Geno is the pick. It is....what it is.
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I've posted this many times...
Jaguars @ 2 (and 33) Raiders @ 3 Eagles @ 4 Cardinals @ 7 Bills @8 Jets @ 9 All need a starting QB badly. Chargers @ 11 Saints @ 15 Cowboys @ 18 Broncos @ 28 Ravens @ 29 All have either declining, aging or potentially departing QBs. That's why it makes NO SENSE to bet on the second-best QB falling to pick No. 34 (or, really, even No. 8). |
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If you're talking about the lead guys that work for teams, coordinating efforts? Sure. But most scouts are just sports-obsessed guy who are willing to work hard and pay to be certified as a scout. I should know. I worked with several of them and explored early steps in gaining certification myself. I also do some amateur college hoops scouting in the area for a few national writers. The line between "Smart fan that pays attention and puts in the time" and "certified scout" is not as big as you think. |
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Easier to get into baseball ones than football, I think. But it's been a long time since I was poking around that stuff. Things might have changed. |
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I did the sports journalist thing, long enough to realize that it sounds better than it actually is. It's hard to enjoy sports when it's your job. |
Smith and Wilson will be long gone by the time trading up is within reasonable range you moron.
Everyone questioned the McNabb pick which turned out Ok. Geno is a better prospect. |
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When we pick Smith, I might have to change my name to "Sweet Dick Geno".
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"He's the best tackle i've ever seen" LMAO
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I'm down. |
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The Nassib thoughts are picking up steam lately. That kid is either going to be a monster or a total bust. No in between with him.
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Here's my big question -
If Geno Smith isn't worth the #1 overall pick, what pick is he worth? 7? 10? 15? At what point would the Chiefs look at the board and say, "He's our guy." Because it seems to me that, if he isn't worth the #1 overall pick, then he isn't worth a first round pick period. And since our 2nd rounder is basically a first, would they even take him there? What's the ****ing difference between getting him at 1 and getting him at #34? Either way, he is going to be your QB for the foreseeable future. Either way, you're probably not drafting a first round QB next year. So why wouldn't you just take him at #1? I still can't believe there's a single player in this draft who is appreciably better than Geno Smith. I just don't believe in Best Player Available. Or, rather, I believe it should be Most IMPACTFUL Player Available. The MIPA. You cannot tell me there is a more impactful player than Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson - whoever is better - in this draft. Star Lotuleilei will not give you more wins than Geno or Wilson. He won't. Period. Joeckel won't either. What, he's going to come in and allow ZERO sacks? Because that's the only way to improve on Albert's play this year. It's just so ****ing infuriating. It makes no sense to have turned our backs on the QB position in this draft already. |
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In spite of the fact that 2 years ago in the playoffs, those two QBs met face-to-face and Rodgers put on one of the greatest performances I've ever seen from a QB in the playoffs. It was ****ing zen. He made all the throws look easy, and that's even against some pretty aggressive tight coverage the Falcons were playing. He dominated Ryan and made him look like a giant smelly turd. I don't ****ing give a shit about regular season comebacks. The regular season can go **** its dad. |
Where would we be if that coin flip with Atlanta went our way....
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I'm surprised they allow so many clowns to submit work. |
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I am not going to go one way or another until the combine is done.
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Why do other people here continually say "He sucks"? I realize that numbers do not tell the entire story but his numbers were nice and he has ideal size. |
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I really love his release and movement within the pocket. Slides/shrugs really well. Not as good as Geno but 2nd best in the draft IMO. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4tdBC9OF2CE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/O2lLS4r_77g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/WhgDOOq3hDY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Here's a small sample. Needs more touch/accuracy on deeper throws but does have a few nice ones. Not nearly as consistent on the deep ball as Geno |
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Wouldn't touch this kid higher than the 3rd round. Looks like a true developmental project with nice upside. Need and lack of risk associated with drafting QBs will artificially inflate his stock. |
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For quarterbacks, the important part of the combine is the interviews and the content of those interviews are kept under lock and key. I expect Geno to run a 4.7 40, but if he runs a 4.9 or even a 5flat, it wouldn't effect my opinion of him very much because I already know that he values his abilities as a passer far more than his ability to move the chains as a runner. That alone should allow him to have a sustained career that is very productive. |
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I'll echo what a lot of you have said here. If any QB is worth taking in the top 15, why not take him at #1? I think we're all pretty much in agreement that the biggest need on this Chiefs team is a QB. True, there isn't a Luck or RG3 this year, but how many drats have such players? Not many, so man up and take the best QB available and move on. Not rocket science, folks.
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That shouldn't be the criteria, IMO. Even McNabb didn't start his rookie season. |
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You think that an ot would have a bigger impact then a QB. You have got to be kidding me. Branden Albert gave up one damn sack last year. Why the **** would we waste that pick on his replacement. Also no ****ing way you are getting a QB as good as Geno with out second pick, Zero. |
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I'd be happy to try to take this kid off Jacksonville's hands for a fourth. He's a good bet for a reclamation project. Quote:
And as you're well aware, the odds of "hitting" with a QB taken in the third or later aren't real great, but it doesn't mean that it cannot happen, obviously. |
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But it would be nice to have a long term, competent back up QB. You know, a guy that wouldn't shit himself and is actually capable of winning games. |
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For a later round prospect to add to Geno I like Dysert over Nassib even though Nassib will probably go earlier. |
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The QB position on this team is so terrible that we have to throw numbers at the situation. I would have absolutely no problem with doing all three of the following: 1. Acquiring a legit "vet" option (such as a Flynn, whom I believe we could have for nominal cost if we're willing to take on the contract). 2. Drafting a QB whom we believe has franchise potential in the first, ideally. Definitely no later than the top of round two. 3. Throwing a late-round pick at a QB. At the very least, we must accomplish two of the three above options. |
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If Smith is the clear cut best option available in both the draft and in free agency/trade, and everyone else is a severe fall off the cliff compared to him (IE Smith is Matt Stafford and the next guy is Blaine Gabbert) then you take Smith. But if you say that Smith is going to be kind of in the same boat as a lot of these other guys, or you can get a guy in a later round that you feel has the makeup to succeed, then is there a better player available? For example, in hindsight it looks obvious, but in 2011 both Tennessee and JVille needed QB's and they identified Locker and Gabbert as top 10 worthy, and drafted them at 8 and 10 respectively. Meanwhile, JJ Watt go at 11, and Dalton and Kaepernick go in the second round. So Dorsey has a lot of different angles he has to look at. Is Smith truly the best? Will he fit in with what we do here and thrive? Do we give big money to Albert or is Joekel a significant, potential All-Pro upgrade? Is there a defender that is a game changer at that pick? Can we trade down? Will there be a QB in round 2 that will be a better fit for Reid? Can we trade back into the first round and take a QB who might not be significantly different than Smith? Etc. To me, if the answer is that Smith is by far the best QB available this year in the draft and free agency, and if there is no truly elite prospect in the draft, then the choice is simple. If Dorsey doesn't see much difference between Smith and Joekel talent wise, IE they both have upside but both have some warts, and elects to go with Joekel just because he is a "safer" pick, then that to me is like Jake Long over Matt Ryan, which is a mistake... |
Bleacher report is like TMZ it's bullshit! I gota wait til the senior bowl and combine and pro days before I guess who we'll pick
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There is almost NOTHING that should be considered over the top in the search for a bona-fide player at that position. |
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I would love to see three new options in camp next fall, with an open competition for the position. |
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For all the talk about people being "Geno crazy" it's pretty easy to see why. The rhetoric against varies between ignorant and downright stupid. |
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For the guys who don't want to draft Geno #1, where/who do we get who's better? If we don't draft a QB #1 it's because we sign or trade for someone better? Who is it?
Fact is we have to go into the season with the best QB possible. I'm OK with signing a veteran also as long as we get Geno. Geno might need time to work on the mechanics and mental reps of this style. Go into the season with the safety plan, but if Geno shows he's ready during Pre-Season then start him day one. |
Does Joekel improve our team over Albert more than Smith improves our team over Quinn or Cassel? I think the answer should be obvious.
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No thanks |
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The thing we have to worry about is the Jags or Raiders falling in love with Geno and worried we will take him, so they throw some blockbuster trade at us. If that happens, Dorsey will probably bite. |
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The top quarterback prospects ALWAYS bypass throwing at the combine. It's for multiple reasons... 1) they would be throwing to receivers they have spent only a day or two with and have no timing with and if their passes hit the ground, that marks against them, sometimes unfairly. 2) they want to throw at their proday because it not only helps them by throwing to familiar players, but it also gets their teammates more exposure to gms and scouts. 3) their agents advise against it because there is NOTHING to gain and EVERYTHING to lose. Mark Sanchez was the only top QB that I can remember that threw at the combine....I'm not sure I remember any of the previous first overall quarterbacks doing so. |
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I would bet there will be a qb taken in the second round that will have a better career than Smith. Someone like Landry Jones might be that type of guy. |
When a QB works out, it doesn't matter where he was picked.
The guys who thought Brett Favre, Andy Dalton, Drew Brees, Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson and Aaron Rodgers weren't worth top 5 picks were fools. If you identify a guy you think has a chance at leading your team, you take him as soon as you get a chance and that includes trading up to do so. If we pass on a QB at the top pick, we deserve what we get. |
Who wouldn't go back and take Joe Flacco over Glenn Dorsey?
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But outside of this forum and a few ****ing dumbasses with websites, he's not the #1 overall pick and in some cases, isn't in the first round. I do not understand what he gains by not throwing. If anything, it'll make the QB picture even more clouded, make scouts and GM's dig even deeper for flaws and puts an enormous amount of pressure on him to perform at his Pro Day. |
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KC, JACKSONVILLE, ARIZONA, OAKLAND, and BUFFALO ALL NEED QB'S. |
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There are 3 full seasons of tape of his throwing motion...for quarterbacks, the combine is for the interviews and to gauge athleticism through some individual drills. Nothing more. |
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If these guys let Albert walk and draft Joeckel...the gloves are coming off and the honeymoon will OFFICIALLY be over.
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I don't know why so many of you guys get so worked up about opinions before the combine. We aren't going to know shit until March.
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I'm not! |
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Does anyone, at this point? |
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Also, there is no way that the best QB in the draft ISN'T worth at least the 12th pick in the draft, therefore, he should be taken #1 overall. Basically, if Dan McGuire is available, TAKE HIM. |
This guy really said Joeckel was the best tackle he'd ever seen? LMAO
How can you say that on national airwaves? |
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I keep pounding it home: Cam Newton had ONE 3,000-yard passing season in college. |
Joeckel is pretty good. The kid can move and has really good hands.
The thing is, he is basically the same type of prospect Albert was...so, why let Albert go and draft this kid when we have the worst quarterback situation in the whole league? That just doesn't make sense. |
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You've Dysert, Manuel, and that's about it IMO. All the other QBs are going in the 1st. |
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