I worded it wrong. Sorry.

The point is that if you believe that the staff is inept, then how can you just assume Stanzi sucks?

Either they know how to evaluate players or they don't.

People assume that Romeo is clueless and Pioli forced the coaching staff to play Cassel. Essentially, people believe that this team made roster after roster move without ANY regard for a player's actual talent.

But somehow, suddenly, the reason Stanzi isn't playing isn't because of the above, it's because HE, and only HE, sucks.

There's a logical incongruence there.

People aren't being rational right now. They want Stanzi cut like he wasted 4 years of their football-watching lives.

He's not ****ing Matt Cassel. He's done nothing wrong.

He absolutely deserves to be back with the team this training camp. Draft Geno, get another backup, and see if he sinks or swims.

People want him to get cut so they can get enjoyment out of it. Don't be douchebags. Again, Matt Cassel is the one who has ****ed shit up. Not Stanzi.

Wrong. I want him gone because he sucks. He sucked in college & he sucks bad enough he can't make the field. Wasted pick from piloli for being a buddy.

Almost every report out of training camp said he looked like complete and utter shit. Then, he went ahead and verified those reports when he took the field in preseason.

Personally, I couldn't care less if he's with the team next year or not, but let's not pretend that there's some irrational Stanzi hate here. To this point, he's looked like most 5th-round QBs, irrelevant sacks of shit.

You're all wrong. Stanzi threw the most beautiful incomplete passes in Chiefs history during the 2011 preseason.

did you guys ever think Stanzi just sucks like 90 percent of all the other Pioli draft picks

i fail to see why guys like Baldwin, Stanzi, Jalil Brown, McCluster, Moeaki and every other shit turd pick gets a free press protection by homers around here. Yes they have done nothing wrong, but it is clear these guys are JUST ANOTHER GUY. They have no impact whatsoever and the team clearly goes backwards with him. Every team in the NFL has tons of players like this, the only difference is, the good teams usually cut them quicker when they dont produce. The Chiefs give everyone a 4 year free pass trial basis

Looked great to me in his first preseason. Second preseason for some reason the floor dropped out.

Do you now how many terrible players come to an average NFL training camp? Tons.

The guy is already under contract. Take four guys along. Spend your last undrafted rookie spot on another backup center instead of a QB. Like it even ****ing matters.

It's irrational to cut him before the new regime starts.

actually it is very rational that a new coach/GM regime comes in and cleans house/purges the roster before FA/Draft even starts. Guys like Stanzi wont be protected and get a free pass anymore because its a Pioli pick and Master Pioli sets the gameday rosters and determines who gets cut and who doesnt. He will be gone, and guy like McCluster and Baldwin will have to actually earn their spots and not just have them given to them by deactivating Breaston, a clearly 10x better player.

I would be excited to watch a Chiefs game again if Stanzi is playing and isn't totally handcuffed by DaBoll.

Guys who are invited back to a new training camp don't get "a free pass" you moron. They get a fair try out like all the other new scrubs. There's absolutely zero reason to cut players that have game experience if they just need a new direction in coaching. You don't know that, and the new coaching staff doesn't know that. That's why they are brought along.

I'm not going to do the homework, but just take a look at how many 2008 Herm guys who were STILL under contract weren't immediately cut in Todd Haley's first offseason. Real awful abortions like Turk McBride, Brodie Croyle, Jon McGraw, etc. The list goes on.

Get real.

Good this season needs more comedy and now a transgender looking QB who has no business being in the league will add to it.

ROFL

Talk about opinions from left field...

ROFL ROFL ROFL

as long as we lose, I don't care.

Absolutely.

On the flip side, do you think it's possible that he wasn't going to see the field no matter what he did, due to the utter incompetence on the sideline and arrogance in the front office?

One idea is no more true than the other.

The only FACT we have is that he hasn't played.

This.

you clearly read that wrong lol

the last game, after we've locked up the #1 pick; I'd like to see a different player at QB per series. Though, McCLuster makes Flutie look like Manute Bol

and I bet Hillis throws like a girl

You live in this wonderful state, you know damn well he did

Yeah, single-handedly beating Michigan State and leading the team to a BCS Bowl win...he sure sucked alright.

Pretty much

You seem to forget all the choking he did. But thats ok for people who like rose colored glasses

Sorry. I'm still in rage mode from my encounter with burt last night

No, I haven't. I never said he was great, I just said he did NOT suck.

You're mixed up friend.

Sorry that Stanzi ran over your dog or ****ed your girlfriend or whatever.

i do think there will be a difference from 2009 and next year in terms of roster overhaul

i understand that tons of turds were left on the team in 2009. But I think for the culture to change this time (having gotten way worse in 4 years going backwards, for essentially another rebuild so 8 years to rebuild a rebuild in total) but for the culture to change I think a roster overhaul is order

you dont go 2-14 anymore and not have a complete roster overhaul if you want to try and be competitve and make a change

I just think a QB is coming, (Geno) but also with that a great roster purge also to go with that QB.

htis - love this sparring we do - guess I will have to agree to disagree as I have to blast soon.

What I am reading however is you can't answer why he hasn't seen the field, & for some reason don't seem to care. I however, & many others on this board do.

Jesus, those two guys are morons. No wonder they came from the same parent.

We're Chiefs fans and we're using playing time as an indicator of a quarterback's skills?

Yeah, I actually did answer, either in this thread or the other where we're bickering. :)

Stanzi hasn't seen the field because:

1) He's a fifth round draft pick and hasn't done anything spectacular enough to warrant playing time and
2) Our staff and front office has always had their pets, so Stanzi would have had to do something REALLY spectacular, like throw 5 TDs in a preseason game, to see the field.

It's probably because he sucks. The excuse that the o-line sucked really didn't fly this past pre-season. Against St.Louis Stanzi looked mentally unprepared and so flustrated they benched him. Benched him during a pre season game against 3rd stringers. If you'll recall the Brady Quinn came in and threw a touchdown with the same scrubs.

It probably is but to say that he has no business in the NFL is just silly. To say it's 100% for certain that he sucks, given who our GM and HC are, is to completely dismiss alternate possibilities that absolutely DO exist.

Again, if Kirk Cousins can string together a few competent quarters under Mike Shanahan, so could Stanzi.

Does that mean I think he's a HoFer, or even a potential starter? Nope.

Somebody should do a case study on the Indianapolis Colts. That's a team that let go of a lot of great players (namely veterans who needed new contracts) while still picking and choosing some leftover from the old regime.

Who did they cut? How did those guys get replaced? Etc.

This. There is no doubt in my mind that all of the coaches that have seen Stanzi have not seen what they have liked. He has to be worse than Cassell and Quinn otherwise he would have seen the field. Nothing else makes sense. I highly doubt that if they saw something promising in him they would decide that they would rather not save their jobs by playing him.

I used to want Stanzi to play. No we are so close to the first pick I don't want to mess with our momentum

One thing anyone needs to remember when considering any QB on this roster is their OC and QB coach. Neither can be trusted with a young QB. Hope they bring in someone good for Geno, b/c they haven't done any of our QB's any favors...

This. If we were going to see if he was good, it should have been done months ago. Too late.

Eric shedding blame!!!!!!! LOL

Cassel should be the starter.