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Why is it so hard for people to understand that the Chiefs arent going to give any information away? You guys are stressing out over nothing. How many more threads are we going to have like this?

You'd take Glennon/Bray at 6?

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meant to put esque. I'm a horrible speller.

oh and chad p didn't move like he had poop pants and cement shoes.

I love the logic. The Packers drafted Rodgers late first, so why draft a QB #1? The Seahawks drafted Wilson in the 3rd, so why draft a QB #1? The Patriots drafted Brady in the 6th, so why draft a QB #1? Like all these guys are the norm and not the exceptions that prove the rule. Tons and tons of great QBs just sitting there every year! Why spend the pick on a QB when there are bargains to be had! The next Tyler Thigpen is sitting out there, I promise! Or the next Brodie Croyle! Or the next Ricky Stanzi! Or the next James Kilian! There has to be a Jeff Smoker out there somewhere!

Yeah, let's keep being the bargain basement team. Why use the #1 pick at all? Let's just trade out of there and avoid that potential big mistake that'll set the franchise back for a decade (I ain't never heard of this thing called 'the CBA'). Let's collect a bunch of middle round picks so we can get more 'guys' to drool over on the practice squad for the next three years until they're cut. Maybe we can find some more training camp hero quarterbacks that don't actually ever do anything in training camp or on the field in the NFL. Guys who might be real stars if only they got a chance, golly gee whiz.

(This post is about the fanbase, not the management.)

gold star :D

Why not, he's a 2nd round quarterback, according to reports Andy Reid is pretty good at developing QB's, why not take a athletic quarterback like him in the 2nd if you dont draft a QB in the first round.

At least two documented while playing for Arkansas. Since college does not have to report injuries there is good chance it has been more.

Because E.J. Manuel isn't good.

Okay so we can say for sure 2 because you could throw out the possibly more option about anybody.

Is it a concern? Yes. But he's still a very close #2 in my book. Too much talent IMO to take him off.

There is going to 100s of them...

I have 100% faith in Dorsey and Reid. I'm worried ZERO%. Whatever they choose is fine with me.

Can't wait...:harumph:

ROFL:popcorn:

Just wait until the combine.

Somebody will seperate and cause the entire media to jizz.

I agree, but I just don't think the FO sees the value in him. Clark has pretty much flat out said that they don't think there is a franchise QB in the draft. I think Reid sees some QBs that he thinks would make servicable QBs under his mentoring, but given the Cards and Bills stated desperation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid and Dorsey try to take advantage of them and fill a lot of other holes on the team and still get a QB that they rate in the same neighborhood as Geno.

IF I felt Geno is not worh the # 1 pick, that's exactly what I'd do. For the record - I hope that's what they do.

Oh **** that noise!!! We EARNED the number overall pick! Anyone remember that 2-14 season a few years ago? The year we picked THIRD overall in 2009? We'll pick first overall, and Hunt WILL LIKE IT!!!1

Clark is a fan. And I wouldn't believe anything that anybody says this soon before the draft.

There is unquestionably a consensus #1 for the Chiefs:

Geno Smith

He is, without question, the best quarterback in this draft.

As well, there is no one else in this draft that has been as good at their respective positions at a position of impact then Geno Smith has over the past three collegiate football seasons.

Jarvis Jones lacks elite speed and has a degenerative neck injury that the USC medical staff wouldn't clear him of.

Luke Joeckel wasn't even the best offensive tackle prospect on his team and he's coming from a true first read, dump off spread system with Fran Tarkenton Jr. as his QB. The guy hasn't truly pass blocked and will require a huge learning/adjustment curve at the next level. And he's not the prospect that Okung, Long or Thomas were. In fact, I don't think he's at the same level as Nate Solder or Anthony Castonzo either. He's more of a poor man's Matt Kalil. A finesse guy who is going to have to be in a zone block scheme with a solid guard next to him.

Chance Warmack is a guard. And he's not at the same level as David DeCastro from last year, who went #24. And he's not even the best O-line guy on his team, which would be Barrett Jones, who has to have lisfranc surgery.

DeMontre Moore, Barkevious Mingo and Dion Jordan are all the exact same player. Very good, but not Von Miller good and they all have to develop better run defense skills.

Starlite Lotulelei is a very good player. But he's not an upfield disruptor and Ohio State's John Hankins might even be a more versatile player than Lotulelei. I'd even argue that taking Star's teammate Joe Kruger would be a better option for the Chiefs than Star himself. And after taking Poe with the eleventh pick last season, anyone wanting the exact same guy with the #1 this season should be shot in the face.

Bjoern Werner is tenacious and tough. But he got his sacks in bunches and there were stretches where he was a non-factor.

Dee Milliner is a very good, very solid player. But so are Xavier Rhodes, David Amerson and Jon Banks - and one of those guys will be available at the top of the second round.

There will be no Geno at the top of the second round. There will be no Geno if the Chiefs trade out of the #1 spot.

There are a lot of good players in this draft. I think its deep and talented. But no one has been as good as Geno has been at there respective positions, and then you consider that Geno plays the most critical position on the field, then it's a no brainer.

Trading down is going full reerun. Not picking Geno is going full reerun+.

You should really check out the Cards.

John Skelton: 2 TDs 9INTs 55.4 QB Rating
Ryan Lindley: 0 TDs 7INTs 46.7 QB Rating

vs

Matt Cassel: 6TDs 12INTs 66.7 QB Rating
Brady Quinn: 2TDs 8INTs 60.1 QB Rating

BRADY QUINN WAS BETTER THAN THE CARDS QBs.

Well, if Reid doesn't think Geno Smith is a franchise guy after watching all of the tape, then I am fine with not taking him, I guess. I'm not happy about it, but I won't fly a banner.

That doesn't mean that Reid can't be wrong, obviously. I am sure he has passed on franchise quarterbacks in the past. However, I think it is at least as likely that we are all drooling over a guy we think is a franchise QB but is not.

At this point, one of us is dead wrong. So, who is it? The single expert who, even in a field of knowledgeable professionals, is considered one of the better assessors of talent? Or the large group that lacks the expertise, but makes up for it in wide confirmation of opinion?

I'll say it's a 50/50 at this point.

Maybe the Chiefs are trying to trade down, because the truth is we have multiple holes and we'd just love to get our hands on both Geno and a pass rusher, or Wilson AND a cornerback.

And maybe the Chiefs believe that the hate for this QB class is widespread and no one is going to jump on a guy. Maybe they believe they can trade down and still land a guy who is one of the most talented later in the first round.

It's not crazy - that shit happens. I'm not going to freak out just yet, even though all signs point to the Kansas City Chiefs taking their first ever #1 overall draft pick and passing on a franchise quarterback, despite having some of the historically worst QB play ever the past two years.

Le sigh...

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the third round last year?

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the second round last year? (And yes, I know that they "envisioned" Allen at guard, but he was a four year starter at left tackle and played the position extremely well.)

You do realize that they took the best guard (and I'd argue best all-around offensive lineman) in the draft in 2011?

You do realize that they took an All-American guard in 2010 in the third round?

You do realize that they signed one of the top three right tackles in the NFL as a free agent last year?

You do realize that they already have a top 15 left tackle coming into the prime of his career that they could franchise, but will most likely resign?

I mean, seriously...

Taking a offensive lineman in anything above the sixth or seventh round for depth this next draft would be so completely stupid that it might actually redefine the definition of stupid. Blackbobian commentary at it's finest.

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Who are you and why are you using Saccopoo's account?

Great points. Just didn't feel like quoting the whole thing to tell you it was good.

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I'm going to have to invest in a new repstick. This one is getting worn out.

Look. I want Geno. That is my preference. Based on what is coming out of One Arrowhead Way, however, I'm starting to temper my expectations. Tell Reid, Clark and Dorsey your opinion, not me.

FFS.....people have been screaming for years about how you should build the team AND THEN draft the QB. Well guess what ****ers? We ****ing did. It was dumb....but we ****ing did it.

Young and talented offensive line? Check.
RB who can take the heat off of the QB? Check.
Talented WRs? Check. (I still think half of Baldwin's problems were coaching and the QB position)

We have the perfect opportunity right in front of us. We upgraded our coaching and we have the ability to draft a damn good QB. Yet there are still ****ing people that want to keep waiting until the next year for a QB.

how is this possible?

mind = blown

I wanna + Rep all over your face :clap:

If Dorsey and Reid believe Geno Smith is "without question" the best quarterback in the draft, I find it hard to believe they won't take him #1. No first year GM/HC duo is going to pass on the "without question" best QB in the draft. Too bad we can't get a peak at the GB draft board.

If they DON'T take him, it won't be they don't understand the importance of a franchise QB, it will be they don't think Geno is that good.

Really? Let's compare three recent highly touted three year starters at QB's career numbers:

Geno Smith

988/1465
67.4% completion
11,662 yards
8.0 ypa
98 TDs
21 Ints
153.5 rating

Andrew Luck

713/1064
67.0%
9430 yards
8.9 ypa
82 TDs
22 Ints
162.8 rating

Robert Griffin

800/1192
67.1%
10,366 yards
8.7 ypa
78 TDs
17 Ints
158.9 rating

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1000's of them ... literally 1000's

each time some John Doe blogger from BFE predicts the Chiefs will do 'xxxx' in the draft we will get a thread cussing out the Chiefs for being stupid ... even though the team didn't do anything.

Brock Osweiler was a 2nd round QB, too.

Project QBs are okay as long as they demonstrate at least a faint streak of accuracy, pocket presence, and any/all other important trait in a franchise QB.

Osweiler wasn't consistently accurate enough in college. Neither is Manuel.

There's a HUGE difference between spending a pick on Barkley and pissing away a 2nd on Manuel or Osweiler.

What holes are you going to fill with a bunch of mid-round picks?

Seriously. I'd like to know.

I'd rather spend that 2nd round pick on Kirk Cousins than draft EJ Manuel. And I ****ing hate Kirk Cousins with every fiber of my being.

THAT'S what I think of EJ Manuel.

Guys there will be tons of smoke until the draft. Always is.

This roster needs more Allen Baileys and Alex Magees

you got the RB part right but that's about it lol

You really have a problem with this offensive line? It needs to be tweaked, not overhauled.

We've got bookend tackles FFS. What more do you want?

right now you have 1 bookend tackle under contract with no crystal ball to say otherwise.

in a month or two the picture will become much more clearer obviously, but if there season started tomorrow, there are clearly holes. You have to see what they do with Albert before people start bragging about the o-line like it's actually in tact. Same with WR.

Manuel is a wimp.

You could be so awesome if you would just put down the Tyler Bray crackpipe...

so that must mean that there will always be a QB in the 3rd round that's going to be awesome. :rolleyes:

Andy Reid probably doesn't know anything about him at this point. He was running the Eagles throughout the college season, and he's been spending every minute of the current offseason here in KC working on his new staff and learning about the Chiefs roster.

If Andy Reid doesn't think that much of Geno Smith at the end of March, then there's an elephant in the room.

Ha. Barkley. USC quarterbacks have a terrible rep in NFL. After he shat the bed this year, why would anyone want him?

I'm an offensive line homer, but I concur with everything Saccopoo has said.

I'm firmly in the Geno Smith camp and will be disappointed if the Chiefs go in a different direction. We have a lot of things in place. We can address other areas of need in FA and the rest of the draft. We need to invest in a QB and have an incredible opportunity to do so with the 1st pick in the draft. Do it.

I'm a little concerned that the Jets might be reading this and offer Saccopoo their GM spot. I hear they are open to anybody.

Manuel is more Joe Webb than he is Russell Wilson.

Geno or DIE

anything at this point is pretty irrelevant. It's all speculation. When the combine starts, coaches will be completely blown away by Geno Smith and he will then be the clear cut #1 option.

I think sooo much can change between now and the draft, there is no need to get worked up about all these hints about what they are going to do. I think they're simply not telegraphing their moves...by saying "we are going QB 1" If Reid goes to the senior bowl/combine and falls in love with some guy, I he'll get him...

It's not complicated though. Just sign. You act like we have to search for a new LT. The guy is there. Sign him and move on to something else.

Geno has the higher upside but I think Wilson might be the better qb right now.

This actually seems like a good year to find someone wanting to trade up. There's a single LT and a single DT who look like they are the best available at their position by far. Any team looking for either of those positions could be tempted to trade up to make sure they got their guy.

Edit: Oh, btw, the "mystery player[s]" are Luke Joeckel (LT) and Star Lotulelei (DT)

But, but...

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Who are the other DTs filling the top of the draft besides Star Lotulelei? I've seen Sheldon Richardson mentioned in a few places, but most of the stuff I've read has Lotulelei standing alone.

I think Lotuleilei is not that separated from Hankings, Floyd, and Richardson (I might be forgetting someone).

DT is actually pretty deep in this draft.

When was the last time someone traded out of the 1 spot. This is a fishing lure designed to see what we could catch gentlemen.

Star Lotulelei isn't going to play nose tackle in the 3-4 anyway. Did we learn nothing from Tyson Jackson?

There's a million "reports" every single day about everything under the sun. It's all meaningless.

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Has a team holding the top pick, that needed a qb DESPERATELY, ever came out and said they would trade the pick? There is NO CHANCE Clark made his comments based on his own evaluations of the college quarterbacks...he has been told what he knows.

Things might change, but right now these guys don't think there is a qb worth the top pick and it makes me sick.

Dorsey has made comments about the qb crop...Hunt has made comments about the lacking quality of this qb crop and how the team will be open to trade up offers.

I know things can change drastically, but there would be no point in making those statements under false pretenses BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TOP PICK.

You and me both.

They just started. Be patient.

I'm trying...I'm also not gonna cover my ears and say lalalalala over and over and ignore the obvious...which is that before interviews and workouts, these guys don't think Geno (or another qb) is worth the top pick.

I'm disappointed is all.

People aren't happy unless there is something to freak out about.

Yep, if it's going to QB at #1, at some point we will start hearing chatter about who they like. No point in hiding it really because do teams trade into the #1 position if there is no elite QB to take? We going to be drafting at #1 almost certainly, at this point, I don't think they plan on taking Smith, but of course that can change if Smith or whatever QB wows them at the combine.

btw, from the point of view of attempting to maximize any possible trade value of the pick, they should TALKING UP how great this year's crop of QBs are, shouldn't they?

I firmly believe Andy Reid is one of the greatest offensive minds in the history of the game. I have full confidence in him to find the right personnel and put them in positions to make plays. We're fine there.

Pre-draft smoke screens and bull shit. I would like to sell a 1987 volkswagon for $45,000 but thats a dream too. Really, NFL predraft is worse then a presidential election...everybody is full of it.

Nobody is "freaking out"

Just some of us choose not to have our head in the sand regarding the biggest decision this team has to make in the last 30 years and the decision makers eluding to the fact we might not take advantage of the opportunity AGAIN.

Dorsey CLEARLY said we will take BPA
Clark said he is open to trading the pick and didn't sound confident in the qb class.

I've said ALL ALONG, going back to a few days after the KSt game that Genos stock would skyrocket after the combine and interviews, but I didn't expect these types of direct comments to be made at this point.

Exactly.

I think positional value will go in to selecting BPA.

you do realize crazier things have happened right lol

So you think this is a ploy to get Albert signed?

Dorsey said yesterday "Who makes the calls? I do." when addressing that point which is what I think that poster in referring to.

That would be ridiculous considering the Chiefs could just tag him.