I meant to say QB over all of those guys.


Misworded myself.

That's why I qualified my statement. I do have this sneaky feeling that he benefits from the media love for Notre Dame. I guess, like you say the combines will decide. Strangely though, it seems a lot of draft prospects evaluation this year are pending the combine.

clark is gonna demand a striker

haha this

So here's the question Frankie, even with hindsight, knowing what all those guys turned out to be.


If they were available in this class, along with say I dunno Aaron Rodgers, who you taking?

Yeah, a lot of them seem to be up in the (mid)air.

definitely taking the bonecrusher TJAX over em all deerp /egoli

Personally, I've always felt this was true. But this year, with the Chiefs picking #1 or #2 overall, the Combine has an even greater significance.

Add in the new CBA (i.e., far less money invested) along with fan impatience and we're really looking at a franchise that needs to get this pick "right".

That said, trying to make that decision in early December is a recipe for disaster. So many things can change between now and mid-February.

I just want a QB that will make plays, isn't babysat in an offensive scheme to hide that they suck, doesn't check down all the time & give us a ****ing glimmer of hope in the future.

Not sure who fits that bill in the draft, but whoever it is - please take him.

Let's assume Chiefs get the #1 pick and they go with Smith. Tyler Wilson is available with the 1st pick of the 2nd round. Should the Chiefs take Wilson? Let the best man win? Or possible trade bait for later? Or just a potential great backup at a decent salary...(yes, two different styles, for sure.)

Absolutely not.

Developing, nurturing and bringing along one rookie QB is difficult.

Attempting to do that with two rookie QB's, especially when there are number of holes to fill throughout the roster, is irresponsible and IMO, would not end well.

Do you think the Skins made a mistake drafting two QBs? (Granted, Cousins was a fourth.) I've heard mixed reviews from various analysts. Might be too early to judge.

I agree. I understand why some people want to draft two guys, but if your #1 struggles at all(which most do) then its creating a circus. I would be more comfortable taking a guy a few rounds later or not at all.

Even if you have a smart coach and GM, giving them two top 30 overall players that fight for an all or nothing position is pretty difficult to handle. The only way would be to say the #1 overall pick is the starting QB no matter what and then a few years down the line switch if it wasn't working. I just don't really like it.

If you decide that Geno is your guy that early, you best be surrounding him wiht as much talent as you can.

So no, not that early would I take another one.

It's difficult to determine at this time but they definitely needed help along their offensive line and even with their offseason signings at WR, are still thin at that position, which could cost them a playoff spot.

True. Cousins currently contributes nothing on gameday. Unless you include holding a clipboard.

I also think that
1) RG3 came in with so much fan-fare
2) Cousins being a 4th rounder vs. Wilson being a second

makes Washington's scenario much easier than ours would be.

With the benefit of hindsight I would obviously take AR at the top of the draft.

The scouts are saying this, supposedly, but watch a major abundance of QBs get picked right from the beginning. The need is so high fo QBs (it being the most important position in sports) that teams are gonna pick one anyway. And with the CBA being the way it is now a bust doesn't hurt as bad. High risk, high reward. Just watch, it's gonna be like Black Friday with the QBs.

This is all such crap.

I remember last year after the bowl games when all the players were ranked at certain spots and then they all changed, and I thought, wtf? None of them have played a game, why are their stocks rising or falling?

LMAO

You can't be serious.

This.

OH bull shit.

Geno Smith is well worth the top pick of the draft and if you trade down you can miss the opportunity this year for his services. Why settle on second best QB or risk having to take the third best in the draft when the other teams are going to jimp them.

YEAH trade down and risk taking any of the top 3 QB prospects great.

****ing dumb.

Geno

This shows that you need to scout your ILB. There are quality players that can play the position in the late first/early second round. I will shit a brick if we take Te'o.

Yeah and trade Geno for someones 2cd this year and their first next year.

Quoted for truth.

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But... but... draft value, man!

It is simply to risky and the value isn't there.

If we get Joekelksjefl AND keep Albert, we can finally move Albert to LG, because, well, **** that guy and his production at LT the last 3 years. It isn't like we drafted a LG in the 2nd round and a LT in the 3rd round last year anyways.


LMAO

The Browns constantly take a lower value QB and look where it's gotten them. A revolving door of QB's.

Quinn: #22
McCoy: #85
Weeden: #22 (and they have already expressed doubts about him)

But at the very least, the Browns aren't afraid to draft a QB. Take the chance and pull the friggin trigger. We have the opportunity to draft a QBOTF without giving up any picks.

I can tell I've been a Chiefs fan for far too long, because...sadly...I can see them justifying a pick this way.

:(

The Browns are an example that a QB cannot cure everything, you need to build a team around the QB.

The Texans drafted a QB early, but didn't support him with an OL or weapons. Now with a good D, revamped OL, Johnson and a solid running game they are a contender.

Whenever I've seen geno smith talk he's come across like a dick that taunts and has bad vocabulary. Complete opposite of an RGIII.

Very true. I think that the Chiefs have most of those pieces in place. Not all, but most.

Draft a QB and a speed receiver and by God, I believe we would have a team...

I would consider adding someone late, though, like a Jordan Rodgers. By now the Chiefs should know if Stanzi is in their plans or not. If he can't even make the active roster, that's not that encouraging.

Also depends on the *hopefully* incoming staff's offensive scheme.

Though I agree, if he hasn't even seen the field in this season's QB train wreck, it doesn't bode well for his future.

Hardly. That offense is devoid of talent outside of RB, QB, and LT.

The Colts are an example of how a QB can cure everything. A 2-14 team last yr that is 8-4, and looking to make the playoffs.

Every half way decent QB performs the same at the combine and "wows" at their workouts.

I just want someone who can get the ball down the god damn field for a change! No more 5 yard completion averages and wounded ducks on deep passes....

Got roasted earlier in the year when I said that guys like Matt Miller and Matt Williamson were saying Barkley should go in the 20's.

He's just not an elite prospect.

Given the "new" value of drafted QBs (because of the CBA), I think he goes top 15. I think he's very similar in terms of overall talent vs. ceiling ratio as Christian Ponder.

The irony in all of this is that the same people who want us to draft a quarterback in the first are the same people who want us to lose out. If we get the 1 overall then we are going to shop it and move down or pick someone else. Pretty much the only way we get a first round quarterback is if we don't pick so high.

You can get a guy like Cousins anywhere.

Hell, we have a guy JUST LIKE Cousins already on the roster.

We're going to be picking in the top 3. We have no excuse not to take a QB.

Yeah. We're not drafting OL no matter who comes in here. We have a lot of young, high round, draft picks on this roster, and they're banged up. It's QB or bust this year, and I have no doubt Clark is going to demand it. Regardless of who comes in.

i'd love to see this, black bob....

Where does Landry Jones fall? 2nd round? Why? He seems to have ideal size and arm strength.


Flame away......

I think Landry Jones is a mid-1st guy. If Sam Bradford can be the #1 overall pick, Jones will go higher than most here expect.

Kind of what i was thinking....maybe late 1st.

Fans put too much into pure wins/losses when evaluating. Thats just not how you evaluate college QBs for the pro game.

Smith, Wilson, Barkley are as good if not better prospects then Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder were and look where they were drafted.

Yep.

The new CBA changes the value chart considerably.

FWIW, Matt Williamson is on 810 WHB right now.

just be virtue of need you'll have 4 QBs in the first, i think

smith
wilson
barkley
jones

OU fans hate him....

They hate the fact that he has proven he cant handle pressure or big games.

He turns the ball over or Cassels with the slighest bit of pressure... Also stated that since he got married. His failth and wife are more important than football..

But what the hell do OU fans know. Most of them hate the guy and are ready to see him leave...

I would take the 1st 3 over the 2nd group every single time.

Gabbert was weak in the pocket, Locker can't throw the ball accurately to save his life, and Ponder was just okay.

Yes please to any of those 3...

I have Smith-Wilson tied at one and Barkley at two...

I have jones at the 456,908 person taken in the draft...

Williamson just blew a giant hole in the idea of the Chiefs taking a tackle.

He said the Chiefs have a problem at LT, a GOOD problem.

Albert is a rare athlete who is still developing. He said Stephenson is a prototypical LT who has everything you want except experience. He said athletic, lockdown tackles are rare in this league and the Chiefs potentially have TWO. Said he'd love to see Stephenson at LT and Albert at RT, seemed to almost gush at the thought.

He went on to say that there are going to be some good WRs available in the 2nd and 3rd, especially where the Chiefs will be picking.

It's all setting up for us to take the QB.

Wilson or Smith and I'll be a happy camper. No USC QBs please.

but someone will take him

Some major dumb****s to be wanting that. Can't wait to trade down (cause surely everyone in the league follows Mel's Big Board!!!!!!!!!), get leapt, and get left holding our dicks forced to draft a slapdick like Glennon....Awesome.

Kind of the way I see it.

Geno - 1A
Wilson - 1B
Barkley - 2

Who the **** is going to trade down for our pick, morons?

The Rams are the only team that have multiple first round picks. Who the hell would they take at #1 overall that they can't get where they pick?

If not the Rams, are you really going to be happy with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd rounders in exchange for missing out on your pick of ANY QB in this draft?

God, everybody here claims they want a franchise QB, but I don't think that's true. I think people around here are still ****ing scared.

Shoot me in the ****ing dick.

Manti, of course. Duh! :drool:

Only players worth a trade down to top 5, IMO, would be Jarvis Jones and maybe Star Lotulelei. Is there anyone else that teams would trade into the top 5 to take?

*BTW, definitely not advocating a trade down, I want Smith. Just trying to eliminate possibilities for the Chiefs FO to fuck this up.

Beat me to it.

The number of assholes I have conversed with who think we should take Te'o Smith and get a QB in the 2nd + FA slapdick is mind boggling.

The fan base needs to be kidnapped, blindfolded and stuffed in a tiny, dark room until a franchise QB is drafted and established, because YOU CAN BET there will be NO PATIENCE for any QB we pick from True Fans.

And it will all stem from the stupid idea formed in their pea brains that we should not have drafted a QB.

In fact...and I GUARANTEE this will happen...as soon as a rookie QB struggles in red there will be a pocket of True Fans wishing Cassel was back.

Yeah no team us going to trade up for a Jarvis Jones or Star Louitelli(sp?) because this draft is full of pass rushers and big powerful DTs. They'll be able to draft thsoe position/types of players anywhere in the first round.

Star is the only non-QB worth a top 5 pick, in my opinion.

I've been wholly unimpressed with Jarvis Jones. **** that guy with AIDS.

"Tell me how many shitty first round 5-technique defensive linemen you see..."

I know. :shake:

What's going to make it worse is the inevitable "Well RGIII and Luck did (whatever they end up doing)." That's part of the problem, those two guys have set a ridiculously high bar.
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Draft me some Te'o, and O-line and go get Alex Smith......Lets get back to that Marty Ball and tailgating of the 90s!

I'm going to be devastated when we skip/miss out on Geno.

:sulk:

Yep. I don't really see too much trading up and down in the top 10.

Seems like that's what a lot of people want. They don't even care about the Super Bowl.

Someone will inevitably bring up 27/7 next season.

It WILL happen.

"This guy isn't even close to Cassel!"

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

You don't even need proof of what's coming now.

It's already there in countless "Pioli took the best QB available" posts.

Idiots constantly bashing Freeman, Orton, Dalton...Sanchez...

I've bashed all of those guys at one point and rightfully so, but I want better than that. I think Geno is the ticket. Wilson would make me estatic as well though.

We'd be lucky if Geno was as good as Josh Freeman.