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htismaqe 01-04-2013 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 9282015)
Jones single handily destroyed Mizzou.
No offense if you're a Mizzou fan, but that's not exactly some legendary feat.

Jones is a good player but he's not the #1 player in this draft, nor is he Von Miller.

O.city 01-04-2013 05:52 PM
And he absolutely got swallowed up by Bama. He wasn't good at all against the run this year. Add to that his medical issue and it's gonna be tough for him.


Something blackboob hasn't talked about when referring him to Von, is that Von had ELITE measurables and talent that showed at the combine.


IIRC, his numbers were Julio Jones type eyepopping.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281995)
So the spinal stenosis that had him almost quit football is ?
Is going to be a concern I'm sure.

O.city 01-04-2013 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282059)
Is going to be a concern I'm sure.
It was concern enough to drop a perennial top 10 pick, to the second round.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282000)
Marcus McNeil was a potential top 10 LT with spinal stenosis.

He went to the combine and then got drafted in the 2nd round.
He then went on to become key at his position and twice named an All Pro...I think this works in JJ's favor.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282084)
He then went on to become key at his position and twice named an All Pro...I think this works in JJ's favor.
Now he's out of the league.


I was told that a first round pick has to have a 12 year HOF potential.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282084)
He then went on to become key at his position and twice named an All Pro...I think this works in JJ's favor.
He only played for 5 seasons and was rapidly declining over the last 2.

This absolutely DOES NOT work in Jones' favor.

Nobody wants to spend a 1st-round draft pick on a guy that's ceiling is potentially playing only 3-5 years.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282094)
Now he's out of the league.


I was told that a first round pick has to have a 12 year HOF potential.
Fair point, keep in mind that it was a neck injury combined with multiple concussions that brought about his early retirement...not spinal stenosis.

Willie Lanier 01-04-2013 06:15 PM
I'll pass, he's definitely a talent but we need Geno or Tyler

O.city 01-04-2013 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282123)
Fair point, keep in mind that it was a neck injury combined with multiple concussions that brought about his early retirement...not spinal stenosis.
Do you know the complications with stenosis?


It's what you just described.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 01-04-2013 06:18 PM
I like Moore as a 4-3 DE prospect. Wouldn't hate it if we traded back into the first for Tyler Wilson

The Franchise 01-04-2013 06:19 PM
And BlackBob gets owned yet again.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:19 PM
Unless we are trading back into the top 10, I don't think he's gonna be available.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282132)
Do you know the complications with stenosis?


It's what you just described.
I've read that it's a degenerative disease. He also said that he was retiring because of concussions.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 01-04-2013 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282147)
Unless we are trading back into the top 10, I don't think he's gonna be available.
Interesting. Im not too sure about that, but maybe so.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282159)
I've read that it's a degenerative disease. He also said that he was retiring because of concussions.
It's narrowing of the column around the spinal cord. It puts alot of pressure on the spinal cord, which can lead to back problems and numbness.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282123)
Fair point, keep in mind that it was a neck injury combined with multiple concussions that brought about his early retirement...not spinal stenosis.
You don't think there's a link between a narrowing of his spine and the fact he's had 2 neck surgeries?

Pin Head 01-04-2013 06:30 PM
I've read that it's simillar to having a herniated disc in terms of the pressure that pushes down on nerves in the spinal cord.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:31 PM
Stenosis of the spine normally occurs higher up, more at the skull base where nerves come out.

And IIRC, herniated discs can cause it to occur.

Thig Lyfe 01-04-2013 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 9281223)
Thats not as crazy as it looks at first glance when you consider the stuff the professional experts are saying about Geno Smith. NFL.com is comparing Geno to Jason Campbell. Chiefs might as well just take Jones #1 and then trade for Jason Campbell. Lookit the NFL.com QB Analysis:

NOT THE ANSWER: Teams looking to answer their QB question aren't going to find one in the 2013 draft

By Bucky Brooks
Analyst, NFL.com and NFL Network
Published: Jan. 2, 2013

1) Geno Smith, West Virginia

Smith faltered down the stretch against the tougher defenses of the Big 12; scouts started to have concerns about his ability to find his secondary options in the route progression when opponents take away his primary receiver with blanket coverage. He struggled to consistently identify the open receiver in games against Oklahoma, Kansas State and Texas Tech, a trend that continued in the New Era Pinstripe Bowl against Syracuse. Although Smith completed 66.7 percent of his passes with two touchdowns and zero interceptions, he was sacked three times and repeatedly looked confused when the Orange took away his No. 1 option. As a result, Syracuse blew out West Virginia, 38-14.

Pro comparison: Jason Campbell
Kindly go jump off a cliff.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282177)
You don't think there's a link between a narrowing of his spine and the fact he's had 2 neck surgeries?
I think the two are directly related.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:33 PM
And where are we playing Jones if we do take him? He's a 34 OLB.


Is he gonna be depth? Or do you start him over Tamba or Houston?

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 9281236)
Ease up on the kid... once he gets a little NFL experience under his belt, he could be....
We are untrollable right now

O.city 01-04-2013 06:37 PM
Again, if you have a sensible pick for the Chiefs other than QB at #1 overall, I'm all ears.


For me, nothing but QB makes sense at this point.


Also, I'm not liking this.


Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71
Geno Smith and Matt Barkley still haven't accepted invites to the Senior Bowl.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 06:41 PM
Bob, why do you keep making mults when I don't even think your Woodsponge account was banned? We always know when it's you.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:45 PM
And is it just me, or does the Brooks article write up not sound anything like Jason Campbell?

Pin Head 01-04-2013 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282194)
And where are we playing Jones if we do take him? He's a 34 OLB.


Is he gonna be depth? Or do you start him over Tamba or Houston?
I don't think we draft him. I think that he will be a Raider next year.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 06:54 PM
Bob, with Walrii in the fold it's Geno time.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282190)
I think the two are directly related.
Then what is the discussion?

If the two are directly related, why would you want to draft Jones AT ALL, let alone with the #1 overall pick?

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282213)
Again, if you have a sensible pick for the Chiefs other than QB at #1 overall, I'm all ears.


For me, nothing but QB makes sense at this point.


Also, I'm not liking this.


Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71
Geno Smith and Matt Barkley still haven't accepted invites to the Senior Bowl.
If they're getting information that says they'll be the top 2 picks, ala Luck and Griffin, they have no reason to play in the Senior Bowl.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282296)
Then what is the discussion?

If the two are directly related, why would you want to draft Jones AT ALL, let alone with the #1 overall pick?
If I get 6 years and two pro bowls out of JJ I'm satisfied.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282236)
And is it just me, or does the Brooks article write up not sound anything like Jason Campbell?
It doesn't. Bucky isn't very bright.

O.city 01-04-2013 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282303)
If they're getting information that says they'll be the top 2 picks, ala Luck and Griffin, they have no reason to play in the Senior Bowl.
I guess.


But do you really see that being the case?

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282336)
If I get 6 years and two pro bowls out of JJ I'm satisfied.
ROFL

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282353)
I guess.


But do you really see that being the case?
Absolutely.

This draft is weak at the top, at EVERY position.

O.city 01-04-2013 07:17 PM
You think Geno and Barkley are getting 1 and 2 raves?

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282354)
ROFL
He might as well put up the Bulldog av and the poorly photoshopped Bowe sig

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282365)
You think Geno and Barkley are getting 1 and 2 raves?
I think Barkley will be highly sought after. He was a poster boy for getting overanalyzed this year. He's an intriguing prospect that I wouldn't laugh at any team for drafting.

O.city 01-04-2013 07:18 PM
If that is Woodsponge or whoever, I remember him being a huge Georgia fan, so I guess there ya go.

O.city 01-04-2013 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9282378)
I think Barkley will be highly sought after. He was a poster boy for getting overanalyzed this year. He's an intriguing prospect that I wouldn't laugh at any team for drafting.
It's kind of the reason, if I were him, I'd have come out last year.


I wouldn't wanna go thru the whole over analyzing that he's gone thru for a whole year.

This year, he's likely a second rounder. Last year, he's the 3rd QB on the board.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282354)
ROFL
Most guys in the NFL never see a fifth season.

O.city 01-04-2013 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282393)
Most guys in the NFL never see a fifth season.
If it's your first round first overall pick, it's a huge failure.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282365)
You think Geno and Barkley are getting 1 and 2 raves?
Given the lack of blue chippers at other positions, it's entirely possible.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282379)
If that is Woodsponge or whoever, I remember him being a huge Georgia fan, so I guess there ya go.
Ahem.

I posted this immediately after the "Jarvis Jones will be legendary" silliness.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9281975)
FYI, if it wasn't obvious before, everybody now knows that Narrow Head is BlackBob...

O.city 01-04-2013 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282441)
Given the lack of blue chippers at other positions, it's entirely possible.
I guess that's true.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282393)
Most guys in the NFL never see a fifth season.
You're a ****ing moron.

NJChiefsFan 01-04-2013 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282393)
Most guys in the NFL never see a fifth season.
Most guys in the NFL aren't first overall picks you ****ing ass-nerd.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 07:31 PM
If JJ is an impact player and plays at a high level for 6 years that is not failing, obviously.

O.city 01-04-2013 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282468)
If JJ is an impact player and plays at a high level for 6 years that is not failing, obviously.
Again, where are we gonna play him? You've dodged this all day, but where does he play?


OLB?

Pin Head 01-04-2013 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282472)
Again, where are we gonna play him? You've dodged this all day, but where does he play?


OLB?
We're not going to play JJ because we're not going to draft him.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282468)
If JJ is an impact player and plays at a high level for 6 years that is not failing, obviously.
Marcus McNeill played at a high level for THREE.

What is your deal anyway? You obviously don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about. Daddy didn't hug you enough so you enjoy getting slapped around for attention?

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282388)
It's kind of the reason, if I were him, I'd have come out last year.


I wouldn't wanna go thru the whole over analyzing that he's gone thru for a whole year.

This year, he's likely a second rounder. Last year, he's the 3rd QB on the board.
I'd say he's a 1st rounder no doubt. Potentially very early 1st rounder. Things will change here shortly as he'll gain some steam back.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282513)
Marcus McNeill played at a high level for THREE.

What is your deal anyway? You obviously don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about. Daddy didn't hug you enough so you enjoy getting slapped around for attention?

Since you bring it up it must be you who has a dysfunctional relationship with their father...sorry bout that.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282605)
Since you bring it up it must be you who has a dysfunctional relationship with their father...sorry bout that.
Is that seriously the best you could come up with in 15 minutes? ROFL

htismaqe 01-04-2013 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9282555)
I'd say he's a 1st rounder no doubt. Potentially very early 1st rounder. Things will change here shortly as he'll gain some steam back.
All of the QBs are going to rise.

Just remember Christian Ponder and Jake Locker.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282659)
Is that seriously the best you could come up with in 15 minutes? ROFL
It wasn't meant to be a joke. I was going to tell a gay joke butt **** it.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282697)
It wasn't meant to be a joke. I was going to tell a gay joke butt **** it.
Of course it wasn't a joke, it wasn't funny. It was just stupid. You're good at stupid.

RealSNR 01-04-2013 08:24 PM
I'm already sick of Jarvis Jones. The dude is so going to get Daquan Bowers'd it's not even ****ing funny.

Love Damontre Moore. Love Geno, Wilson, and Barkley. **** everybody else.

Dave Lane 01-04-2013 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282697)
It wasn't meant to be a joke. I was going to tell a gay joke butt **** it.
Wasn't gonna mention it, but you're on pretty shaky ground to be tossing crap like this around. Just saying...

Dave Lane 01-04-2013 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9282837)
I'm already sick of Jarvis Jones. The dude is so going to get Daquan Bowers'd it's not even ****ing funny.

Love Damontre Moore. Love Geno, Wilson, and Barkley. **** everybody else.
JFC what bet did you lose?

ChiefsCountry 01-04-2013 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9282378)
I think Barkley will be highly sought after. He was a poster boy for getting overanalyzed this year. He's an intriguing prospect that I wouldn't laugh at any team for drafting.
His stock will rise especially after seeing how shitty USC was without him. Smart as hell, loves football, squeaky clean character. He just isn't the physical beast than the NFL wants.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282667)
All of the QBs are going to rise.

Just remember Christian Ponder and Jake Locker.
Yeah, the morons mocking 1 QB in the 1st have zero credibility in my eyes....Hacks

Pin Head 01-04-2013 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9282847)
Wasn't gonna mention it, but you're on pretty shaky ground to be tossing crap like this around. Just saying...

Tossing what around?

htismaqe 01-04-2013 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282885)
Tossing what around?
Filter evasion for one.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9282867)
His stock will rise especially after seeing how shitty USC was without him. Smart as hell, loves football, squeaky clean character. He just isn't the physical beast than the NFL wants.
I think they all rise, but this is only because of the desperation that certain teams are feeling.

Dave Lane 01-04-2013 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282885)
Tossing what around?
Calling people one that sucks the penis. Pot, kettle and all that. Just sayin...

htismaqe 01-04-2013 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282913)
I think they all rise, but this is only because of the desperation that certain teams are feeling.
The league revolves around QBs. That's not desperate, it's proactive.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 08:42 PM
The NFL revolves around elite QB's...most teams don't have one, thus the desperation to find one.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282959)
The NFL revolves around elite QB's...most teams don't have one, thus the desperation to find one.
The only thing desperate is your argument.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 08:45 PM
QB's are coming into the league ready and better than ever.

Russel Wilson wasn't a LUCK OR GRIFFIN, but Seattle made out like bandits with him and he's playing at a level of a number one overall selection.

Guess what....Geno's a better prospect than Russel.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282964)
The only thing desperate is your argument.
Are the Chiefs not desperate for a QB?

SAUTO 01-04-2013 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282975)
Are the Chiefs not desperate for a QB?
Should have gone with "gives head" this time. It could be like you in real life
Posted via Mobile Device

ChiefsCountry 01-04-2013 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9282988)
Should have gone with "gives head" this time. It could be like you in real life
Posted via Mobile Device
Sauto is laying the wood. :evil:

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282975)
Are the Chiefs not desperate for a QB?
Quote:
Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9282972)
QB's are coming into the league ready and better than ever.

Russel Wilson wasn't a LUCK OR GRIFFIN, but Seattle made out like bandits with him and he's playing at a level of a number one overall selection.

Guess what....Geno's a better prospect than Russel.
Read, Bob.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9282988)
Should have gone with "gives head" this time. It could be like you in real life
Posted via Mobile Device
Oh, someone will be giving him a "domer" for his posts.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9282975)
Are the Chiefs not desperate for a QB?
Actually, they're in a position to be proactive.

Pin Head 01-04-2013 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9282988)
Should have gone with "gives head" this time. It could be like you in real life
Posted via Mobile Device
I don't dislike gay people because they're gay. If you are gay person, you are ok...if you're not, that's ok as well.

BigRedChief 01-04-2013 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9282837)
I'm already sick of Jarvis Jones. The dude is so going to get Daquan Bowers'd it's not even ****ing funny.

Love Damontre Moore. Love Geno, Wilson, and Barkley. **** everybody else.
yeah, I want the best QB in the draft that Andy Reid and Dorsey/Heckert identify. If you have to take them #1, then take them #1. Don't fool around get jumped in the draft trying to get more picks.

QOTF is our #1 priority, don't lose focus.

BigRedChief 01-04-2013 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9283017)
Actually, they're in a position to be proactive.
:hmmm: explain please

htismaqe 01-04-2013 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9283038)
:hmmm: explain please
They have the #1 pick and can take literally anybody they want. They're anything but desperate.


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