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Goodell considering doing away with kickoffs
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**** it, replace onsides kick situation with a rugby scrum (or ruck) with the same rules. Place the ball dead center of the 50 and let them maul it out. Once a side gets the ball they get to advance it as far as they want, then resume normal play rules.
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And I agree with Talking Can and |Zach|... there might be one or two games per week that are really worth watching, whenever two elite QBs play each other... but, it's an incredibly mediocre league that's been going downhill for ~5 years now (at least that's when I first started noticing it). These days, it doesn't even start to get interesting until the 2nd round of the playoffs. |
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Maybe you don't even give up the ball when you score. You just keep pushing around the track until the other team can stop you. This would also be a very fun system to watch on defensive turnovers. Some linebacker makes an interception and takes off running. How long does it take to catch him? I think it would be a blast. Maybe we should invent a new league for this. I think it would surpass football pretty quickly. |
Heard a guy on the radio make a great point.
You know why they'll never get rid of kickoffs? Because of commercials. As it stands now... TD!, extra point... Commercial Kickoff.... Commercial. Finally back to play. |
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Yeah, that's what I am thinking. Three points each time you have possession through the entire end zone. Passes out of bounds would be tricky. A QB could clip the interior oval on a pass, getting the ball to a receiver from outside of the field of play. |
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It is what it is I suppose....feeling apathetic though. |
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TD! extra point...commercial 4th and 15 attempt Commercial. |
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Other than "it's always been this way" why does anyone care about kickoffs?
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**** Goodell
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Probably because the KO return for TD is one of the most exciting plays. |
There is simply no good reason to get rid of it.
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Sarcastaball!
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Other than "it's always been this way", why does anybody care about tackling?
ROFL jaz |
This is so ****ing stupid. It's like Jerome Bettis said on the DP show this morning: "they might as well just flip a coin to see who wins the game."
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(And if your sarcasm meter is broken **** off and move on) |
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i could see him just spotting the ball at the 20 instead of kickoffs..
don't like it but I see that as a more likely scenario vs that garbage of 4th and 15.. |
They should change the kickoff back to the way it was and have the kick off team start further back from where the ball is kicked from!
If they want to make drastic changes then they should implement under 5 minutes after each play the clock stops whether they are in bounds or not. I am sick of seeing games that are finished in the last 5 minutes because the other team can run out clock and in some instances take a penalty to waste time for an advantage. |
They always talk about injuries on kickoffs, but I don't seem to notice it. Seems like a lot more violent hits (and fines) on 3rd and 4th and long when WRs are left out to dry.
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Hey lets do away w/ tackling too!!!
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The league wants to focus on the dangers of kick returns yet the HOF refuses to vote in special teamers since they aren't "real" players.
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Goodell doesn't have a stranglehold on the rules. Any rules changes have to be approved by the rules committee. That said, knowing the commissioner is behind a rule change adds weight to the argument. They're still able to tell him no as they have with the 18 game schedule and a team in London.
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They're doing all of this because the NFL is gonna get bitch slapped with a huge concussion class-action lawsuit, and they're doing as much damage control as they can now to make it look like they're promoting as much safety as possible.
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If you have the "sidelines" in the middle then I think you have to rule out throws across the middle. Too much potential for interference. How about we make the area in the middle circular with a cirumference of 110 yards? The field itself could be 53.5 yards wide.This gives the middle spot a diameter of 35 yards. Eliminate the "sidelines" concept and rent ad space there instead. Allow signage below thirty inches in height. I like your "icing" rule. Say a pass can not circumvent an end zone at any time or it is an illegal "forward pass." |
This commissioner is truly a pile of garbage.
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Watch parties, fantasy teams, sim casts, Vegas lines. All the same shit. |
GRRRR
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The 4th and 15 idea is horrific.
I can't imagine how many times we would see Brady/Manning get a defensive holding call or PI call to allow them a chance to win the game. |
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I wouldn't mind seeing the rule changed on blocked extra points where the team can run it back for a 2 point conversion. I know that doesn't happen often but that's one of the few college rules I like better than the NFL. I don't see any way they could get rid of kickoffs, though.
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I like the 4th and fifteen idea.
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If it is somehow an outsized contributor to head injuries, and they are giving serious consideration is eliminating it for that reason, then... ok. Fine. Whatever the data says. Again, it's largely a pointless play to begin with. You can make up the excitement gap in other ways, I'm certain. They enthusiasm for the game would be just fine if they do this, I'm sure. |
I hate Goodell almost as much as I hate Pioli.
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Jesus Christ, why do you even watch football? |
4th and 15 would give the NFL more control of who wins games, if you are into conspiracy theories. :D
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i hate greg schiano what a smelly turd
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If this is about head injuries we just need to take away the helmets. No helmets, no one will be leading with thier head and so on.
OR they could just realize that FOOTBALL is a contact sport and that you cannot legislate contact out of the sport. |
I think they should give the returner the ball at the goal line and make him return it every time. Touchbacks are for pussies.
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Throwing across the infield might indeed cause interference. However, I don't think we could avoid it near the ends of the straightaways. If you have a guy accelerating around the curve of the end zone, passes are going to cut across the infield unless you actually block it with a net or something. I think you might have to allow passes across the infield for practical reasons, but perhaps they just can't be thrown to a point behind the line of scrimmage. So if you're at midfield, you can throw "deep" to a guy who runs 50 yards, turns the corner, and runs 40 yards back, but you can't throw deep to a guy who runs 50 yards, turns the corner, and runs 60 yards back. |
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*Shows a video that doesn't refute what I said* /jaz |
what the hell does a running play have to do with a kickoff lol
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Breaking a KO return, breaking a punt return, breaking a long TD run and breaking a long TD pass are all about the same thing. What makes them exciting is less about the nature of the play, but the competitiveness of the game and the situation it is played in. I'm certain that they could adjust the rules and find a set of conditions that maintained an equally exciting experience for fans, if they needed to pull out the kick off because it was found to be significantly high risk. If they took away the kickoff, people would continue to love football. The game would be fine. I know I'd not be concerned. |
If they are going to continue with the neutering of the kickoff as it stands now then I am intrigued by the idea.
But really they should move the kickoff back to the 20-25 and make the kickoff fun again. |
kickoffs are ****ing gay now. So players suffer head trauma at a much higher rate on kickoffs compared to everything else? is there a statistic for that?
If it was that huge of a problem and shortens players lives, then fine, get rid of the kickoff because they aren't gladiators, they are people, very well paid people but it still doesn't give us the right that they should take 20 years off of their lives for our entertainment. But I would like to see some statistics on that as far as head trauma's and neck injuries, or other injuries that ultimately shortens lives or leads to a less quality of life. |
Why the hell even give them the 4th and 15? Just give them 4th and 40 (where only a Hail Mary keeps the ball) or no option at all - just make them punt instead of kickoff. Makes NO sense whatsoever to give a team that JUST scored the ball again, even if the chance of making a 1st is remote.
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"After a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it's fourth and 15," TIME's Sean Gregory writes. "The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession or punt. If you go for it and fall short, of course, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, a punt replaces the kickoffs."
that is the worst idea I have ever seen in my entire life. |
OK, QBs can't be touched, WR can't be touched, nobody on offense is accountable for their own safety (or their own team member's safety if you're a QB (crossing patterns) - it's all on the defense), scratching the opposing team's helmet will cost you some games on and perhaps $25K (unless you're on offense, then you can use your head all you want and deliver blows to the head [stiff-arm] and even grab the face mask if you want), now we won't do kickoffs.
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While I strongly prefer my oval field idea, another possibility would be as follows:
The whistle doesn't blow until the ball carrier is tackled or until he place the ball onto a small shelf on the crossbar. If he is able to place the ball on the shelf, the ball is subsequently placed on the 15 yard line. If the ball carrier is tackled before placing the ball on the shelf, the ball is subsequently place on the 30 yard line. |
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Of course this starts over when an opponent scores. |
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Seriously, what kind of female-brained knob do you have to be to think virtually eliminating special teams play from the game makes it better, or even the wishy-washy thinking that it would be no worse? Get ****ed, and stop screwing this game up.
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Make it take it? Is this ****ing half court basketball 8th grade? **** that shit.
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The NFL by 2015: A Punt Pass Kick competition with orange slices at halftime. Ribbons for everybody!
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Don't care about what happens to gladiators.
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This!!! |
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If the NFL is considering this change they have a significant justification for it. I assume they have data that says it's a very serious risk. Unlike other plays. And for the record, there's not just running plays. There's EVERY OTHER PLAY NOT CALLED THE KICKOFF "to make it exciting!!!!!". I think there's somewhere around 30,000 plays in an NFL season (60x16x32). There were 10 kickoffs returned for a TD in 2011. The game will be ok without those 10 plays. And if it replaces them with punt returns, you probably wouldn't lose anything. There were more punts returned for TD's than kickoffs returned. |
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If they did this, dicks like Belichick would try to hit 100 pts.
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I just don't know how they can do it.
No more on-side kicks? If a team is behind late, they have no shot of making a comeback. |
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