Obviously.

fyp

No, not really.

Belcher was tolerated because clearly Pioli wanted him here.

10 years ago this guy wouldn't have lasted one season. He would have been out the door.

This has to be the dumbest, most ill-informed statement of all time.

If he wanted her dead to a large degree, killing her is not an act of passion. Crimes of passion aren't about "wanting" someone dead. They're just sudden rages.

Facts? Your getting your "facts" from newspaper articles and press releases.

Come on.

I'm not even trying to be argumentative here, but if you honestly believe that someone inside the Chiefs organization had some inkling that something like this would happen then good for you. But the real facts are that we will never know what actually went down because we weren't there.

So what you meant to say is "The Hunt family doesn't tolerate players like Belcher as long as they are not productive".

Fixed your post.

Absolutely false

Coming from the one person that's had stupider posts on this subject than memyselfI, I don't feel the slightest bit insulted.

:facepalm:

I sincerely hope that you don't work in law enforcement, or any other field where deductive reasoning is required.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

Clearly LJ was a special case.

I'm guess the Hunts never knew anything about Belcher's issues.

Because Pioli didn't want them to know.

Damn... what will you and Dane make up next? ROFL

I doubt the Hunt family knew about Johnson's issues until it got out of hand.

Why don't you prove that they were aware?

And what, exactly, did I fabricate, you ****ing worthless troll?

The Star got their info from multiple police sources doesn't get more clearer than that.

I see nothing to substantiate your claim that there was disinformation on the behalf of Pioli.

Your statements on this thread are unfounded, false, and misleading.

Again, unfounded.

Thank you.

So, newspapers lie and fabricate stories?

In what country do you reside?

Prove otherwise.

What have I "made up" in this thread, Russ?

If you had some inside knowledge or even firsthand knowledge of this situation I may take your opinion for something. But the bottom line is that you're just some dude interpreting a situation on an internet message board like the rest of us.

Deductive reasoning would perhaps be valid if you were an investigator working the case and had all the facts, but you are not and don't.

Yeah, apart from the fact that the franchise has never tolerated shitty people (LJ not withstanding) before now.

Even Kent Babb said "Pioli is a different guy when Clark Hunt is around."

If you don't think that extended to misinformation about player behavior, you're being naive.

Pioli is a self-serving charlatan and everyone knows it.

Seriously? Yeah and everything we read on the internet is true too. Good grief.

Larry Johnson was charged PUBLICALLY in 2003 for domestic violence and holding a gun to a woman's face - FELONY aggravated assault. He pleaded down and agreed to a domestic violence program. He was charged again in 2005 and again in 2008. He played here until 2009.

Do you truly believe the Hunt's had no access to the national news regarding their own players for 6 years? Or do you expect others to believe it?

LMAO

Yet, you're cool with calling me out.

That's just great.

What they are providing is hardly enough to support the case that the organization had knowledge that Belcher was capable of something like this and that has been my only point.

Again: the Hunts tolerated LJ because he was talented. It's a business. LJ was a valuable asset.

When he no longer became valuable, adios.

Wait a second. On one argument, you believe the newspapers report accurately and substantiate your position, yet you also have the nerve to say that the Hunt's never saw any news article regarding LarryJohnson and a felonious assault against a woman with a gun over the course of 6 years while he played here?

This is just getting silly.

So your original statement is obviously false. The Hunt's obviously DO tolerate players like Javon Belcher.

I Don't think we will ever find this out.

Prove that Scott Pioli doesn't hide information from the Hunt's? As I said, just silly.

Prove he does and then you have a viable argument. Until then, it is no more than girl gossip around a cup of tea while watching General Hospital.

Look I know it's all about you being right and all, but the only thing I'm calling you out on is that there is no way any of us have enough knowledge of the situation to extrapolate that anyone there knew Belcher was capable of his actions.

You're the one claiming to know what was going on inside Belcher's head.

Exactly my point.

Lamar Hunt had been suffering from cancer for almost a decade before he passed away. Carl Peterson was in charge of the Chiefs at that time and made an executive decision to draft LJ. Vermeil wanted Tyler Brayton and expressed that publicly.

I honestly believe that if Lamar Hunt was aware of Johnson's transgressions, he would not have been drafted. I also believe that if Clark Hunt, who at the time had little to noting to do with the Chiefs had known, Johnson wouldn't have been selected.

Amen.

Go ahead and link that quote.

You'll quickly find I never said any such thing.

So, Larry's second contract was signed without the Hunt's knowledge as well?

That crafty bastard.

Dane, you obviously are making a straw argument based upon supposition and not in reality regarding anything with the Belcher case - and in the Johnson case as well.

Forgive me if I don't take your claims as expert knowledge, regardless of who you dated.

What the **** is wrong with you?

Please link us to a quote in which I stated that anyone knew Belcher would snap.

It's like the reerun patrol in here tonight.

lol, yet another thing Dane is an expert in

soon we'll be hearing about how he spoke to Belcher personally shortly before he died. Then he called Clark and they went for a round of golf with Michael Jordan

Larry was an asset. He was signed because of it.

When he no longer was an asset? Gone.

This isn't hard to understand.

Anyway, do you really believe Belcher would have been on this roster longer than one season under Herm, Vermeil, etc?

I don't.

Kent Babb's exact words: "Pioli is a different guy when Hunt is around."

Are we supposed to believe he's completely honest with the Hunts in other matters?

The dude is a complete despot in control of the entire organization until recently. You BET he was hiding shit from the Hunts.

It's nice that your back to spew your infinite amount of bullshit, Russ. It was sorely missed around here. You and Denise provide unparalled insight.

I don't know. I just know your original statement was blatantly false and now you are trying to detract from it. The Hunt's HAVE and DO employ players like Belcher.

Two notable symptoms of CTE are increased aggression and poor impulse control. The very things that cause crimes of passion.

Nothing about the crime dismisses brain trauma as a possible factor. Nothing will except an examination of Belcher's brain.

Is this your evaluation or the ex-girlfriend who fixed so many mentally ill patients in the state of California?

You're an expert asshole.

It's great to see you around during a tragedy but I'm certain once this is over, you'll disappear until something else epic happens,

What an asset to tis forum.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Again: LJ was a special case.

The other players you listed were gone as soon as they proved they were shitty people.

JFC. What have I fabricated? If you're going claim it, please point it out.

Odd how so many here are pretending they knew or understood a person they never even met.

No surprise there.

Next you will be telling us you aren't a doctor but you played one on tv.

NFL Player did this must be head trauma that shit gets old. How about he was just a Controlling Boyfriend and snapped cause his women stayed out late and back talked him.

That the Hunt's have no prior knowledge of their players mentally stability is the first statement that comes to mind to me.

That's it in a nutshell.

And they will most likely never know. But we will be overcome with Dr. Phil's and Oprah's telling us what went wrong and how the world would be better if we just just listened to them.

Pioli is exactly the kind of guy that would keep them in the dark.

Go back and re-read what I said.

:shake:

Are you drunk or something?

Admittedly, I know nothing about examining the brain for CTE. Is that going to be even possible in this case given Belcher shot himself in the head?

I think it would be extremely interesting/beneficial if they are able to find out if he had CTE.

That doesn't make your statement accurate. It is still unfounded gossip, just like Dane's BS about LJ.

Can doctors fully asses his brain? He put a bullet through his head. This isn't like Seau or Duerson or Macky, etc.

Depends on the bullet type and entry/exit wound.

As KC Connection pointed out, no one knows crap.... and they probably never will. But plenty of people will blame someone they don't like.

Q

:D

So, you believe that Lamar Hunt, who was suffering from severe cancer in 2003, was told before LJ was selected in the first round of that draft, that he held a gun to a woman's face and signed off on that?

Is that your statement?

Dane was mates with Lamar so he probably knows this stuff

So you think Clark Hunt had full knowledge of Belcher's issues and allowed him to remain a Chief.

Sounds plausible based on the history of this organization.

You have been acting all along like they knew the situation and then through deductive reasoning deduced that they were safe, but then weren't shocked that he killed someone. You've been acting like you knew the whole situation from the beginning of this thread and with your first statement injected blame on Pioli and Crennel. Like they should have known.

What BS?

You've gone full ****ing reerun.

I don't know. As a responsible business manager, I would feel obligated to report such information to the owner of my company.

If you have other information I would love to hear the proof in the pudding. Or perhaps you dated a psychic as well?

I don't know.

Obviously, Only you and Dane can glean the mind of the Hunt's.

Dude, BELCHER TOLD PIOLI HE SHOT SOMEONE.

Pioli knew, yet still asked Crennel and Gibbs to come out and meet with Belcher.

Does that sound like the action of a man that feels threatened or in fear of losing his life?

Yup, I see people making better fiction than any of Stephen King's last 10 novels.

I've seen people blame guns, drinking, head trauma, "thug life" (whatever the hell that was supposed to mean earlier in this thread), and now the Chiefs administration/ownership among other things for this terrible tragedy. And these are predominantly people who have never met the man who did this and don't have a clue what he was really like or what went on in his mind that morning.

The fact is that sometimes individuals go off like this, they lose it when nobody expects them to, and we never fully know the reasons why. For some, I guess, that's just too hard to accept. Everything must be explained.

As long as I remember, Lamar was pretty particular about his first round picks. He wanted to be kept abreast of any transactions involving first round picks and to sign off on players selected according to several accounts including those statements of Carl Peterson during the near 20 years he was here. Whether Lamar's battle with cancer changed any of those procedures, I have no idea though. Lamar still walked the parking lot alone many times when he was sick and attended games and events. I don't know why he couldn't pick up a phone and say yes or no to proposed first round choices.

Silly..... just silly.

The faster our information is delivered to us, the more we believe we know. It has made us a sick society of second guessers and informational sewer vats.

So, you believe that Lamar Hunt was fully aware of LJ's past transgressions and signed off on his selection?

Stop acting like a dick.

I don't know. I have no reason to believe otherwise, other than your Inspector Closeau deductive reasoning. Do you have some sort of documentation proving your position?

I have a hard time believing that Lamar Hunt, of all people, would sign off on a first round draft choice that held a gun to someone's face.

That seems very out of character for him.

So, it's come to this, eh?

You can go **** yourself.