look at next years QB class if we need too. Mostly I believe in drafting our own to reach Super Bowl glory.
You seriously need to shut the **** up about stanzi man, we are talking Peyton ****ing Manning you dumbass

FAX 03-09-2012 01:52 AM
Hey! How would you like a street name, Mr. R8ers?

FAX

R8RFAN 03-09-2012 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8431940)
Hey! How would you like a street name, Mr. R8ers?

FAX
Lay it on me Brah!

FAX 03-09-2012 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8431941)
Lay it on me Brah!
Okey Doke.

Let's see ... hmmmm ....

*ahem*

Mr. R8ers, on account of the fact that you need a ding dang street name and in honor of your unfailing allegiance to the most god-forsaken gang of demented, lying, malefic, disgusting asswipes ever to refer to themselves as a football team, I hereby dub thee, "Turdly".

FAX

R8RFAN 03-09-2012 02:10 AM
Ok then

FAX 03-09-2012 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8431958)
Ok then
You like?

Personally, I think it's a darn good street name. It conveys a certain panache while implying an artfully unobtrusive commonality evincing proper and effective bowel function.

FAX

R8RFAN 03-09-2012 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8431967)
You like?

Personally, I think it's a darn good street name. It conveys a certain panache while implying an artfully unobtrusive commonality evincing proper and effective bowel function.

FAX
I am sleepy man, quit making me think

Fansy the Famous Bard 03-09-2012 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8429122)
pssst......no more cassel
this x100.

It gives me faith that Pioli isn't completely stupid.

htismaqe 03-09-2012 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8431138)
manning is straight out of Carl's playbook....we haven't seen one single new idea...and fans are lapping it up like we haven't just put the 90's on a loop...of course typing that i realize fans are lapping it up because it is exactly like the 90's...only Manning is more busted than Montana

but yeah, this franchise is never going to take winning seriously, so bring on the clowns...i mean 36 year old QBs with fused necks and damaged nerves...
What is the alternative? Rooting for a new team?

I don't know about you, but until they invent football Methadone, I'm stuck hoping for shit like us landing Peyton Manning...

Rasputin 03-09-2012 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8431937)
You seriously need to shut the **** up about stanzi man, we are talking Peyton ****ing Manning you dumbass
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Hammock Parties 03-09-2012 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8432117)
What is the alternative? Rooting for a new team?

I don't know about you, but until they invent football Methadone, I'm stuck hoping for shit like us landing Peyton Manning...
It's last call at the bar.

We're trying to cheat on our ugly wife, who hasn't ****ed us in years.

The best looking thing is a horny cougar, but she has the clap.

Meh, **** it. Time to wrap it and tap it.

R8RFAN 03-09-2012 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8432236)

ok that was funny ROFL

Brock 03-09-2012 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8431138)
manning is straight out of Carl's playbook....we haven't seen one single new idea...and fans are lapping it up like we haven't just put the 90's on a loop...of course typing that i realize fans are lapping it up because it is exactly like the 90's...only Manning is more busted than Montana

but yeah, this franchise is never going to take winning seriously, so bring on the clowns...i mean 36 year old QBs with fused necks and damaged nerves...
I agree with what you're saying in principle. That said, nobody really knows what the situation is with his health, and prior to this he was still playing like he was in his prime. We have Cassel, and no shot at drafting the better QBs at this time. So it's time to get over it.

Saul Good 03-09-2012 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8432274)
I agree with what you're saying in principle. That said, nobody really knows what the situation is with his health, and prior to this he was still playing like he was in his prime. We have Cassel, and no shot at drafting the better QBs at this time. So it's time to get over it.
People are bitching about us going after the best available QB and giving up nothing but Clark's money.

WTF is Pioli supposed to do? Aaron Rodgers isn't a free agent. Andrew Luck isn't getting past the Colts. We aren't able to outbid the rest of the league for RGIII.

People bitch way too much.

R8RFAN 03-09-2012 09:57 AM
You guys should get Flynn

Imon Yourside 03-09-2012 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8432386)
People are bitching about us going after the best available QB and giving up nothing but Clark's money.

WTF is Pioli supposed to do? Aaron Rodgers isn't a free agent. Andrew Luck isn't getting past the Colts. We aren't able to outbid the rest of the league for RGIII.

People bitch way too much.
This is a no loss situation, YOU TAKE MANNING if you can get him. It's probably the closest we'll ever be to drafting a franchise QB judging history. Matt Blundin anyone? Steve Fuller? Todd Blackledge?

Chiefnj2 03-09-2012 10:12 AM
If KC plays its cards right they can make a run at Drew Brees in 2015 and Rivers in 2018.

htismaqe 03-09-2012 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8432274)
I agree with what you're saying in principle. That said, nobody really knows what the situation is with his health, and prior to this he was still playing like he was in his prime. We have Cassel, and no shot at drafting the better QBs at this time. So it's time to get over it.
Yep.

Not just time to get over it.

It's time to EMBRACE it.

htismaqe 03-09-2012 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8432467)
If KC plays its cards right they can make a run at Drew Brees in 2015 and Rivers in 2018.
Might as well prepare yourself for it now.

Rasputin 03-09-2012 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8432483)
Yep.

Not just time to get over it.

It's time to EMBRACE it.
That's exactly what I am trying to do right now is embrace it. I want more than anything to draft and develop a top teir prospect from the draft from the time before ala Joe freaking Montana. So I've waited a long time for this to happen, not happening any time soon it appears so WTF?!? am I suppose to want in the mean time. Peyton Manning is the next best option for right now & hope to TimTebows eyepatch 3:16 that he gets us a Super Bowl win. I'm really opening up to the idea tha Peyton Manning can and will bring us a Super Bowl anything less is uncivilized.

htismaqe 03-09-2012 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8432521)
That's exactly what I am trying to do right now is embrace it. I want more than anything to draft and develop a top teir prospect from the draft from the time before ala Joe freaking Montana. So I've waited a long time for this to happen, not happening any time soon it appears so WTF?!? am I suppose to want in the mean time. Peyton Manning is the next best option for right now & hope to TimTebows eyepatch 3:16 that he gets us a Super Bowl win. I'm really opening up to the idea tha Peyton Manning can and will bring us a Super Bowl anything less is uncivilized.
:clap:

Beef Supreme 03-09-2012 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 8431932)
He's never going to feel like its OUR guy, though. He's a rental.

Then we should drive him like one.


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