Im in!

Well, he would show as much emotion as Romeo on the sideline.

Ya know, I've been anti-cowher... but he will get respect from his players.
I really do think this roster has the talent (minus QB) to go all the way.

If Cowher drafts Geno Smith, I will be all about it.

BS!!!! You can still win in this league running the ball but you need a good QB as well for balance/moving the chains when needed.

Sounds like you just want to throw throw throw... might as well get Andy Reid then.

Dont forget this is the same Cowher that stood up for Cassel just two weeks ago and said he was a good QB.

excellent. ROFL

LMAO

Does anybody realize that Russ Ball has never been in personnel? We are needing to replace PIOLI, not Mark Donovan.

This would mean that Cowher would be making the majority of the personnel decisions. I am NOT in favor of that AT ALL.

I think Cowher was just kissing ass because he knows Clark is gona hire him lol

Yeah, Cowher's takes on Cassel have been very disappointing....

although I don't really think he's watched Cassel play... he's another idiot that looks at 2010 stats and thinks... "oh this guy is a pro bowl qb..."

dumbfucks.

How bout we hire a personnel guy that isnt egotistical and Adolf Hitler?

this would work. :clap:

Because building good will with the fans is better built on warm fuzzies and nostalgia than on winning playoff games and Super Bowls.

Not true Parker. Donovan is the marketing/business guy. Ball's has been in coaching and then working in the personal departments. He has been salary cap and contract man.

No to Cowher.


Russ Ball is fine with me. But doesn't he do the same thing Pioli did in NE? Worries me a bit.

When's the last time the local media got a Chiefs rumor right? Wasn't the guy from 610 saying that Pioli would be canned if we lost to Tampa? This takes me back to the "we've hired Shanarat" rumor.

Wake me up when Schefter reports on this...

I'm betting that these guys got the idea from you

I'm skeptical about Ball. Reminds me of Pioli. I'd rather have a guy like Dimitroff or DeCosta...guys who came up in scouting.

They sure as hell didn't get Cowher from me thats for sure. :)

Why not hire Cowher as the GM and let him hire a new Head Coach?

Reading the article about him linked earlier in the thread, it sounds like he'd be more of a GM in name only. He'd be the perfect guy to come in as GM if you planned on giving all personnel control to the coach, which is something Cowher I'm sure would demand...

Exactly. I think Ball would be a candidate as team president that would hire the GM and be involved in the coaching hire. But Ball would report to Clark Hunt, not the general manager.

Chain of command.

You'd be saying hello to Russ Grimm. No thanks...

The Ball thing. We kow the local media scours this forum for ideas.

He's been an administrator his entire NFL career. He has never evaluated talent.

Precisely why I hate the idea.

You're a sad, crusty, bitter old man.

What time is Pioli suppose to be on? And it's 610, right?

Hell no.

Martyball is a bit of a myth.

Martyball seemingly ceased to exist when he drafted a 1st round QB for the Chargers.

Same goes for Cowher in Pitt.

I'd take Cowher as long as a 1st round QB came along with him.

No Qb? No Cowher.

Clark is waiting for the Norf to get fired in San Diego so he can bring him in and fix Cassel. Only then will we see Pioli's genious in sticking with him all these years.

So...what time is the Pioli interview? Anyone?

Martyball did NOT disappear in San Diego.

Martyball isn't just 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Martyball is risk avoidance to the point that it adversely affects the outcome of the game - aka "play not to lose".

Martyball doesn't just affect the offense. Marty had a propensity to use the prevent defense and other methods to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Are the Chiefs going to have TWO GM's, because Pioli isn't going ANYWHERE...

Well said, playing for the FG instead of the TD.

I'd have to think that Cowher won't sign with anyone as the HC unless he's the de facto GM, and I don't think that really works out well. If it's Cowher then he's going to be a one man show running your team...I don't think he could handle that.

Marty didn't "draft" Brees or Rivers. That would have been John Butler and A.J. Smith.

The Steelers didn't draft a QB in the first round of the NFL draft from 1981-2004. That's almost as pathetic as KC's record. Cowher continually convinced ownership that he would win with scrubs like Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox.

That's just another reason he backed Cassel: The guy doesn't know QB's for shit.

I'll never forget the playoff game in San Diego between Marty's Chargers and Herm's Jets.

It was a war of attrition: Each coach was daring each other to lose.

Why on earth would Cowher leave his sweet gig? And if he did, why on earth would he do it for a job like KC?

He WAS the Steelers system.

Consistent teams. Always played tough. I loved/hated Cowher teams. And when he finally got his QB? Super Bowl appearance in the first year. Won it in the fourth year.

Cowher won't get out of bed without a top quarterback. I guarantee this guy saw the light once he got a playmaker under center. Like, "how the HELL did I ever go to movies without assigned seating before?"

To be fair he should of beat New England if that dumbass goes down after the Int.

Cowher didn't win a Super Bowl title until his 15th season in Pittsburgh.

Edit: Just re-read your comment. I disagree that Ben was "his" QB. Cowher never advocated spending a first round choice on a QB. The only reason Ben went 15-1 that season is because Cowher started Maddox. Who knows? They may have been 16-0.

If not for the injury to Maddox in game one that season, who knows how long it would have been before Rothlisberger saw the field. How many losses would it have taken?

And four years after he finally got a QB. I get what you're saying, dude. I just think that Cowher had competitive, tough, winning teams until that point. When he got his QB, he got to the Super Bowl.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Cowher would win a Super Bowl with KC. But someone needs to right the ship, and fast. I have confidence that Cowher could do that. I don't understand this revisionist history where Cowher was a mediocre coach.

And I have zero doubt that Marty would have won a SB if they had kept Brees.

He got fired after a 14-2 season, because he wanted to keep Brees over Rivers. That doesn't sound like a guy who the game had passed.

EDIT: I don't mean "his" QB as in his hand-picked guy that he championed. I mean he finally had a QB that could make plays when the game is on the line. That, to me, is the difference now between good teams and championship teams. If you don't have a guy who can make plays throwing the ball in crunchtime, you don't have a chance.

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You have to win a playoff game or two to go to the SB.

I don't think there's any revisionist history happening. Cowher was a good coach that went to a Super Bowl and won another in 15 years.

Since then, his replacement has won a Super Bowl and lost another, in just a few short years (and with FAR less talent than Cowher's teams).

He was far from mediocre but his stubborn attitude towards QB's cost him and Pittsburgh several more shots at Super Bowl titles.

I've mentioned this before but I guess it's worth mentioning again: Marty hasn't been employed by an NFL team since 2006. Why?

Well, it has nothing to due with his coaching. It has to due with the fact that he wants personnel control.

1: Cleveland. He was fired for Mike Junkin (#5 overall, bust) and the failure to hire an offensive coordinator after Lindy Infante left for Green Bay.
2. Resigned in KC after terrible 1998 season in which he wrestled personnel control from Carl Peterson.
3. Fired in Washington after 8-8 season for attempting to wrestle personnel control from Vinny Cerato.
4. Fired in San Diego after 2006 for attempting to wrestle control from A.J. Smith in San Diego.

In each of those situations, Marty pulled the "Me or Him" routine, in which he lost in every city but KC. If he'd shut up and coach, he'd be in the NFL right now.

But he can't.

Touche.

I can't possibly speak to the inner workings of the Steelers and the power struggles over who wanted what QB.

I will say this... Tomlin won a Super Bowl and went to another the exact same way that Cowher did: defense and a legit QB.

I mean, it's not rocket science. And I, for one, don't believe in the power of coaches nearly as much as some.

I think you're right in that the biggest thing a coach can do to shoot himself in the foot is to resist getting the QB. You have to find your quarterback, and when you do, don't try to run the ball 60% of the time.

If Cowher doesn't understand that the game has changed from the 90's era run-first, punt, defend style championed by Marty, then I don't want him. I want a coach who realizes that the game is played through the pass now, and without the ability and willingness to pass it deep, you will NOT win in the postseason.

God-willing, Cowher's distance from the game as an analyst has allowed him some perspective to realize that. If not, thanks but no thanks.

I'd say it's even more than that. Martyball (or Martyocrity as I like to call it) as a philosophy infects every level of an organization. Coaching, roster, you name it. And the end result is a team that can perform against the NFL average, but not against the NFL elite. That'll net you consistent seasons between 9-7 and 13-3, depending on how the schedule falls, keeps the stands full, but rarely gives you meaningful wins.

Martyball = risk averse coaching.

I want a coach that is not risk averse and, instead, plays the odds.

I don't want any more defensive coaches. It hasn't made the team any tougher, and as the league moves more and more towards scoring, it's been putting us further and further behind everyone else. I'd rather try with someone like Haley and fail, then fail before we even start with another Herm or Romeo.

I don't see how the Chiefs get Cowher. Clark will be paying 5 mil next year and 3 mil a year for the next few years with Romeo. You figure Cowher would command 7-8 mil a year.

This.

Ball has a large Missouri background. I could see the fit.

Although I do like Cowher, and I think he'd be a fun coach to have, I don't want him.

Give me somebody who is hungry. Cowher has his ring. And it took him forever to get it.

LMAO

That takes me back...

And now, where is the post where Dane's head explodes?

You know what though?

There is a thing called "learning from your mistakes", and Cowher kind of strikes me as a guy who gets that.

If Romeo retires, he's on the hook for nothing.

Exercise in futility.

NO ****ING RETREADS

Fantasyland

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just give me a winner and i'm good to go.

I think Winston Moss would be the guy who would follow Ball knowing the track record with both of them. But there is one guy I would keep an eye on and its not who I would look at but he fits the criteria that alot are looking for.

Brian Schottenheimer.

The history is there we know with the name. He does have a pretty decent resume with who he worked under. And he has worked with young quarterbacks. Brees, Rivers, Sanchez and now Bradford. Just file it away and don't jump my ass - because its not who I want, but its a name that will probably be considered.

I know for a fact that when Rex Ryan was interviewing for the Jet, B.S. interviewed as well. He lost the job to Rex but was the runner-up.

If the Rams have a good season, he'll most definitely be a hot candidate in 2013.

God no....I'd rather have Marty....and I don't want Marty.

Reerun can't get over his longstanding FAIL in the Pioli/Cassel argument.

Romeo isn't going to retire.

Link?

"come to KC"

Our fans fly banners,

The owner won't spend money,

and we Boooo injured players.

Lol that is one hell of a slogan!

No thanks

Isn't there a forced cap next year? Won't Clark HAVE to spend a league minimum?

I wouldn't hate this. He would be completely different than Marty.

While I tend to agree, I'm not going to pass judgement until I see one complete season removed from Sanchez and the Jets.

I can tell you that he was putting together a very impressive coaching staff, he's organized and detailed. He's been in the business his whole life now and he was born, raised and played high school and college football in Kansas.

When you put it all together, it certainly makes sense from a P.R. standpoint, especially if the Rams have a good to great season offensively.

My opinion, at this point in time, is that I wouldn't love it nor would I hate it. It would depend on the GM, the structure of the organization and his staff. All that said, I'd be shocked if he weren't more successful than the previous two coaching staffs and administrations.

Mike McCarthy, another Chiefs alum (and Baker University) didn't appear to have a strong resume but look what he's been able to do in Green Bay with a great staff, GM and team president.

Brian Schottenhiemer does a good job. It's not his fault that Snatchez is FAIL.

That's kinda being proven this year, huh?

thoughts on Perry Fewell from the Giants (d coord). I think he is going to be a hot commodity come the off-season.

Noob here guys.........I just heard on our local talk radio that Bobby Petrino is rumored to at least be on the Chiefs list if not already in talks to join the Chiefs. Any one else heard this.

IT might take me awhile...

Gotta get a GM and HC in here to cleanse us of the stench of Marty's Mediocrity.

Yeah, because the Chiefs weren't mediocre for the 18 years prior to his arrival.

:rolleyes: