110% agreed

Lets see, 3-0 bowl record, pretty solid W/L record as a starter, engineered about a million 4th quarter comebacks, thus the nickname in Iowa City, "4th quarter Stanzi", long before people talked about 4th quarter eli lol.

Decent mobility, decent pocket presence, good arm, very football smart, impeccable leadership skills, impeccable preparation skills, and plays with more heart than 99% of the guys out there.

Yeah, I think Stanzi makes the roster no questions asked and Reid and his staff end up being able to coach him into a solid NFL QB as they fix his mechanics.

Tebow didn't beat out Quinn with the Chiefs Front Office and Coaching Staff in place.

Apples to Oranges buddy, Stanzi is WAY better than Tebow ever could be.

Which still doesn't make him an NFL qb.

I'll have to take your word for it, since there's absolutely no NFL evidence you can produce to back up that claim.

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THIS. **** draft value. Get the QB you want and move on.

Geno, Matt Moore, Developmental guy.

Andy Reid will

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But we can compare the two in college all day long. Stanzi at least projected to PLAY QB, Tebow did not. ROFL

Holy shit.

Which makes it all the more telling that Tebow is the one with the NFL experience.

Damn that's so awesome I should make that my new sig.

Stanzi's actually awesome. It wasn't that he couldn't outperform The Turnover Twins and earn a look, they really just kept him on the bench to preserve the #1 pick.

I think your boy up there actually believes that.

Super secret Stanzi conspiracy. Fat Scott was positioning for a buyout. He wanted to be embarrassingly fired in KC rather than succeed and substantiate his Executive of the Year awards.

He certainly is, for now. And look how good Tebow has been. He's become the biggest joke, biggest mockery in football.

DO IT

I could never buy into that, but honestly, who ****ing knows why Stanzi didn't play? Especially one year after Crennel wanted to start him and Pioli said **** that, get Orton..........we won't know until our new staff comes in and evaluates everyone.

Link?

Shame Stanzi didn't go to a different college, wouldn't have to listen about how great of an untapped resource he is.

Next to the Chiefs, you might be right.

Look, man, Quinn played. Stanzi didn't dress. What do you need?

We actually don't need to draft a QB. We believe that Stanzi is our future, teach him well and let him lead the way. Show him all the beauty of a pass thrown high.

Landry Jones is a complete ****ing joke on this forum, but Stanzi is legit.

Exactly why he needed to sit and learn this year. Never had an opportunity to play--while ****ing Quinn couldn't throw for 50 ****ing yards in the mother****ing last game of the year.

Well...Landry Jones should be a complete ****ing joke on this forum.

Stanzi just hasn't gotten a fair shake in KC. He's never had the opportunity to play on equal level as Quinn for the backup position and choke on a dick.

He choked on that dick only because RAC and Pioli were scheming a buyout since '09.

Stanzi will never start a full season in the NFL for any team.

A full season. LMAO.

Really going out on a limb.

Stanzi isn't legit, but he IS a guy already on this team.

I think Manti Te'o is a ****ing joke. That doesn't mean Jovan Belcher is legit.

I'll be disappointed if the QB situation is any less than what went down with the staff.

How did stanzi look in the preseason games?

I'm just going to move over here so I don't get hit by second-hand lightning.

Stanzi? Oh of course he never got a fair shake...

I guess shitting your pants in preseason against scrubs is enough for anyone but a true homers...

Laundry Jones is garbage...

He was amazing! And by amazing I mean he sucked complete ass, but in the eyes of some people (Iowainians) he was worthy of playing with the starters.

Bullshit. Like you don't already own 6 or 7 condos in hell.

In my defense, I thought I was buying condoms.

It isn't hard to google it yourself, hey look, first thing I found on it.

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For Stanzi to take snaps in an NFL game where he isn't playing with 3rd string offensive linemen and having to run for his life before the ball is even snapped.

Landry Jones is a ****ing joke period. Landry couldn't hold a candle to Stanzi in college, yet somehow Stanzi is a joke? lols

Completely possible.

He's on the team, he knows the guys, he's a great project QB because of the intangibles he possess and how successful he was at Iowa. That right there earns you a spot on an roster, just ask Brodie Croyle, the worst Chiefs QB in history. And at least 75% of you swallowed his load for years on this roster calling for his name knowing he was good. He wasn't.

And half of this forum wants to go after Kirk Cousins, who got thrashed by Stanzi year in and year out in college.......

Like he was running for his life this season, last season when he was a rookie, the best QB on the roster.


Shitting your pants because the entire line forgot to block? Yeah, that isn't a fair shake at all.

I'm just curious, since everyone is so set on Stanzi being bad and apparently not being on the roster.

Anybody want to make a lifelong ban bet? Because I will. I'm 110% certain Stanzi stays here. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk with me and take my bet, otherwise, back off a little and see what Reid can do with him. I think you'd be surprised.

I'll lifelong ban bet you that Stanzi doesn't start a single regular season NFL game this year...on ANY team.

Heard at least 2 national dudes talk about Reid fixing Casshole today

Why would I do that? Nobody is going to start him this year because nobody knows if he can play, because the geniuses in our front office believe that you should play to win every game and never play guys at the tail end of a losing season so you can evaluate them in an actual game environment. Even when we're losing 300 to 3.
Nothing but Fluff. The second coming of Donovan McNabb is in this draft, you bet your ass the Walrus snags him.

1. Geno Smith

2. Jason Campbell

3. E.J. Manuel

People in the media don't know anything about the situation. I heard one guy talk about Romeo coming back as a DC. I almost crashed my truck laughing.

Quinn played behind the same "shitty" line and didn't look anywhere near as incompetent as Stanzi.

That's a lot of chocolate.

He was seen walking into the the Chiefs compound today, completely serious.

He must have forgotten to pickup that wrapper.

Perhaps the second thing you find will actually support your initial claim.

That made no sense.........

If the firs thing I found supported my claim, why would I need to find a second?

Are you capable of saying anything intelligent?

Orton was already on the roster nursing an injured finger. The only reason Stanzi was considered was because he wasn't sure that Orton would be ready and Palko started his last game when Haley went bye bye.

Your question answers itself.

It made perfect sense if you're following what you're typing.

According to you, RAC wanted to start Stanzi, but Pioli said, "**** that."

OK, prove it. A link stating that RAC was contemplating Stanzi in week 15, which was complete bullshit had you actually listened to the presser that week, doesn't prove that Pioli pulled the plug.

Pioli said no, even though RAC had already benched Pioli's son? Makes sense. It's logical, despite the total lack of evidence.

I'm a Hawkeyes fan. I loved Stanzi. I loved watching the Chiefs draft him. There's no way anyone can seriously and with any hint of intelligence believe that he has an NFL future.

This ain't your Ferentz's Chiefs.

I could see Cassel as a very decent backup but not in KC.

I'm guessing we get Dorsey ergo we sign Matt Flynn.

1. Flynn
2. Quinn
3. Tyler Bray

One man's trash is another mans trash is another mans treasure.

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LMAO. We might get Flynn, but there's really no way in **** that Quinn stays on this roster as the #2 QB.

Hell, I'd be completely fine with a QB of Cassel's caliber as the backup. His contract means this won't happen, but he's still ridiculously better than Quinn.

Good Lord. Belcher me, please.

There is no question that Stanzi regressed from his first preseason to his second...his first came without a training camp or other offseason activities due to the lockout, meaning he was going off his college coaching.

That can mean a few things:

He is a total loss and can't figure out the pro game
The coaching he has received as a pro has been totally worthless.
The coaches were playing favorites (Pioli is classes pet and Romeos was Quinn)

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I guess we will all see what Stanzi has to offer without the political stuff going forward because Reid is a bonified QB guru.

Should be interesting.

They aren't keeping Cassel at 8million and Quinn was on a 1 year deal and did nothing to deserve to be re-signed.

Stanzi is the only quarterback under a reasonable contract for 2013.

And if he's cut, the bold is what Stanzi ball washers will cling to.

I just hope Reid doesn't think the same about Stanzi as some of you guys. I want Reid working with Geno or whomever he takes first and helping him develop and be ready to begin the season. NOT wasting time on Stanzi!

The #2 guy here is actually irrelevant. The #3 guys the future.

I can guarantee you that I will back whatever decision Reid makes regarding Stanzi.

All I'm saying is that I know the coaching staff he worked under was total, complete crap...therefore it's nearly impossible to properly judge Stanzi based on his time with them.

The truth is that Stanzi regressed last year and I think that was due to poor coaching, that doesn't mean his mistakes were all due to that factor, though. Some of it was embarrassingly bad and he didn't look to be deserving of the stae he was on, even a preseason one. I guess we will see.

Backwards KC fan logic. The number 2 guy better damn well be your future.

#2 QB in NE? Denver?

Just because the Chiefs have, historically, not known the first thing about QBs doesn't mean that it excuses the fanbase for following suit.

Geno, Vick and Tebow.

I agree completely with this take.

As I stated, I didn't like Stanzi as a prospect, so my comments about him have never wavered from this stance. That said, I believe he should have seen playing time during '12 because it was a lost season. Thus, there was no risk and nothing but potential upside, should Stanzi emerge/surprise/etc.

I think having QB competent coaching in town will be perfect for Stanzi. I mean, at any point ever in the Pioli era, did you EVER see any QB get better at anything?

Who's fault is it that Stanzi looked lost this preseason? The guy was a FILM RAT in college. He certainly did not look lost his rookie year. His failures lie at the feet of Jim Zorn, and Brian Daboll.

I've been nothing but disappointed in Zorn.

Reid has done a lot more, with a lot less than what Stanzi has to offer.

IT'S SOOOO ****ING SAD!

RAC didn't bench Pioli's son when RAC wanted to start Stanzi. Cassel was injured, and from there on out Pioli's "interests" in the roster management position were pretty blatantly shown, especially going into this year with the laughable "QB Competition" we had in camp. You know, the one where Pioli decided that we shouldn't have one for starter, because Cassel was the clear cut guy and whatnot.

I've got quite a bit of intelligence that doesn't need to be hinted at, and I believe Stanzi has a future in the NFL. I'm not saying the guy is going to go out there and post up a career as a starter for another team, but I believe he's got everything you need in a QB to win games. Is it enough, or more, to skip over Geno? Probably not. Stanzi's had so many coaches come through this team since he has been here that I believe its done more harm than good. Maybe reid can fix that and turn him into a serviceable QB in this league, one where he could serve as Geno's backup indefinitely, and in the case that Geno goes down, play well enough to continue to win games for us.

#1 cannot be true, he came from Iowa under Ferentz where they run an NFL style offense in the Big Ten against teams that are close to "nfl style" defenses as you can get, and he was very, very successful there. I believe Option 2 is the main part to go with here, but I don't rule out #3.

Cassel was Pioli's guy, and Quinn was Crennel's guy.

These two points about Cassel and Stanzi have been what I'm getting at this entire time, and I don't believe it would be wise to completely gut the QB position here, as it is going to take some time to establish a Rythym. Stanzi is a folk hero here in KC, he's got a really good relationship with the 2nd and 3rd string guys, and I believe Reid will come in here, keep him, bring in our rookies and FA's, and build upon that relationship, whether Stanzi is 2nd or 3rd string. Stanzi kind of gives you that "rudy" guy on this roster, simply in terms of his work ethic, and no coach is going to look at that and not use it as a motivational tool.

I don't think there is a single person here advocating that Reid come in and spend time on Stanzi that he would otherwise spend on Geno.

However, you can't be so clueless as to think that Reid will come in here and spend all of his time on Geno and no one else. That isn't how coaching works, that isn't how you win games.

The QB's coach, whoever it ends up being, is going to have that closest link to Geno/Stanzi, and Reid is going to ALSO keep a close relationship there with Geno especially, as I believe Reid sees Geno as the next McNabb and will do anything he can to cultivate that talent as he was successful once doing it.

But, you can't cultivate just one QB in this league. The Redskins might not make the playoffs if Kirk Cousins doesn't go out there and win a game. And Kirk was nothing compared to Stanzi in college. Makes me think you just need solid coaching for these Big 10 QB's to get them to function properly. We haven't exactly had solid coaching here in KC, not to the likes of a Reid or a Shanahan, and I hate Shanahan.

And to be honest, it is hard to tell whether Stanzi regressed or not, we barely got to see him in the preseason, and we didn't get to see him with players who might actually stand a chance at the 53 man roster. It seems to me like when Crennel got his guy here, knowing Cassel was the "IT" man, that he just dumped Stanzi off to go pretend to be Peyton Manning to get the defense up to speed.

I believe in terms of importance for us, our #2 guy should have an immediate importance in terms of starting right now and playing a game. With teams like ours, your #1 is your QBotF who can start, your #2 guy is the vet, and your #3 guy is that project QB who could be #1 or #2, but needs time to evaluate and work on his faults.

Big hell ****ing no.

Pretty much with you here, aside from Zorn. I'm on the fence about him. I know he's a good QB's coach, and he seemed to work well with Stanzi early on, then it just stopped. Not sure what the deal was there.

Either way, Stanzi is going to stay here, and I'm intrigued to see what Reid does with him.

Did you like Cousins coming out of college? I ask because it's completely irrational to give one fraction of an ounce of dap to Cousins more than Stanzi.

As much as people want to say, "C'mon, give Kirk Cousins a break, he was way better than Stanzi" it's pretty hard to point to anything Cousins did in college that Stanzi didn't do. Even in their styles of play and talent level.

Ferentz doesn't produce QBs? Well how many has Mark Dantonio produced? I haven't heard what Jeff Smoker has been up to lately.

And yet Cousins goes to Washington in a zero pressure situation with a fantastic QB coach. The starter ahead of him is an elite athlete who has made the offense click better than any Redskins QB since Joe ****ing Theisman. Shit starts to move, people gain confidence, defenses start to give respect to all facets of the offense, and before you know it Cousins is placed in the perfect situation against a weak Browns defense to go out and look phenomenal.

And then what happens? People think Cousins is actually ****ing LEGIT?

(Not talking about you, Deez) Blows my ****ing mind how easily fooled most football fans are. Even a lot of the smart ones.

Hey guys let's draft a QB number one overall but let's also make sure we spend lots of time working with a fringe NFL third stringer, drafted by one of the worst GMs, who did nothing overly impressive while in college!

If Stanzi isn't at least a #2 in 2013 then there is no point in keeping him around.

The browns defense is far from weak...we will see what Stanzi is truly made of with Reid calling the shots.

That's a dumb way of looking at it. Sorry.

The coaching staffs job is to develop the entire roster, not just the starting unit.

Reid loves the OL. Luke Joeckel wii be #1.
The QB will be taken in Round 2. Tyler Bray wii be the pick.

He had also played in the offense for a full year. Stanzi was learning his second system in as many years in the NFL, and the QB coach and offensive coordinator likely spent little time on him with the project of teaching Cassel how to throw and doing your damndest to make sure he knew the offense.

Reid is going to have his hands fulll. This 2-14 team needs A LOT of work.

BOOM, Headshot.

First, I'm not a Stanzi or Cousins Whisperer. I'm not.

I thought that Stanzi was an emotionally fragile bitch coming out. Unfair? Almost certainly. But this view was solidified in my mind when he checked down, at home, trailing, with time expiring and no TOs against Wisconsin (I believe).

Beautiful drive to this point. Ended by idiocy on the part of the QB. Now, one could argue that the back should have gotten out of bounds, blah, blah, blah. And maybe this is true. But the fact is that the trigger man put his teammate in a terrible place.

During the great Cassel wars of '10, I had and have no sympathy for idiocy from the QB position.

From my limited view, Cousins didn't hit these depths. Again, I didn't watch him play against NE Kansas City Tech, so I might be mistaken.

Too much stake in one play? Absolutely. Completely. But I never saw enough, even after this, to change my mind, even when Iowa bested my team in the bowl game later that season.

Depends on the situation. If you bring in Campbell or another vet to help along Geno/rookie QB, he'd pretty much be the #3 by default. Even if the coaches liked his potential. If they didn't feel comfortable with him as the #2 in 2014 after a year under their tutelage, then there would be no reason to keep him.