Barrett Jones is hardly a true C either. He's a guy who has shifted around the line just like Hudson

Hudson is a true center.


This is like the guys who want to switch Albert to guard so they can get a "true" LT.

I don't see any reason to replace Hudson at center. Sure we could draft another OG in the 3rd-5th round area and I would be cool with that. Adding another OG for challenging for a starting spot or at worst quality depth is fine in my book.

Dane has a colorful way of making good points

It drives me nuts when people still say that about Albert. The guy has played more games in his life at Lt than he did at guard! Plus the only reason he played G in college is because they had Da'Brickeshaw Ferguson at LT. Albert is a Pro Bowl level LT, leave him there!

He's just interviewing, right? Not hired yet, no? I'd say no scheme is guaranteed until someone is hired...after all, we thought Warhop was coming, right?

Like Milk said the other day it's refreshing to know Reid is flexible with scheme.

Is he bringing Jake Long with him?

Only way I am okay with letting Albert walk....

We can move him to guard!!!!

I was referring to moving Hudson.

He played G at FSU and played very well.

He didn't play much at C.

How is that when he didn't play it much in college?

I mean, I have no problem with him playing C, but I'd rather have a guy there who played the position mostly in college.

the only reason people are entertaining Albert to guard is he is the exact size of Evan Mathis and Todd Herremans, two guards on the Eagles that Andy Reid had a boner sized hard on for

also Danny Watkins, the 45 year old Canadian Fireman 1 year football player, is also 6'3'' 310 lbs, at guard, that Andy Reid reached for in the FIRST ROUND of a draft. Similar to Brandon Albert.

He likes big ****ing guards. That is a fact. I don't agree with it, but that's what Andy Reid will go out and find. If Jeff Allen is not progressing fast enough he is ****ed. Andy isnt going to just give spots away to these guys, he will bring in competition.

Whether that's a high draft pick is yet to be seen.

And it's not the same because Albert has established himself as a LT in the NFL.

So lets use the first overall pick on his replacement/ actual people

There are a lot of ways I am ok with letting Albert walk.. BUT you don't let an above average (barely) LT walk unless his back is going to be a concern or he is demanding top 5 money.

Sparano did draft Jake Long... and Long has struggled in Miami's new scheme.. and he is due a crap load of money making Martin a MUCH cheaper option for them. I wonder if we could get him for something as low as a 3rd rounder.

And Hudson was establishing himself as a C in the NFL before he got hurt. He was playing very well before the injury.

I may be wrong here, but isn't Long a free agent this year?

One thing I am sure of, though, Long is as overrated at LT as any in the last 20 years.

Yeah he's a FA.

Umm yeah, the second Andy tells Albert we are going to play him at guard he walks.

NOT going to happen.

Dumb statement. There are college tackles playing guard all over the NFL. Very normal.

LMAO

He gave up ONE SACK last season.

Get real, man. Man up and admit you were so, so ****ing wrong all along.

Yes he will be a free agent but I can see Miami tagging him. I'd love to get him without giving up anything but I doubt the rest of the league is as pigheadedly moronic about judging Long as you are.

Long would be a MASSIVE upgrade over Albert even in a ZBS which doesn't play to his strengths in the least.

Of course he has been battling injuries all year so (just like Albert) I'd want to be certain that isn't going to be an ongoing concern.

When it comes to Jake Long you really are a complete dumbass and I hope we sign him just to piss you off.

No I am not wrong. Albert is a top 15 LT NOT a top 10 LT... that makes him above average... but not by a lot. If you think he is a top 5 or even top 8 LT than you have ZERO ability to evaluate the position. Something YOU have proven time and again.

I am not advocating letting Albert go, he is above average and we have bigger needs to address but the idiots like you who think he is ALL WORLD are dead wrong.

Sorry Austin, I am not pigheadedly moronic about Long.

He is a good, but not great, LT that is at best, a marginal upgrade to Albert, and I think Albert is still growing, while Long is pretty much at his ceiling.

ROFLROFL

Long gave up 4 sacks last season in only 745 snaps. He also had more penalties than Albert.

You can't blame that on scheme.

He is not better than Albert. Not by a long shot.

If I am the Rams I go after Jake Long. Sign Long, draft Warmack and give Bradford zero excuses to suck.

I'd like to see the top 10 offensive tackles in the NFL ranked by one metric.

The total amount of sacks allowed all year divided into the total amount of sacks the opposing defenders had that he faced.

That would give a good metric to gauge how well the player actually performs.

so you have a hard on for Jake Long

but Brandon Albert isnt top 5?

then please, name me 5 LTs better

Joe Thomas
Jason Peters

who else. Dont say the idiot from Denver either

The only thing I'm concerned about Albert with is his back.

Long has plenty of injury problems too.

He is great but I do agree that the upgrade isn't worth the money if we use a zone blocking scheme.

Long is super overhyped. He's a good player, but he's not a top LT.

Yep, I worry slightly more with Albert because it is his back but when it comes to injuries it's a crap shoot and Albert could be fine.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. NO ONE except complete morons and Chiefs homers think this. This statement alone proves that you have no clue.

Michigan homer on the loose

there are not 5 LTs I'd take as an upgrade to Albert currently in the NFL.

ROFLROFLROFL

You are a joke with this Long stuff. Great players don't have a season like he had this year.

Except that you are relying on uninformed people like GoChiefs to decide when a sack is given up by a particular player. that is impossible to determine if you don't know the responsibilities on each and every play. Sounds great in theory, impossible to accurately measure.

There's a reason he's going to hit the open market, too.

Damaged goods.

Austin is a big Wolverine, IIRC.

Take of the college glasses there man.

Pro Football Focus really isn't "uninformed". Just sayin.

Jake Long....

22nd in pass blocking efficiency in 2012.

25th in pass blocking efficiency in 2011.

HE IS A GREAT PLAYER.

GREAT.

A guy with head coaching experience to coach the line?

Get it done, nothing not to like about that.

You're ****ing serious with this shit. It's not hard to tell when a guy gets beat by a player he's supposed to be blocking.

Incredible. ROFL

it's kind of funny in this thread alone

you call him a GREAT player and defend him, but mention "HMMM I WONDER IF THE CHIEFS COULD GET HIM FOR A 3RD ROUNDER ON THE CHEAP" like this is a Madden video game.

Newsflash, if he was a great player, he's not being traded for a 3rd rounder.

THIS... statement is garbage.

What did we give up for roaf?


And I'm not comparing the two, roaf was definitely great and also had health issues
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I know you've posted before, but how does Albert compare, and how do they rate as run blockers?

Just a guess, but Albert has to be top 10 in pass protection and around 15 in run blocking, while Long is probaly top 12 in run blocking.

If I'm giving up a 3rd round pick, it's for a CB or a DE that can rusht he passer. Not a LT.

2nd, and his knee issues were considered to be career threatening.

i read it as a fourth that moved to a two by playing clauses
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A coonditioal 4th.

Joe Thomas
Jason Peters
Jake Long
Duane Brown
Andrew Whitworth

I can keep going if you need more.

Don't remember if it was conditional, just remember that it was a 2nd round pick that we eventually gave up.

This for a HoF, and probably top 3 LT ever.

Jake Long was by far a better run blocker than Albert before his injury. But the last two seasons, even though Albert's run blocking grade hasn't been great, it was still better than Long's.

Albert the last two seasons was 7th and 8th in PBE.

Long was nothing even close to good last year. He didn't even have a positive grade.

Didn't Peters blow his Achilles twice?
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Duane Brown and Brandon Albert are basically the same

I will give you Thomas and Peters are the two best by far.

Albert is definitely better than Long and Whitworth

When it comes to certain stats yes they are. You do know it is just some random dudes watching regular game tape, right? You and I could start a website that does the exact same thing and be no more or less of an "authority."

Jake Long has been ****ing awful the last 2 years. Awful

And you know on each and every play who that player was supposed to block? right? you KNOW on every play what every player's assignment was supposed to be and when the play breaks down? ****ing idiot.

let albert walk and trade a 3rd for long...


AustinComo...

No, he was not AWFUL. Although he wasn't great THIS year I'll admit that. Injuries and a scheme change certainly didn't help.

well yea, anybody that has played the sport of football can figure that out

how else do football players themselves breakdown and study film lol?

LMAO

This was his worst year as a pro.

You are an ostrich.

Austin isn't CoMo in any way.

He just has a Michigan homer blindness when it comes to Long.

Again, I said you DON'T let Albert walk unless his back is a major concern or he wants Top 5 money.

It amazes me how NO ONE outside of KC thinks Albert is anything special but on CP because of idiots like GoChiefs he is a hall of famer.

He is in the 8-15 range among LTs... plenty good enough to keep around but not someone you go crazy about.

that idea is absolutely ridicule worthy...and this is the planet...

Again, it is not hard to tell if a left tackle is getting beat in pass protection. It is typically obvious to everyone.

You are grasping at straws.

So there are 8 better LT's than Albert in the NFL?

Again, he's using Pro Football Focus.

They absolutely DO watch every play and employ several people who played/coached the game.

there isnt he tried naming 5 and threw in Andrew Shitworth and Jake Schlong and well Albert is a ****load better than both of them and it's not even close

I will admit to being Long-biased BUT at least I am honest about Albert. I have no desire to see him leave because we have much bigger needs. I just want to debunk the myth that some here have that place him as a top 5 LT. I hope someday he is but he sure as shit isn't NOW. And it's laughable to here people say there aren;t 5 LTs they'd rather have. Do you people even watch the games?

you said Albert wasn't a top 10 LT

now you're saying "top 8..." because people are laughing at you...and as if being #8 is some how a knock on Albert

it's ok, every college fan has some player they can't see straight about...bosschief would have drafted stanzi in the 2nd

Joe Thomas
Joe Staley (maybe)?

I'd say Albert is right there with Brown

So...Sparano would probably move us away from zone blocking....how suited are our presumed returning starters for a man scheme?

I already answered this. Eric Winston sucks big donkey cock at man

No they don't unless they just starting hiring them last year. Before last year(when I last checked out the operation) it was just a bunch of guys. Most of whom had never even PLAYED the game much less coached it. A few years before THAT it was TWO guys in England. That's it. One of which had never even watched football until he was an adult.

Reid is a ZBS guy, Sparano is a man guy. Have to wait and see. Seeing as we are set for a ZBS, I'd say we would stay with that.

Because THEY know what the play called for? How the **** is this not evident? Yes, on many plays you can guess and be right about things... on many others you simply can't without knowing the playbook and blocking assignments.

The ONLY way I'd trade for Long and let Albert walk is if BOTH Albert and Bowe want out and we try to fill the LT spot while tagging Bowe.