The thing about Jeep CJ’s is they’ve grown a cult following that over values those old Jeeps so the buy in gets pretty freakin expensive for no more vehicle than you get.
If you’re just looking for an open top 4X4 Jeep and don’t necessarily need an old classic like a CJ look at the Wrangler YJ’s. They’re the outcast of the ¼ ton 4X4 Jeeps and are the least desireable so they go fairly cheap. The ‘90’s and up had the EFI 4.0L I-6 which has a solid reputation as a torque and reliable motor, if a bit of a gas guzzler for it’s size. If you’re looking to modify one get an ’88-89 with the 2.5L 4 banger, because there’s nothing in that driveline you want so it won’t hurt to send that stuff to the scrap heap when replacing with heavier duty parts.

That link doesn't work for me?

I don't really care too much, cheap is better.:D I just want it for taking the boat a half mile to the ramp, and cruising around a little.
I have looked at them a little on CL up here, and some are pretty reasonable. Mostly in the 80s like you say. It hasn't worked it's way up the priority list to act on it yet though.

I’ll have you know I was guaranteed by the manufacturer that the sticker that came with my Lunati cam was worth 20 rear wheel horses on its own.

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Understandable. :thumb:
Sounds like a YJ Wrangler would be right up your alley. You’ll instantly recognize one by the square headlights, universally hated by “real” Jeep owners. ;)

Corvette. As much as you can afford.

Here's where I make the call. In 20 years, what is going to be worth more? A C5/C6 base vette, or a Terminator?

The Terminator is like the crown jewel of the Mustang world, it embodies everything that is, was, and will be the pony car wars. Light, supercharged, 6 speed, IRS, the absolute fastest thing made at the time in that price range. You're talking about a car that could blow the doors off of a newer C6 Z06 with some breathing mods, and in much smaller production.

The Terminator in 20-30 years is going to be what the "Fastback" is right now to collectors, but far more expensive due to production.

As for the rest of the cars mentioned, the new GTO's should be a big pass. They are fat pigs. You won't do well on a track with them in a straight line or in the turns. It is a fun car, but it was not made to do well at any single purpose, other than daily drivability. It does do that pretty well.

The Chargers should be passed on, they are all a complete abomination and a giant sign for people being swindled out of what COULD have been a great reboot. Instead they just wanted to cash in on people who couldn't afford the new camaro reboot or the new challenger reboot.

As far as newer cars goes, it comes down to 2012+ Mustang 5.0 vs. New Camaro. If you add in older cars and consider all around practicality, the Terminator Cobra is the best of all possible worlds hands down, and if you want to be specific, get an 04 not an 03.

However, if you have money to put into a car, I'd even suggest a Trans Am WS6 or a Firehawk. They just look so damned good and make a shit ton of Horsepower for next to nothing.

I'm still going with a Terminator, and not because I own a Mustang :D

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Mustang 5.0 would be my choice for a car in this category and I want one after my next car but I have to be a little more practical first, lol.

The 5.0 Mustangs still have a linked rear suspension and you can barely see out of the Camaro, plus the interior is absolute garbage. Every one of the new stock or next level up (GT-SS-R/T) in the new generation has its faults. Don't just pick and choose what to gloss over.

Do you want to stand out, or just get the same car everyone else has?

That's how I feel about Mustangs and Cameros.


Sorry.
*Ducks and hides*

I have had all kinds of cars. Big HP subarus, high strung NA 4 cylinders, mustangs, HUGE HP fbodys etc etc.

If your going to go with a newer muscle car, and not mod it, get a mustang.

If you want to spend just a little money to go fast, forget the BS, buy a 2000ish f body roller and throw a stock 5.3 with an 88mm turbo at it. 9 second car. Done deal~

All that being said, my next car is going to be a super sick extrafast EVO~

EVOs are fun. My buddy just had to rid of his evo8, we miss that thing. =(
I miss my Saab too.

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Fiance always liked the 440hp Subie I had, even over my faster/bigger Hp cars. I have learned my lesson with Subaru though, even with that 440 i was only an 11.9 car, and if I wanted to go faster I REALLY had to spend some extra money to build trans/block etc etc. While the EVO chassis starts out more expensive, they are cheaper to make go REAL fast and there are way more people who can work on them (nobody likes ****ing with that boxer motor)

I liked my 10 second Trans Am too, dont get me wrong, but having an AWD 4 door is too convenient, especially if I can get back in the tens with a big ****ing turbo ~

edit; ahhhh the ol SAABaru. WRX in german clothing~

saab was sweden. =)

Oh. well. shit. same difference.

Excuse me while I masturbate to the sound of this motor/burnout.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=r...&v=rgDYAMIsc5Q

Also pretty much the car to a T that I'd want.

Challenger. Hands down. It's not close.

It is a Dodge, not even close. Unless you like seeing the mechanic.

If you are talking about some of the originals, I am cool with that. Not the new ones though.

My 4 door CTS-V disagrees. :p

I am going to start looking a little more in the direction of the 03-04 Cobra or an 05 GTO. I have a feeling those terminator Mustangs could sky rocket in value over the upcoming years. Those 6.0 GTO's are no slouch either. I might just look into a Caddy too after doing some research and all the praise they have gotten in this thread.

What's your take on convertibles? Never driven one, but I feel like a Terminator convertible could be pretty sweet.

ROFL you know this how? I would prefer they didn't sell any better than they are, as I don't want to see them become common. But you might want to read some of the facts.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/07/d...-satisfaction/

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...action_Survey/

You linked me to satisfaction surveys which say nothing about a car's track record for reliability. Congratulations.

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...scle-cars.html

http://autos.aol.com/cars-Dodge-Chal...3/reliability/

Interesting, thanks for posting those.

Round and round we go. So the owners are satisfied with unreliable cars? Really? I wonder how they know the 2013 cars are unreliable, when they are basically the same car since 2008 that was reliable?

We need to tell these people they need to see the mechanic more often, that their cars are breaking down. Believe me, anytime an owner hears a squeek, it is a major ordeal on these sites!
Challengertalk.com Challengerforumz.com

Your AOL link actually ranks the Challenger among the best in 4 of the 8 categories, and shows the mechanical getting worse. I find that odd, don't you?

Get a Dodge, and get to know the mechanic.....

Priced out a couple Terminators today. Found one for 15k that had only 32k miles on it.

I had no problems with my 07 R/T Charger. No problems my Mopar 11 either.

My 02 Monte SS had more issues than my mopars. It was still a good car though.

But, but you are supposed to be on a first name basis with every mechanic at the dealer shop, are you not?


Yeah, me neither, nor Carlotta, but we just own them.

My 07 had a lifetime power train warranty. I saw a commercial recently that they are bringing the lifetime warranty back.

I think that should give plenty of indication the cars are reliable.

Exactly. I have no I issues with my Charger. And I'm in my 3rd Charger. Love them!

Here's my Mopar 11 from the cool car pics thread. :)

Another shot.

Yeah, I think these Lx cars and their variant like the Ly Challengers are very well designed and manufactured. I really like the changes made to the new Chargers like yours, they look great.

I know Coach just got his second one, but he must be a gluten for punishment just like you and Cannibal!

To be totally honest though, our Nitro has been a lot of trouble. I think it was started on a Friday afternoon, and finished on Monday morning with parts from the reject bin. It was a "program" car and I honestly think that program was a lemon law return. We got it dialed in now though.

My 09 has that as well, but I hadn't heard of them bringing it back.

I love the Challenger too. But I like having more room.

At some point I'm going to get a classic car again. It will be a 2 door coupe, whatever I end up buying.

I'm keeping the Mopar 11 though.

Saw a local commercial recently that they are offering it again.

Everyone I know who has a nitro has had tons of issues.

Ball joints, struts, multifunction switches...
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I have had a few switch problems, like the passenger side window switch. It is a rubber gate blocking an LED from activating a LSR. It was assembled poorly, probably by a 4 year old Chinese kid. After taking the door panel off and taking it all apart and putting it together properly, it works great now.

We have had 3rd brake light assembly, crank sensor, sirius antenna, remote garage door opener, windshield wipers malfunction (later recalled after having to drive on a long trip in the rain with intermittent wipers, mostly off), the window switch, and tailgate switch killing the battery. That was really a pain in the ass, like the crank trigger (I had to find that on my own since it was so intermittent)

Most people would have already driven this thing through a showroom floor, but ours is actually a pretty good car now, especially after the recent software update. :D

The four door is way more practical, and makes the most sense. You made a very good choice.
My Challenger was an emotional decision, and I wanted to get one before Chrysler went tits up. Thus I didn't wait on the 6 speed or b5 blue availability, that I really wanted. But this one is going to be it and one of my kids will inherit it some day.

Believe me, sometimes I see Challengers driving by and I'm like, ****, I should've went for it!

Your kid is gonna be so excited when he gets it.

Is yours the Orange with Black stripes?

Post a pic of it!

I am the same way on the new Chargers, as the Italians really rescued the Daimler original design IMO. They brought back some of the second generation Charger styling cues, that really work. Daimler took the concept
Charger design that I really liked and used it on a Mercedes, just like the rest of their pirating of the company.

One of my girls will be happy, but I don't think either one of them are too happy about me trading the Barracuda for a Ram last year. :D

It is TorRed, and I added the 70 Challenger stripes from Ryder graphix, put the SRT struts and springs on it, thus lowering it. Also put the SRT 20 inch Alcoa wheels in place of the stock 18s that fill the wheel wells better. Not sure if I have a picture on this little laptop, but will check.

sweet.

You're going to want something that stays intact while passing through a police cruiser at 130.

Here you go.

That is a great ride. Those are wheels I like on them too.

If I was to get one, I'd be partial to the orange and black.

Holy mother of all that produces carbon HALLELLUAH!
Nice ride. I want it baddddd. :thumb:

That was their major "high impact color" early release, the Hemi Orange. I have always been partial to red, but really wanted a B5 blue. Like the 6 speed, that wasn't available until spring of 09, and I honestly didn't think they would be in business then.

Thanks, glad you like it. Like a lot of things, I take it for granted and am used to having it. I remember when you and Frazod got your Mustangs on here. Tim has driven the Challenger and I drove his Mustang.

GM is bringing the Holden V8 sedan back to the US as the SS. Wait and buy one of those.

That's awesome. I'm not even a huge MOPAR fan., but I could get on board with that

When the new Camaro came out, I REALLY wanted an orange one with black stripes.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...lackCamaro.jpg

The black with orange stripes would be pretty sweet too (don't think that's stock).

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Wasn't to be, though.

My Pony is still in great shape with 110K miles on it. I still love it. But, I have to start thinking of its end of days and the Challenger is on the top of my list. And now I'm in Florida and make a little more coin I might go full out top of the line Challenger but those Shelby Cobra's look good too. No need to worry about ice and snow anymore.

I also like these a lot. Prefer the challenger though

Yeah that wiper problem is the one where I said multifunction switch. Lol.

And those crank sensor issues are tough sometimes
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I've got a 2013 Boss. It's definitely the most fun I've ever had driving.

Damn. He'll, I miss you. I miss your musk.

Bad ass car.

I test drove an 04 Cobra today... and I'm left speechless. Car has some mods. The guy had the dyno sheet and it was rated at 485hp at the wheels. It completely blew me away. If I am able to sell my Impreza soon I am buying it. 55k miles on it. He said he would take 13k for it. Hope to get some pics up soon.

Was his name Kyle by chance?

If pure muscle is what you want, go with a Mustang. They take to mods very well. I've got a couple. My Shelby is street legal with 710 hp to the wheels. Its a kick to drive! The acceleration is brutal! Can blaze down the 1/4 in the high 10's -low 11's (Depending on the hook) and then on a road trip in total comfort without any worries or lifting a wrench.

Very good choice. The Terminators are special. SVT built them right!

lol at this kid's troll car. WATCH THIS.

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If you aren't only interested in cars you can look into the old Chevy C10 pickups..you can find restored ones with 383, 454, 396..all for around 30k..also you can get the Dodge SRT10 pickups for 30k with low miles..the Chevy Impala SS comes with the 5.3 Vortec which is a very good motor that lasts forever and is easy to modify..if you really want to get something that makes power gets good gas mileage find an older diesel pickup that is in good shape and slowly modify the motor and put a tune on it and you will have a mean sum bitch

my cousin and I are working on his 2000 Chevy 2500 Duramax..he bought it for 12k..we have rebuilt the motor, and trans..added a cold air intake, had it tuned, injectors, fuel pump along with a lot of other things..he gets around 25 mpg and is making 750hp and around 800 lb ft at last dyno..he has around 25k in it so far I think

lol, love the idea of dropping a small block into a gen 1 rx7.

Same here. I am going to find a Dodge Coronet one day .... I remember my pops bringing home new Dodge/Chrysler autos as a kid.

I came up behind a brand new red 2014 Corvette on the Dulles Toll Road this afternoon and it was gorgeous! The view from the rear was unlike any Vette before and had dramatic lines and slopes across the body. I speed up to pass and the whole car from back to front was simply beautiful.

If I had the money for a second expensive car, I would buy one.

Ford's new 4 cylinder stang will blow their doors off with the ac on full blast.

Nice!:thumb:

Got no issues with my Charger, and it's my 2nd one.

Can easily out run those damned tricked out cars those teenagers are making these days. Damn kids don't know the meaning of American Muscle.

Why? I trapped 138 when I was at 750ish to the tire.

Okay not sure that this is the proper place to post this, nor do I care, but I saw something today that weirded me out. It looked like one of those Pontiac Aztecs but God as my witness it had a Porsche emblem on the back. Is this shit real or did someone glue a porsche emblem on an oversized Lemans?

Yep it's a pig 4200 +. I'm going to run again next week, should trap in the mid 150's.

The Hennessey part makes it more reasonable.

You should get that Nissan GTR and get you like 1800hp Mia - those things are limitless for moding. :thumb: