Trade down.

Select a T at pick 29 and QB in round 6 to compete with Casshole...:facepalm:

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I can already see the nuthook threads if we sign him....

he's a pussy and a quitter

he's perfect to put with cassel

Meh, I would fake also..

I think for the right price he is a great #2 back to compliment a healthy JC..

He flourished with Daboll.

I am all for him (if we can't sign Tolbert)

He's a nut case. He switched agents 4 times last year. He completely quit on the Browns last year. You can say "I would fake also", but I hate to break it to you - KC isn't any better than Cleveland. Both are horrible franchises.

Just what this fanbase needs....

If you'd fake instead of working for your check, I wouldn't want you on my team either.

Why do we hate this?

Hillis is a perfect complementary back for Charles, IMO. Give him 150 - 200 carries and let him pound the piss out of the defensive front to soften it up for Charles.

It's hard to be a prima-donna on a make-good, short term deal. He'll run hard for us, IMO.

Odd, though, that Dabol wants him. If Dabol is interested in having him back, he must not have been that big of a shithead.

I like it.

He'll come cheaper than Tolbert/Bush... meaning there's a 100% possibility he's a Chief.

A great white hope? Things haven't been very positive since Boerigter left.

this is what pioli means by 'right 53'

cassel and hillis

And if Charles isn't effective or re-injures the leg and we have to depend on a head case to carry the team?

No thanx...

:thumb:

Yes sir!!!!

Me likey!

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Yep, puss and pussier.

Just exactly how many NFL players aren't right on the edge of completely insane?

Prior to last season he was seen as a model player and teammate. Last year he had some issues.

I'm not going to write him off as an individual. The atmosphere got toxic and he checked out; it happens. Again, his OC, the guy that may well have gotten fired because of the temper tantrum, is evidently interested in having him back. He's going to have more insight into his personality than we will.

Who wouldn't have given their right ball to have that guy as a #2 back prior to last season? His outburst gives us an opportunity to acquire him that we wouldn't have otherwise had. Rather than run from it, why not embrace it?

Worst case scenario - we cut his ass.

The one year Daboll coached him, he had 1654 yards from scrimmage and 13 tds.

If I interpret what you're saying correctly, you're saying:

BRING HIM IN FOR A LOOK?

DJ, would you sign him or Tolbert?


and if you get one, would you be ok grabbing Lamar Miller in the draft?

i like how we're recycling trash from failed Cleveland teams and passing it off as 'our future'....

Pioli must be a wizard to trot out Crennel, Daboll, and hillis as bold moves to improve the chiefs...fml

(oh yeah and cassel)

I prefer lamichael james

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Eh, **** it.

I guess at this point I should just be happy any time Clark reaches for his wallet...

I know I'm not dj but I like tolbert over hillis. Versatility and seems like a team first guy.

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Depends on the cost.

All costs being equal, Tolbert (though I think Hillis has more upside).

But if you can get Hillis on a safe, shorter term deal, he's a perfect make-good, play hard, candidate. He's Shaun Smith in your backfield.

If anything, I would worry that if a guy like Tolbert has to settle for a short-term deal in a year he thought he would cash in, you'd get mediocre effort from him while 'pouting' similar to how McClain started the year.

Like I said - I understand the risk and appreciate the concerns. But the alternative way to look at that is to view it as an opportunity to get a very skilled guy that fits our team well who is both motivated and underpriced.

Zigging when everyone else does gets you to .500. If you don't have an elite quarterback in this league, you need to go against the grain here and there.

This is a good opportunity to do just that.

Pretty good thinking.

I have very little doubt that Cassel will be the game one starter due to Pioli...but I have to wonder how long his leash will be if we spend all that cap space on pieces around him and he still doesn't improve.

I truly think the guy only makes it to the halftime of the game prior to the bye week.

Then, StanziMania takes it's first steps.

Who the **** is calling him our future?

I'll pay him when he's cheap and cut him loose when he isn't anymore. I want him for a year or two at most.

I'm not impressed by folks that debate points that only they make.

So Brent Celek is funny...

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Vincent Jackson just signed the 5 for 55555555 deal #arbys
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Its definitely risky, dude is a flake.

The situation kinda reminds me of Ricky Williams... would we get the painfully introverted Ricky who'd rather get high with Lenny Kravitz in Barbados?

Or, the dedicated & renewed Ricky who put in some great years for the phins?

i'm not impressed by people who lecture us on the right 53 signing quitters

you can cheer this all you want, he's a ****ing quitter

when the going gets tough..he's going to be what kind of influence in our locker room, exactly?

Put him in the locker next to Casshole...

"Yeah, I was just making shit up"

-- The Talking Can

I wish Thomas Jones' locker was next to cassels
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The atmosphere got toxic because of him. He wasn't an innocent bystander.

he's a quitter

you can lie to yourself about it, but no one else will

Whoever started this thread missed a big opportunity to title it "Peyton to visit Chiefs."

shit.

I agree.

But is Cleveland not probably the most dysfunctional organization in the league...not in Cincinnati?

Again, I know he's risky. But we're not going to be in as good a shape as a most other teams in this league at the most important position on the field. We have to make some high risk/high reward moves in light of that if we hope to close the gap.

Hillis' track record prior to last year was superlative, he was universally regarded as a very good teammate. If you're going to take a risk, why not take it on a guy that has legit upside and not exactly a long, prolonged history of malfeasance.

If we only take sure things and pay retail for them, we're going to have a harder time getting over the hump with a mediocre or worse QB situation.

DO NOT WANT.

There are fans that give the benefit of the doubt to every single move made by the team...and there is the other side of the spectrum and that's guys lime TTC.

I'm not even saying there is anything wrong with that, either.

The last time this team won a playoff game was 1994 and the last big time free agency signing was.........well..........hmmmmmmm

Until the management of this team shows a willingness to push this team to the next level, do they really deserve the benefit of the doubt?

After long enough of this franchise, it gets kinda hard to get excited about things you KNOW aren't gonna happen because they NEVER do.

First round quarterbacks and acquiring blue chip players through all methods are two things this team has ALWAYS had "difficulty" doing.

Difficulty = unwillingness to take the necessary steps

Boss, I haven't been doing a very good job, keeping you positive this offseason.

I despise this organization but I'm willing to view each decision in a vacuum.

On its face, I like this move. If the guy quits again, he won't be able to drive a team bus.

I think we'll get the 2010 Hillis, or at least a reasonable facsimile. And at is what is most likely to be a very short term, very reasonable contract - why not? You can still draft a guy like David Wilson or Lamar Miller as Charles insurance or just a developmental back.

A cheap Hillis on a short term deal simply presents very little actual risk; only perceived risk which is easily excised if planned for.

hillis is a quitter, that's not an arguable fact nor a judgement based on my admittedly low opinion of our cheap ass owner and dumb **** GM

you can sign hillis and clap real loud about it

but you can't say he isn't a quitter, because he is

Romeo hasn't exactly run the tightest locker room, something to consider when contemplating bringing in a guy like Hillis.

Have you looked in a mirror lately? KC might be more dysfunctional.

Good post, man.

Honest to God question - who's likely to be the 53rd guy on this roster?

Some guy like Jackie Battle, right? Somebody that isn't likely to contribute any more than a common street FA or practice squad player. For as much debate as those final few roster spots generate; very little true impact comes from them 90% of the time.

What is the harm in making that 53rd guy Peyton Hillis? Oh sure, he'd be higher up the depth chart than that, but you could treat his roster spot like he's just the 53rd guy.

If he starts jaking it, you get rid of his ass. Nobody in football would blame you, including his teammates (who don't sally that shit).

Honestly - what is the harm here?

I simply do not understand the backlash. He knows he's out of chances. He knows he has to play hard to get paid. And it's not like he was a glory boy through College and to get into the league. The dude busted his ass, put in the hours and fought his way up the depth chart to get to where he was last season.

He's shown plenty in his career to suggest that he has heart. Something simply went very very wrong last year. Why is that seen as who he is? Why does that trump the guy that was a 4-year letterman and thankless grunt blocking back in front of McFadden and Jones at Arkansas, or the guy that turned himself into a legitimate NFL stud after being a 7th round pick?

The dude have every opportunity to say "**** this, I'm not getting the credit, I'm not getting the glory and I'm not getting a shot - I'm done", but he didn't. He showed a hell of a lot more heart getting to where he is than a ton of guys in this league have.

This guy spent 7 years showing as much fight and heart as anyone on the gridiron - why are we so willing to trash that?

What exactly did Hillis do to make him seem so crazy..?

He got a cold and missed a season.

He beat the holy shit out of his body for 7 years for barely over the league minimum, knew his shelf-life in this league was probably garbage and essentially held out without truly holding out.

Would it have been better had he just held out the whole season?

He didn't just quit because things got hard; that's not how it went at all. Call it what it was - a holdout.

If you call it a holdout from a guy that was getting pretty well screwed by a cheap-ass organization, it doesn't seem nearly as bad now does it?

I'd take Hillis.
He'd fill a big need on this team.

I don't think we're talking about the same guy.

Not a big fan of white RBs. Hopefully Romeo will convert him to safety.

Yep, enjoy those key turnovers. ****ing reerun.

he injured his fingernail and quit on his team

which apparently is no big deal, everyone does it

Dude fumbles a lot Tolbert would be a better option IMO

The ****ing LAST thing this fan base needs is a white lunch pail asshole... AT ****ING RB.

Sorry, but I expect my RBs to actually have talent. It's just the way I roll.

Tolbert's the FAR more talented option of the two. **** Hillis in the ****ing neck.

I like Tolbert for his versatility.



I stil want to draft one of the RB's in this class.

Signing Hillis wouldn't be a mistake.

Signing Hillis to a deal we are stuck with for more than two years and not filling the 3rd running back spot with a quality player would absolutely be a mistake, though.

I would be willing to give Hillis a chance because he represents a low risk-high reward opportunity.

I like 'em both. Hillis has been a victim of the media and will come cheaper. He's the better option between the tackles on short yardage. Tolbert has better hands but so what? We have enough hands on the team. What we need is a guy that can get the 3rd and 1.

Hillis looked pretty talented in 2010.

Tolbert's a bowling ball. He can absolutely convert 3rd and 1s as long as we ditch Old Man Casey at center.

If we don't, I doubt William Perry himself could convert that short yardage. Wegs and Lilja together did a lot to harm our short yardage game last year.

This guys one of the biggest D bags in the entire league. He reminds me of Sabby a little

Tolbert reminds a bit of Jones-Drew, obviously not as explosive. but same sort of build, deceptive speed. Id love to sign the guy.

A victim of the media, bullshit.

What the hell are you talking about? Beat his body for 7 years for league minimum?

He was a backup in Denver for 2 years where he never touched the ball over 70 times a season. He was traded to the Browns in his third year where the Browns gave him a chance and he played well for 1 year. 1 good year and then he holds out.

Casey retired. BTW, Whitney Houston died too in case you've been under a rock.

based on what?

I mean his 4 years at Arkansas as a fullback/blocking back, plus his 3 years as a minimum salary guy.

He's done yeoman's work for 7 years, took a hell of a lot of hits and has seen many a RB simply fall apart after taking that kind of physical pounding. He wanted to get paid before he hit the wall and I think he ultimately scared himself into getting the hell off the field.

As it turns out, it was a pretty lousy financial decision. But oddly enough, had he simply held out altogether, he'd have probably gotten a nice contract this offseason.

I'm just not willing to call a guy that was a D-1 fullback for 4 years and 7th round cap fodder that turned himself into a 1,000 yard power back a soft bitch.

The first two visits to KC in free agency are a TE that missed all of last year with a shoulder injury, and a HB who basically nursed a hammy all year ? The organization falls deeper in the well of crap every day.

I think most of us would agree that Tolbert is the better option. However, Pioli has proven that he loves a bargain and almost never overpays. With a higher demand/higher pricetag for Tolbert and the connection that Daboll has with Hillis it's much more likely that Hillis will be signed.

There were reports earlier that Tolbert wanted to head to NYG... if we're not his top destination we'll have to offer him more money... sadly, I don't see that happening. Pioli will sign Hillis and add an RB in the second or third day of the draft. I can live with it, I guess.

PH's left nut

This is all I got from your post

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This is the plan?

Plan? What is a puh-laa-een? Is that how you say it?