That's great, except I'm more concerned with what he does in the future.

Hank Stram was pretty qualified when he went to the Saints too. Again, Andy improves our team.

I don't think he can top his early run in Philly.

no, because i don't think Reid will stay with Cassel.

NADDA CHANCE.

Even if you want to use him as the experienced backup to the n00b QB he would be way too expensive to the cap. And it would be a pr disaster. He can pick up a vet backup of Cassell's calibur without a pr hit and cheaper.

I'd be willing to bet with 99.9% certainty that the QB position was discussed, planned and agreed upon already.

He toldthat reporter in Philly that they needed to find a qb and then followed it up with "we have the top pick"

That is not an expectation, that's a want or desire. Reality is what we get before the season starts next year. I won't hold my breath for the next incarnation of Joe.

Well you're wanting something that's impossible. There's only one Joe Montana.

You are wrong on quite a few different levels. Cassel will never be flipping burgers at MD's. In his worst gig after the Chiefs he will most likely make 10x what any of us will ever make in any give year. So he's not the QB you think can do the job in KC. As the other guy said, what if he is the starter? Are you going to abdicate your fandom?

Andy Reid hasn't coached a single game as a Chief. The only valid comparison is to Marv Levy at the same point I his career. Reid's record is far superior.

You don't think there can be another top line QB in the NFL?

Hank Stram had won a Super Bowl when he went to the Saints.

You said you want Joe Montana in his prime.

You created that narrow definition, not me.

Matt Cassel isn't going to be the starter here. ROFL

FFS, Cassel will not play in KC another down.


New HC"s and GM's mean new QB's.

Don't know if it's been mentiond, but would you swap first round picks with Seattle for Matt Flynn? Then you could use your low round first and second to move around for the rookie QB you want.

McNabb Syracuse stats

Comp/Att Pct. Yds TDs Int
1995 128/207 .618 1,991 16 6
1996 118/215 .549 1,776 19 9
1997 145/265 .547 2,488 20 6
1998 157/251 .625 2,134 22 5
Totals 548/938 .584 8,389 77 26

Geno Smith WV stats

2012
369 518 71.2 4205 8.1 42 6 163.9
2011
346 526 65.8 4385 8.3 31 7 152.6
2010
241 372 64.8 2763 7.4 24 7 144.7
2009
32 49 65.3 309 6.3 1 1 120.9

"Only be happy" WTF brought this kind of thread up?

I don't know man, the rookie cap makes it a helluva a lot easier and just because we need a QB doesn't mean Andy is in love with this crop of QB's including Geno. We just don't know what Andy will do IF given the right opportunity to trade down and acquire a shit load of picks since THIS year's draft is very good at WR and Andy loves the passing game as we all know. Yes I know we need a QB to be able to pass but just don't be surprised.

**** NO.

Again, if the Chiefs don't want the #1 pick, nobody else does either.

You know what?

**** that.

To possibly look into the Reid crystal ball as to who Reid likes in this year's QB class, I think the the key here is look at Kolb and Foles. Two QB's who are totally different in their style of play BUT what was it about both of them that Reid liked enough to draft them ? This might be a big clue into who he likes in this year's crop.

And all this talk about being a down year for QBs or any other positions for that matter happens every year at every position only to find out later that several players in those supposed down classes become Pro Bowlers etc.....:rolleyes:

Oh I get your sentiment here and anxiety, but don't be surprised:shrug:

And Hank didn't become a bad coach overnight.
The classic example of good owner ,Lamar vs at the time newbie ownership
making a difference in building a team.

I think a big part of the Kolb and Foles picks is where they were drafting. When he had a top 5 pick, he took a QB, even when the entire world thought they should take Ricky Williams.

I said this in the other thread... but they just had a discussion about this on ESPN Countdown. Pretty much everyone on there said they need a QB, but there may not be an answer to fill the position this offseason.

I feel good about that also.
I don't know why so many look at it as either or.type of solution.
I could see Reid doing both as in bring in a vet and go all in on qb in the draft.

That's all fine and good, but then who is the magically answer next season?

I know I am just an old dumbass...but I really like the Murray kid out of GA. Seems smart, got a good arm, played and made reads against great defenses.

I know everyone loves Smith on here, but I just don't think he is all that and a bag of chips.

What more does the guy have to do to impress anyone?


Can't wait for the reports out of the combine on Geno Smith I bet he kicks ass. Just hope he makes a good enough impression for Coach Reid that is who matters too impress.

ESPN really does hate us. Jesus.

"We all know Andy is good with QB's, but all the QB's went in last years draft. And you're seeing weird changes. Philly to...KC? (Cast laughs). Well I guess they had Joe Montana once."

**** YOU ESPN

I voted for taking a QB with the first overall, but I'd be fine with trading back and taking one a little later (especially if we still manage to get Geno or Wilson). As much as I trust Reid's instincts for finding us a QB, I'm dreading that he signs Alex Smith or something and then signs him to a long-term contract, locking us into another QB with limited potential. Let's draft someone for once!

I don't expect magic but now that Reid is coach it makes KC a better
destination for a qb in a long long (Vermeil maybe? but I'm thinking Stram)time.

No idea. It's amazing how poorly everyone thinks of this group. I think they're underrating them a bit. But the conversation basically started as how this team has talent but needs a QB. But then it turned to them laughing about how they aren't finding one in this draft. Then Keyshawn said maybe Alex Smith, but it wasn't like he was enthused about that. Cue the Bill Paxton. Game over man.

Very true. And I think even more comforting was that Reid was able to select out of the so-called can't miss 5 players of which 3 dismally failed one of the 2 that had the best success out of all 5.

Alex smith isn't going to get a long-term contract. He's a stopgap.

Yep.

if he is YOUR GUY at 5, 8, or even 18 you take the mother ****er at one.

Don't **** around and be cute and let done other ****ers get him.


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Here is what I said:
Narrow definition? OK, if you say so.
Did you actually read what I wrote? Check out the wording in the underlined part of my comment.

Be interesting to see if this negative stays consistent as the off-season continues. My guess is that some of these analysts, especially the ones reading cards on sets, will start to have epiphanies.

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So I'm guessing with all the narrative, there are only 2 QB's in the history of the draft that Chiefs fans would draft? Luck and Manning?

Yes, but after the fact many would be OK with drafting Stafford, Ryan, or trading up for RGIII.

The last of which would have gotten you laughed off this board for being OK with trading three first-round picks (which is only really two because the Redskins swapped firsts with STL last year, but whatever).

The reason I don't think Coach Reid is going get Alex **** Smith is just because of the pass happy offense he wants to bring. That pretty much eliminates Alex **** Smith from being too much of a consideration. However **** **** **** it would be our luck.

Jeez, read what I wrote. After his failure this year I'm surprised they haven't given him his outright release already. Think about these two words:

WHAT IF

What if Reid thinks there is something there that can be of help and he keeps Cassel?

For all intents and purposes Cassel's career was over when he sustained the hand injury, when he came back he couldn't hit the ground if he threw at it.

ROFL at you for being such a knish.

Dropping down to 5, 8, or wherever means we would have to trade down.

We had the worst QB situation in the league. If there's no QB we want at #1, NOBODY is going to want to trade with us. NOBODY.

Yep.


Only 2 QB's in the history of the league are worth the first overall pick. Unless we are in a spot not to draft a QB, then it's "****, we missed out on the guy".

They can't release him until the 2013 season starts.

ROFL At you for being ignorant of NFL rules.

This just highlights why Clark's timing is perfect. He knew who would be the best coach to choose a franchise QB in this years draft. Pioli made some good foundation picks but proved he couldn't evaluate QB talent. Clark wasn't taking any more chances so he stepped in made big moves.

The Cardinals.

And if the Cards are trading up to #1, you can be damn sure they are trading t get the QB they want.

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There ya go Milk

If there's a QB there the Cardinals want, we will be taking him.

That's my point.

If we're trading out of the #1 spot, the QB we want will be taken by the team trading up.

So why trade out only to lose out on the QB?

I respect your sentiment but you act like you had a choice...you don't pick your teams, they pick you.

Because there is no Manning or Luck available there. Don't you knwo, it has to be a sure fire HOF QB in order to be worth the pick.

For the record I always liked Stafford over Sanchez, and said as much even to the Sanchez mob, liked Ryan and Luck/RGIII.

Really though, I find it hard to believe anyone in this draft is that much worse than the Bradford/Ponder/Tannehill types.

Let me ask you something. If you had last year's draft to do over, would you take Russell Wilson with your first? Because you'd have been laughed out of the building by all the 'pundits'.

**** the pundits. If you don't have a QB you're not going anywhere. Take the best guy, and don't take any chances.

Absolutely not. I wouldn't take him over Luck/RGIII today. He's done a great job, but I refuse to believe he'll have a better career than those other two guys, unless RGIII ends up a concussion disaster.

Chiefs next target should be Alex Smith. Geno won't come to the Chiefs and be a starter as a rookie. I'd like to see Alex Smith come to KC and start next year. I think he has some decent ball left in him, and was just starting to hit his stride and fulfill his potential.

We're talking in circles a bit.

My point is if there's a QB there that we want, we won't be trading down. The only way we trade down is if there's a QB don't want. Ad if we don't want a QB why the hell wild anybody else?

So you wouldn't have taken Wilson with our first? We didn't pass on luck or RG3
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Just shut up.

ROFL at you for being a total asshole that is unwilling to accept that you are wrong. Cassel was gone when he was pulled for Quinn and Crennel said the change was permanent. The NFL rules are only details that will drag out until required.

I see you still haven't replied to your Joe Montana mistake.

I didn't say that. Unless 'you' are Indy or Washington.

If a team calls to trade up, to the Chiefs, the most QB starved team in the NFL, the first question to ask is "Why are you trading down?"


People are acting like teams are gonna give up a Redskins haul to trade up for Jarvis Jones.

Nassib Syracuse

No one is saying the QB we draft is a done deal, he's gonna take developing. Just like every other positional player we take.

You're a ****ing moron.

He hasn't replied to the Montana reference because you are just talking semantics.

And the reason you want till the start of the fical year to cut Cassel is for cap considerations.

Oh, I read that as if we had the first pick in the draft. If you just meant first round pick, that might be a different story.

Although honestly, I don't know, I don't think he's Drew Brees. I'm still skeptical he will ever win a Super Bowl. But he's proven me wrong so far.

At the same time, he didn't have a single 300 yard game this year, and had 9 games of under 200 yards passing. He's a hard worker so he'll get better, but I still believe you have to throw the ball through the air to win it all. He's good, but I'm not sure he's THAT good.

If Cassel was gone, why did you come up with a hypothetical that had him as the starter next year?

You're a ****ing moron. That's why I haven't replied.

Well, you would have been right. I swung and missed pretty big with Sanchez. No question about this.

Tannehill is the guy who makes the analysis of this year's class absurd to me. If this is the type of prospect who goes #8 overall, you just cannot tell me that three guys in this year's class aren't at least of his caliber. At least.

And I'm really not trying to shit on Tannehill with this.

I'd rebut you and say that you are the moron, you didn't read the Joe Montana posts you just went off.

Hypothetical because Reid is a QB type Coach and he could possibly see something in Cassel that you, as a fan, don't see.

But if you want to just call each other names I can play that game too.

Admit that you were wrong with you Montana conclusion, easy to do if you actually know how to read.

You already said Cassel is gone.

So which is it? Is he gone or is he a potential starter?

Look, I'm not gonna ****ing debate with you when you can't even keep from contradicting yourself.

**** off, mouthbreather.

This.

Well I liked Sanchez too really, but I thought there was a clear difference between the two guys. Not many people have Stafford's arm. I think he's really just in a bad situation. He has talent. As much as people seem to love Rex Ryan his teams are always such a circus and he doesn't care enough about offense. But to be fair I liked Leinart over Vince Young too and that didn't work out. We just don't know how much these guys actually care about football.

But I'd agree with the Tannehill thing. I just wasn't excited about him, maybe it's because Luck and RGIII were so awesome, but he has looked competent out there. I don't know if it's the fact that pass defense is illegal now, but I feel like some of these QBs wouldn't have had as much success 15 years ago.

Gotta love a bad team hiring a downsliding coach who thought Mike Vick was a starting QB. I bring in Star L to stuff the run with Poe, another good move on my part.

You sir can get off of your high horse. This was mentioned on espn radio this morning as an option and its not that far-fetched. We're going to need more than one QB.

At first I thought I was dealing with an intelligent poster, alas I was wrong.

You did bring up that they can't release him due to NFL rules. So, WHAT IF (did you read that?) Reid wants to keep him around?
Reid probably won't consult fans to evaluate what Cassel might or might not have and if he is on the roster he has that option.

You can **** off, assbreather.

After the last several years whatever he thinks is best to get the Chiefs to the big dance. I will give him the same about 3-4 years for results before I call for his head.

Antifreeze.

That would be a good move on your part.