ummmm.... no, that would be really dumb

although I'm happy to move ahead with Foles in Philly, you'd rather go with another young guy if that's your route, e.g. Geno

better off with a real vet, e.g. Kevin Kolb, if you are going to wait for the franchise guy until next year



to clarify: Foles already is in Philly, we don't need to trade anything, etc. to get him, we are in a stop gap scenario with a college coach coming in, we can run Foles for a year and then replace him ; you guys have #1 so if you want to go young this year then get Geno

I don't see the price to acquire Foles being reasonable. Philly needs QBs just as bad as KC does. Why would they let him go for anything less than too much? I realize he doesn't fit what people think Kelly will want, but they aren't going to let him go for a song with no other experienced QB on their roster.

His price will be higher than his value. Just no.

yeah, i'm sure that is right

a swap from #1 to #4 and then the 2nd rounder of the Eagles but what else do you get? Jeremy Maclin? doubt Kelly wants to let him go as he fits Kelly's O

doubt the Eagles will push 2014 1st rounder into the mix as well, but ya never know

Your an Eagles fan is that right? Yet you go by ChiefBoyRDEE? Miss leading user name BaNHammer lol

yeah, that's right, but i'm interested in being a serious contributor here

if i'm still posting and you guys are ok with that in a couple months i pledge to change my user name if that helps everyone


redundant info: i've posted this a couple times but just to get it out there for sure, i'm overseas and one of my closest friends/colleagues is another American from Kansas, went to KU, huge Chiefs and Jayhawk fan ; SO, we take an interest in each other's teams and this AR coincidence and me on the Eagle message board brought me here

You don't have to explain yourself every time someone questions your allegiance. This place just likes to hammer on noobs to run off the dumbshits. Just do your thing and the rest will work itself out.

i imagine weasels eating a huge block of cheese when i read this post

Stanzi shouldn't be on any ****ing lists. He's trash.

are you ranking hot dog vendors?

yes, i understand how these things work but this situation is special cause of the run of n00bs

anyway, thanks for the clarification, appreciate it

Wait, wait, wait... you want to keep Cassel around?

1st order of business if I was Reid would be to cut Cassel and Jackson. Do it whenever it's best financially for the team's cap space...like after June 1st or whenever...I'm not very good at knowing when to cut a guy/how it effects the cap etc. I can never grasp that. Whenever it's the best time to do it, do it and free up $$$ for FA.

If Josh Freeman isn't resigned by the Bucs, then I'd make a strong push for the guy. He has talent, he would be better off in his hometown playing for a team he grew up watching and rooting for, playing with better talent and better coaching. It'd be a good/safe match IMO.

It's stupid to trade for someone who's just going to be a backup...esp anything that's a 5th rd pick or earlier. Trading for Foles IMO would be a stupid move unless it's for like a 6th or 7th draft pick. I doubt Philly would be willing to let go of him for that cheap of a price, but ya never know...Foles may not fit at all in Kelly's system and they may have no use for him.

I'd resign Bowe and Albert and do 1 of 2 things...

If the Chiefs can't trade out of the first overall pick, then I'd select LT Luke Joeckel #1 and move Albert to guard and have the best OL in the NFL. I think Freeman behind a great OL, with Charles in the backfield could do wonders. Then select the best QB available in the 2nd round.

If you can trade down from the 1st overall pick then I'd select QB Tyler Wilson and then pick up some other picks in the 2nd and 3rd rds possibly. Then take Barrett Jones in the 2nd. (Jones could play tackle if he had to) essentially you have 4 guys that can play tackle and 5 possible interior OL. Utility OL are valuable, esp if you have injuries on the Oline, like we had last season.

Only moron would use the #1 pick overall to upgrade guard.

And you continue to display your moronacy every time you post.

John Doresy "Hello Branden. Good to talk to you. We know that you played at a high level, top 10 LT level last year, but we want to move you to guard, so we want to sign you to guard money"

Branden Albert "Shut the **** up."

LOL that's what I would expect LOL

Why in the world would Brandon Alberts demote himself when he can go to another team and command LT money?

He'd be a stellar backup for us

You're upgrading both LT and LG dumbass.

i thought foles performed admirably given the shit storm he was thrown into...

don't see why the eagles would give him up, as he costs nothing....

Sign Albert before the draft.

If he's overpaid a little to stay here and help form the best Oline in the NFL then so be it. Thats why you cut Cassel and Jackson. Apparantly you forgot what a top Oline can do for a team. I guess you forgot that we hardly scored any points last season. And yes there were multiple games where our Oline crapped their pants...so yes the Oline can improve and should be a priority.

Personally I'd drraft Barrett Jones to start at center and move Hudson into his natural guard position, where he was an All-American at FSU.

LT-Joeckel
LG-Albert
C -Jones
RG-Hudson
RT-Winston

That follks is the best Oline in the NFL.

this has to be trolling

You're an ASSamoah!!!

No you are not.

Branden Albert has only begun to touch his potential, and his ceiling and Joekel's are much the same.

You are replacing a top 10, possibly top 5 LT with a guy who has the potential to be a top 10, possibly top 5 LT, and you are doing with a guy that is probably going to take 3 years to begin to reach his potential.

The only damn spot you are upgrading with that pick is guard.

Joeckel will be a better LT than Albert, he's also someone that will be able to step in and play very well at a high level immediately. Not to mention if a OT happens to get injured there's some shuffeling we could do and not skip a beat.

Allen and Asamoah makes great depth. They didn't exactly play well last season. Our interior line needs to be upgraded.

We need a QB and Geno Smith will be a stud in the pros. No other pick would help our team more than Geno Smith would. We had the worst scoring offense in the league well that is because of shit QBs in Cassell and Quinn. Jamaal Charles made huge plays running the ball with that offensive line, so it was QB that held us back. Yes our OL needs to improve, but take the best option for a QB first. Then build the team around him. Geno Smith can throw for touchdowns Joeckel cannot.

Wilson is a better QB (or will be) than Geno.

He will be a better LT than Albert?

You mean a better LT than one that only gave up 1 sack to QBs that have absolutely no pocket awareness, that play themselves into sacks?

Better than a guy who was among the best in run blocking?

And do you even watch football?

These OTs coming from spread offenses are taking 3 years to adapt to the NFL game.

Russel Okung was every bit as good a prospect as Joekel, and he just started to play to his potential this year.

That Smith kid the Rams drafted was another highly rated prospect who hasn't adapted, and has landed at the RT spot beacuse he couldn't.

Get a ****ing clue.

I wouldn't be upset if we picked Wilson, I would rather pick Geno Smith I like him better. Any other position than QB with our first pick would be just ****ing stupid. Also that is your opion that Wilson is better about Wilson, I think Geno is going be the best QB in this class.

And yet, almost every draft site has Smith rated higher than Wilson.

Of course, this from the dumb**** that thinks the answer to the QB problem is to try to lure Brett Favre out of retirement.

LMAO Come on man!

I have to assume you are trolling at this point.

Albert has already played 5 seasons at LT. reerun.

This


ROFLROFL

Is Reid always wearing all black to look slimmer?

No problem dude. Trolls are what we don't tolerate and you don't fit into that category.

Even Chief fans have to have a thick skin to last here. It gets kind of rough. It's the least moderated football board on the internet. It's a helluva lot more interesting especially in the long off season. Gave you some rep. If you are red, everyone will think you are a troll.

You need to stick to government conspiracy's.

How many sacks did Albert give up last year?

Is Albert a top 5 LT, no. But, he's good enough for us to not waste a out top pick on a LT.

Pay Albert and franchise or pay Bowe a reasonable contract. It's a no brainer.

Says the guy that keeps beating the drum that Tyler Wilson is making it out of the top ten. I'll take my chances with a QB.

**** no and jeez Como's dumb

First, I want to make it clear I don't want to do this, I just am curious about the franchise tag and am wondering about this. I do not want to draft LT with #1, so don't flame me.

The franchised player gets the average of the top 5 at his position, right? Hypothetically, if we moved Albert to guard first, then used the franchise tag on him would he get the average of the top 5 guards instead of top 5 LTs?

If he is it isn't working.

That would be a mess with the NFLPA and would never fly. He's played LT for 5 seasons. He's a LT. Pay him as such and move on.

I don't believe there's anyway that they can just label him a guard after playing his entire career at LT and get away with that.

THIS!

I don't understand this Albert bashing. He is a good LT. We have way more pressing needs on our team and even on our OL.

Is been tha way since the day he was drafted.

Move him to guard , draft Okung, Move him to guard Draft Smith, move him to guard draft Loeukel (sp?)

Its been a never ending cycle every year for the last 5 years. I dont understand it.

But the problem is its not just the fans, it guys like mayock and Kiper as well.

"my sources inside the chiefs warroom say the pick is in....and it will be Russell Okung" Jason La conforna

The only concern re: Albert is his back. That's why I wouldn't mind a 1 year franchise tag for him just to make sure he's ready to play a full season.

But you can't move Albert to guard. Playing him as a guard would require that you either play him at LG and pay him as a franchise LT (if he's tagged), you give him the contract of a franchise LT and play him at LG (horrible), or you ask him to take a guard-sized contract. Since there are probably 5-10 teams out there who would pay him LT money in a heartbeat, THAT'S not happening either.

Drafting Joeckel is a horrible idea.

Also, realize that not only are the "true fans" completely deaf and dumb to the idea of taking a QB #1, but the football media is also. It's unfathomable that the CHIEFS would draft a QB #1. But the Raiders at #3? That makes sense, says Gil Brandt.

Hmmm...

http://i2.listal.com/image/507279/600full-jon-heder.jpg

http://media.philly.com/images/08221...sVideo_400.jpg

I said it last night, these dipshits still think Cassel is a good QB.

Didn't we just do this awful shit for the last 4 years? Bring in a backup QB and try to build around him???

HELL NO-ONLY AS A BACKUP. WHY DO WE NEED TWO CASSELS?

WTF?!?!?!

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thanks man, it will feel real good to be green :D

You've been telling us that Manti Te'o is the "can't miss" guy for months, and then told us Tyler Wilson will be available to us in the 2nd.

And this is hardly the depths of your dumbassery. You've said far dumber things in past drafts here.

NOBODY thinks your opinions are great. They all think you're ****ing stupid. So go fist a cow.

Don't exaggerate. I don't want Foles, but Stanzi had a better chance to start than any backup the last few years in the NFL, and couldn't get one ****ing snap.

Reading comprehension. Make it your friend.

There are two other options I'd prefer for our BACKUP position.
-Sign a vet.
-Draft our own guy.

Cassel's fine as a backup. That's what he is, and his salary drops to a reasonable amount for one. I think he's toxic and will ultimately be cut, and I'm fine with that. I'm great with that.

But giving up a pick for someone else's trash for our backup?

Yeah, no.

No.

They can post all the glamour pics they want but he's a turd.

My initial gut reaction was a big "Oh, HELL no!"

But as I consider...

Foles is a totally different scenario than Cassel, or Bono, or Grbac, or Deberg, or anyone else The Chiefs have traded for/signed over the last twenty or so years.

Foles was Reid's QBOTF. He was not drafted to be a backup, he was drafted to be the starter-probably in 2014, but that was the idea. IF Reid wanted to do this, I would cut them slack and get behind it. This would be more like an acquiring of Brett Favre from the Falcons and less like an acquiring Matt Cassel.

I'd give a 2nd for him, as i think he's shown a little at the NFL level and thus would place him above the Glennon/Nassib types in this year's draft. I still would personally place him behind the Geno/Wilson level, though. But honestly, not by much.

I might consider swapping firsts-and taking whichever is left from the Geno/Wilson/Barkley group with the Eagles #1. Take it to camp and let'em fight it out.

Last 20 plus years actually, but some can't get enough of leftovers.

If he was so awesome, why the **** would the Eagles think about dealing him?

It's speculation based on Chip Kelly and QBs that might fit his style of play (QBs that can run and pass). That's assuming he brings his Oregon offense to the NFL.

IF Reid really likes Foles, and
IF Kelly doesn't want him because he wants a different guy, and
IF you could get him for either a swap of firsts or a second, and
IF Reid has decided he's not down with Geno,
THEN it would make sense.

Foles is not Cassel. He is not a career backup, he's a rookie that was pressed into playing time in a bad situation and played fairly well, considering. He's a big kid, with a big arm. If Reid likes him, I'd be alright with it. Pretty much nobody would've picked Russell Wilson over Foles this time last year. Foles is NOT the guy we've usually traded for/signed. He is not Deberg/Bono/Grbac/Cassel. He's not even Trent Green. He's a rookie, with promise, who's played some and acquitted himself well in a horrible situation. If you must compare what this move would look like, it would look like Green Bay trading a #2 to Atlanta for Brett Favre in 1991.

I'm not saying Foles is for sure the answer, just that IF Reid thinks he is or might be, and that he's a better option than Geno or that Geno/Wilson/Barkley/whoever all rate about the same, then this might not be a bad option.

Especially if it was for a switch of firsts, because then you could still draft a Wilson or Barkley in the Eagles slot, have Foles, and let 'em fight it out in camp.

Hell, if you did that, and drafted Wilson, say, and signed Hasselbeck to be your vet backup/mentor, you'd have a pretty sweet QB situation.

If Bowe is so great then why didn't someone grab him on the Tag?

If Geno Smith is so great then why isn't some team offering us a Washington type deal for him like they did RGIII.

wow, you can play that game all over the place.


Foles is a 2nd year player not a leftover .... who HC is now our HC and who might not fit the scheme of the new philly HC. It's not even remotely the same thing as Bono,Grbac,Green etc...

If they are willing to take our 3rd then fine otherwise no thanks.

Could you please bludgeon this moron to death and put him out of our misery? JFC

**** Foles

60 percent passer as a rookie, while throwing it 30, 40, sometimes 50 times a game

that's really not that bad

he had a ****ing swiss cheese O line of backups (at the end 4 of 5 starters were gone), backup rookie RB who ran well but couldn't pick up a blitz, starting WR out, and a coach with a pass/run ration of 70/30

he didn't do too bad

i would probably even go a step further and say 'no QB draftee then no thanks'


imo If Reid wants Foles then i want competition for Foles as well. I don't want Foles at the cost of Smith or Wilson.

You're just pissed

**** all this nonsense of trading for someone for more than he was worth last season.

If the Eagles want to trade a rookie QB who they drafted last year I'll give you a 5th round pick. Why would they trade him? He's just too good for them?

I think Foles is a bit of a unique situation. The possibility of Chip Kelly running a totally new offense which emphasizes a mobile quaraterback would make Foles expendable without necessarily categorizing him as a "castoff".

He obviously has good physical talent/tangibles to be a quarterback in the NFL. For those clamoring to get multiple quarterbacks in this years draft, I see no downside to substituting one of those QBs for Foles. Last years crop of QBs obviously pushed him down the draft board. You would have to evaluate him against similar QBs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds this year.

I would be all for a 3rd round pick for the guy. . . as long as you don't stop there. Otherwise, you are putting all your eggs in the ex-franchise's QB. . . almost exactly in the same manner as Pioli put all his eggs in Cassel's rotten basket.

No. no. no. no. no. HELL NO. NO!

Nah, just tired of other teams ripping us off and pawning their trash QB's on us.

People NEVER learn

this

so your brilliant mind has put the circumstance into a catch-22 so you can just rage and be pissed.

Any QB that is up for trade must suck
No player is every worth more than they were drafting for
Any can't be worth more than his draft or they wouldn't be trading him

people around here are so pissed it's made them stupid, they can't understand any words but "Draft Geno ... derp,derp,derp" They refuse to even understand "Draft Geno Smith AND .... " because their brains just shut down after Smith.

"Let's just go into next year with only 1 QB on the roster. Geno Smith can throw every pass in TC,Preseason and Regular season ... if his arm falls off then just **** it we will let Charles run the wildcat because are not playing a single QB besides Geno Smith this year ... derp,derp,derp"

You're a dumbass.

A QB playing half a season is now worth more than he was last year?... If he were on the market it's not because he's a great player. He'd be on the market because he sucks and he doesn't fit anything the new coach wants to accomplish.

if they trade a QB he must suck ... derp,derp,derp


run, Forrest ... run

man, how does one suppress the original post? it is too long in this thread to have it popping up every time you open up a page

Stick a fork in your eyes.

I don't think you can but i can cut the photos if you want ... might help.

no worries, i'll get used to it then

hoped their might be a setting somewhere...