This is something I was thinking about this morning. It's pretty much extinct that a coach can just take a team to the SB without having a QB make plays. Hell some would say Harbaugh last year got close but both the Harbaugh's had QB's who made plays to get them there.

Some good points all over this thread.

Bill Kuharic GM
Chip Kelly HC
Geno Smith QB (Trade down - he's not worth #1 overall pick)

Again with the not worth 1 pick.


What makes him worth the 5 pick, but not the first.

If geno smith isn't worth the #1 pick, then who the hell is that some team is going to give away picks to trade up for? A left tackle? A linebacker? How often do teams trade up to get those positions?

:facepalm:

Who the **** is a team moving up for? A mediocre LT? An overrated ILB?

Stay where the **** we are and draft Smith.

:LOL:

I am over thinking it. And this is a good post. I can't be the only one here though that is a little nervous about what's about to unfold. I feel like my entire fandom is on the line...

It doesn't matter if Geno is worth the # 1 overall slot or no. If he is the best QB prospect in this draft, the Chiefs absolutely have to draft him. I would rather have the Chiefs try and fail than to have another year where we strap up somebody else's retread and call it good. If it fails we can do it again in a few years.

I think this is one of those "you don't have any control over it, so why worry" situations. They're going to do whatever they decide to do, and nothing that you or me or anybody else says is going to have any influence over it. And you'll still be a fan regardless. Because we're all masochists.

Geno Smith not being good enough is an NFL conspiracy bought and paid for by the military industrial complex and the Soviets.

I think because we have the number one pick in the draft, this will entice a coach to come in and draft a qb so he can have his fingerprints all over it and grow with said qb.

LMAO I just read myself saying that exact line to KCRockaholic back in 2008 over his 12-21-12 thread. Irony. Or coincidence. I don't give a shit. It is what it is. It was still fun to talk about.

i feel the same way

i'm sure i'll be around, but if we don't draft a QB i have to admit i'm wasting my time on a franchise that just doesn't give a shit

**** no.

Drafting the right qb at #1 overall is BY FAR the most important part of this offseason that will be littered with moving parts.

QB or GTFO

Getting the right QB is more important.

I'm going to defer to the expertise of whoever's hired.

If he doesn't do what I want I won't bitch until it's clear it was the wrong move.

All I'm saying is...

Our next GM might be a genious.

And he might see a QB he likes, figures he'll fall to the 4th round, and will wait until then.

And he might be right.

And a lot smarter than any of us.

no thanks

pioli part duh

play the odds...i don't want someone trying to prove how smart they are playing the lowest odds on the table

I want to kill this posts whole family by cutting off their eyelids and sewing their assholes shut and feeding them nothing but sleeping pills and spam in large quantities.

There is ONLY ONE acceptable outcome from this offseason:

Drafting the best qb we can get with the top pick and doing everything in our power to put as many pieces around him as possible so the kid can thrive and lead us to the promised land.

Yeah, probably not.

Not drafting a QB in the first will be hard proof that the new GM is a drooling ****, worthy of only our scorn and contempt.

It's not about playing odds if you're sure about the player.

Do you think Bill Walsh was "playing the odds" when he drafted Montana?

He knew.

No, it will be proof that he thinks he's smarter than the group who believes in drafting a 1st round QB this year.

Then we'll see if he's correct, for better or for worse.

He'll be wrong, and I will hate watching it be proven.

Sorry, but was Bill Walsh wrong? Were the Packers wrong when they traded for Favre?

It's OK to recognize that 1st round QBs are the statistical majority. It's also OK to recognize that it's not the only route and Geno is far from a lock, talented as he may be.

As far as this years draft goes, the only QBs I can see that might have the upside provided they are placed in favorable situations and progress favorably are Wilson, Barkley, Nassib, and Glennon.

None are going to step in immediately and produce like Geno IMO, and I do believe Geno's ceiling is higher than all of them by a substantial amount (WIlson being an outlier, hard to evaluate with everything that has happened for his O).

That's great, man.

Maybe a guy in the NFL is smarter than you.

I'm gonna be disappointed if we don't take a QB in the 1st, but I'm not gonna call for immediate generalmanagerial evisceration.

it is playing against the odds

how about we draft a QB in the first round ONE TIME in 30 years then we can spend the rest our lives trying to draft tom brady...

As long as they draft player makers not depth and address the holes on this team, I give 2 years if no playoff wins off with their heads.

No, it isn't. It's been 30 years since we drafted a first round QB. We've waited far too long. Geno #1 overall or bust.

WTF dude?!?!?!

We've spent the better part of the last 10 years talking about NOT ****ing with the odds.

56% of all Super Bowls have been won by guys drafted in the 1st round.

Now you're just gonna chuck that out the window because you wanna "get behind" the new guy?

That doesn't make any sense...

There are no "odds" involved if our GM is sure about the QB he's picking.

If he knows what QB he wants, and he's genius enough to get an elite one outside the 1st round, more power to him.

Just playing devil's advocate.

Dude, you're basically suggesting that our new GM is a once-in-a-generation talent evaluator who is going to find a once-in-a-generation steal at QB.

Usually devil's advocates have well-thought-out, or even shrewd, arguments.

The Devil doesn't play the lottery.

That doesn't make any sense.... I'm sure someone who said "I see something in Tom Brady" also said the same thing about Brady Quinn or some other <strike>bench warmer</strike> Chiefs starter. You're always taking a chance, and the fewer people who see "it" in a player, the bigger the chance you're taking.

I'm suggesting it's possible, that's all.

It's possible that Pioli will go to another organization and be successful. Statistically, it's improbable because Pioli is a stupid mother****er, but it's still "possible."

If our new GM doesn't draft a QB in the first, I will instantly hate the stupid sonofabitch.

Hell naw

That's ridiculous horse shit. If he knew what kind of player Joe Montana would become then why did he wait until the third round to draft him?

There will be no real QB prospect to try on in round 2. Geno, Wilson, Barkley, Glennon and Bray will all be gone by our pick in the 2nd round.

And if he takes Joe Montana II in the third you'll look like a dumb mother****er.

That would be awesome. The odds are significantly stacked against that though.

And he'll look like one lucky mother****er.

He got lucky with Montana. The wr he picked in the 2nd flamed out and finished his career in tampa after 6 seasons

Well ****ing STOP. This is a cause just as big as SOC. We need you on board.

Dude, I WANT the Chiefs to take Geno.

But, I'm not gonna fly off the handle if we go another route. I'll be disappointed, and expecting failure, but I'm not gonna e-rape the next GM right out the box, no matter what he does.

You just don't know. There are smart people in the NFL.

They just haven't lead our franchise in awhile.

:thumb: ^ This all the way.

What if Geno falls to the second round or something shocking?

Is it OK if we take him there and not #1?

That would be an emotional rollercoaster. Not taking him at #1 would make me very angry. Then a full day until the second (while he drops) and then we end up taking him anyway. Would be crazy

That would be really nice. It would also be nice if Green Bay traded us Aaron Rodgers for a 5th round pick. And maybe threw in Randall Cobb.

I get you are trying to keep an open mind, but...sorry. I've seen enough. The playbook for turning a desperate NFL franchise around is not complicated. When you have the #1 overall pick, you draft QB. No other position makes any sense at all, and I don't give a damn how talented the "non-QB" player is.

I'm just saying, keep an open mind.

Geno might start dating a distant relative of Jovan Belcher.

NOpe, if the new GM doesn't get a QB in round 1 I will be beyond pissed.

I would be cleaning the walls next to my couch for days if that happened if you know what I mean.

The Myan's were right about the new calender bringing in a new age.

Comp picks can not be traded.

David Carr was the poster boy for QBs that lock on to primary receivers.
He had/has absolutely no field vision, and couldn't make a read if it was simplified to "Dick and Jane" level.
He was sacked eleventbillion times because he makes Matt Cassel look like Joe Montana by comparison.

Alex Smith is never going to be anything more than a reliable game manager, because he can not take the top off a defense.

:facepalm:

You don't gamble on the most important position in all of team sports by waiting until the mid rounds to address it.

The guy you like might bet taken before you expect it.

There's no way you can "know" a kid that is rated a 3rd or 4th round, or later, talent is the guy.

It's an educated gut feeling, at best.

A smart GM will take the highest rated QB at #1 overall, then take that other later in the draft if he's there.

The thing is everyone here would be screaming bloody murder if we took Aaron Murray #1, but if we took Geno in the 2nd round, no complaints at all.

It's a double standard.

So why didn't Bill Walsh take Joe Montana with his first pick?

First, the value of the QB position has increased substantially since '79.

Second, that was really a piss poor QB draft.

Joe Montana was the third QB taken in that draft.

Phil Simms and Steve Fuller were the only QBs taken ahead of him.

Heres my deal. I just want to pick a guy who we are not the only ones who think he has the potential to be a great starter. From qb to defensive line. It seems like we are always trying to out smart someone else and it almost always makes us look like a fool. I dont care where a starter is picked as long as he fits that bill.

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I have watched every minute of every game for the last decade but I've only watched 9 games this year and I have no plans to watch the final two. The only way the Chiefs will merit any attention at all is to draft the best QB with their first pick in the upcoming draft. If you don't have a QB, then you don't have an NFL team.

I would not be bitching about the above. So long as the new GM selects at QB in the first, I will give him the benefit of the doubt on the evaluation, whether it's Wilson, Bray, Murray, Smith, or Barkley, I'm not going to be too concerned.

All of those players are far more talented than any of the shit we have on our roster currently.

There is no reason not to reach and take a QB #1 if you don't have one and there is no Calvin Johnson in the draft anymore with the new wage scale...Andrew Luck makes decent backup money.

This franchise is on life support. The machine that goes peep is barely clicking. If they screw this up its pretty much over for a real long time.

The team isn't going anywhere with Pioli as GM. We hire another GM and HC that are respected and look like they know how to build a team....I'll give them some leeway.

I want them to go QB in round 1 but it's not a deal breaker for me...

if Geno is who we thinks he is (IE checks out at the combine, emerges as the #1 QB in the draft) and we land the #1 pick and don't take him...

I don't care who we have as coach or GM.

I'll be ****ing livid.

Andy Luck's contract is 4 years $22M (fully guaranteed).

We'd have a starting QB for $5.5M for 4 years. If he busts, he makes as much as Kyle Orton.

Every single draft from here until the end of time, as long as their is no Calvin Johnson or FREAK talent, a QB is going #1. I bet, in the next 20 years, a QB goes #1 18 out of 20 times (if not more).

You don't get the #1 pick and have a QB unless your franchise stud goes out in say...the preseason.

Look at the worst teams this year. They have NOTHING at QB.

I guess Detroit has Stafford but at this point...other than a laser, rocket arm...he doesn't appear to be anything better than average. I like him, don't get me wrong, and think he has franchise potential...I think he really just needs a better coaching staff.

the other good thing about not spending $18M a year on a QB for the first 4 years...

there is a salary floor now...you have to spend something like 98% of the cap?

That means we'll be forced to resign our players (Bowe) and go after free agents.

Teams like Denver and New England who pay $20M a year for their QB...that puts them at a slight disadvantage until you think, "oh wait, they have the two best QB's ever" but YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

Geno, Chip or Shanahan + GM who compliments coach + salary cap floor = insta-rebuild

Absolutely.

Because he could get him in the 3rd.

Geno, Chip and Russ Ball + salary cap floor = insta-rebuild.

Kelly and Ball are my ideal HC+GM candidates. New blood, hungry and innovative.

I can live with using the 1st overall pick on a QB and choosing poorly. Shit happens. But at least you tried, go try again.

If this organization doesn't make the effort and passes on a QB with the most valuable pick they've ever owned, I'm done as a fan.

It'll be a sad day, but these mother****ers haven't done it in my lifetime, and we've as desperate at the position as we've ever been.

No excuses.

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**** this! CP has proven over the years that we know EXACTLY what the **** is right, correct, perfect, and needs to ****ing happen.
I will defer to NO GM.

That mother****er will defer to ME.

Definitely that + receivers outside of Megatron. Broyles is fantastic but his knees are not so good. TItus Young is ****ing crazy, and Burleson is old.

Stafford has struggled quite a bit this year though.