This is like saying 3-4 years from now Tyler Bray ended up being the best QB in the 2013 draft, therefore Dorsey is an idiot for choosing Alex Smith over Geno Smith.

This is a terrible post.

My move it to trust the professionals and not take myself too seriously.

But to stay on your point, I will admit that one flaw in my approach would emerge if the professionals thought it best to skip their pick entirely. I'll say now that I would stand corrected in that case.

If you have a point feel free to make it. RG3 earned his draft spot based on his senior year, not the prior years. Geno should be held no different in that regard.

I don't care what it's "like saying."

Trading for Matt Cassel was, is, and always will be ****ing stupid.

Pioli did it for the same reasons he didn't re-sign Kyle Orton. He's a ****ing DUMB ASS.

Cool. That doesn't change the fact that you're an informed person when it comes to politics. I also suspect you felt that way about the last two Republican candidates. The point is, if you're going to be more impulsive about picking the president than you are about picking your favorite team's QB, I don't know what to tell you. Again, I'm not saying that voting strategy isn't legit. It is absolutely a rational reason for voting that way. And if it applies to the goddamned president, it should apply to something measly like the Chiefs QB.

And here we go again. You're using "ifs" to lend credence to your argument that drafting a QB might not be the best thing. However, those ifs are very unlikely. There IS a first round QB in this draft. I believe there are multiple, in fact, as do many draft analysts. Secondly, it's one thing to have a #1 overall non-QB that you select with the top pick. It's quite another to be in this draft where there ISN'T THAT PLAYER AROUND.

And DON'T tell me that I don't know that. It's looking pretty ****ing grim right now. Even an explosion out of the combine likely won't change that.

If the top nonQB in this draft is worth a 10 or a 15 pick most years (which is the case except for the OTs) and the highest rated QB is a 20 or late 20, you take the goddamned QB. When people ask if you reached too hard, you say, "It was the best pick for the team."

Because guess what? IT WAS.

If your point is that you trust in Dorsey and Reid if they take another player than Geno, then I'm with you. I won't like it, but they will get the benefit of the doubt from me until they prove that they aren't worthy of that benefit.

If your point is that Geno looks to be too big of a risk to throw the first pick at, then my post is 100% accurate.

Fair enough. But dammit, at some point we're going to roll 7s, I am firmly convinced of this.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

The Professionals...like Herm, Carl, Pioli, Haley, Gunther, Muir, Daboll....TRUST THEM ALL!!!

Sorry, but I don't have 30 more years to wait. :D

The pro GENO-AT-ALL-COSTS crowd sure is logic challenged. Saying he doesn't know if Geno is the guy or not doesn't mean that Geno shouldn't be the pick. It also doesn't mean that jAZ thinks that he should know for sure about any particular player before that player becomes worthy of the 1st pick. Every post I read from Geno fanboys seems more facepalm-worthy than the last.

Maybe.

All I know if the Chiefs keep up with this horrid betting strategy on the dice table, then I'm going to go play blackjack.

If you catch up on my posts (no need, but if you do), you'll see that I'm saying trust the professionals and not me or anyone else on here. Or anyone in the media for that matter. Trust he guys who coach the players, call the plays, run the drills, watch the scouting film over and over again.

Over time, they will know better what to do.

Trust them all over you. Yes.

Trust them all over the other professionals on the other 32 teams over the last decade? No.

Hope that's spelled out clearly enough for you.

In that case sell me on another player this team needs more than a Geno Smith. I promise I will keep an open mind to your takes.

We should only ever talk here in the lounge.

It's like ****ing bizzaro world watching patteeu and jAZ agree on anything.

Hey dipshit: I agreed with Scott ***** in 2009.

Don't trust EITHER of us.

But I was still smart enough to know this team wasn't doing shit last year under Matt Cassel. I'm not even smart. I just recognize failure.

ROFL:popcorn:

I'm not here to sell a particular player. I hope the Chiefs pick a QB (and that he ends up being the right one). But if they use a different approach, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

In that regard, I read your subsequent post to jAZ and see that you won't cry if the Chiefs pick someone other than Geno either, so I stand corrected on lumping you in with the fanboys.

Yes.

It's the QB at all costs crowd.

I and many others are saying that there is a pretty clear and OBVIOUS direction this team should go at #1. It's far more obvious than the draft "experts" make it out to be given the surrounding talent at other positions at the top of this draft, among other reasons.

This really isn't a case where WELL THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION is a valid rebuttal or disagreement. And if Reid or Dorsey deviate from that strategy and it grants us a subpar QB like Nassib, Dysert, or Jones in this draft, there's going to be hell to pay.

But Nick Foles was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!

That's reasonable. Good for you.

Recently bought a Roku, and they have a CBS sports channel on it. The most recent clip on it was from Pat Kirwin. I don't know much about him, but he seems like the only journalist who makes ANY sense.
He says: Don't listen to any reports coming from anyone. When all is said and done, Geno will go #1, 2 QBs will go in the top 10, and there is no way a G will be taken in the top 10.
He made some other good points, and I think he's right. All these reports...all of them..are useless.

He's a former NFL scout and Front office guy. He generally knows what he's talking about

Can you screen capture or record audio?

He has has a show on NFL Radio on Sirius/XM that he does Tim Ryan called Movin' the Chains. Generally it's one of the best football shows you'll ever listen to.

I can't wait for the damned draft so this speculation can be over and we can talk in realities of what we have.

I'm about to that point too.

Andy Reid did all his significant winning with a quarterback he took high in the first round. the rest of them didn't win jack shit for him.

I fully speculate that we will trade back to pick 4 while aquiring 4 1st round picks take Joekill, move Albert to guard and then get Geno at the top of the 2nd. Then trade a future 1st for Alex Smith to be our backup.

The top QB prospect that year Jim Drunkenmiller.

He threw 31 TDs in college. LMAO

And somehow he's compared to Geno?

Hell, there are like 4 guys who are better QB prospects this year.

Holy shit. That's like Dream Scenario #1. ROFL

I say we do a reverse draft this year. Take seventh round talent in the first, sixth in the second, and so on!

Nice thought. But unfortunately no nfl team is stupid enough to believe these jackasses that none of the qbs in the draft aren't worth taking in the 1st round. They will all be scooped up. If kc misses the boat then they were just stupid.

I heard a guy (don't recall his name) from Ourlads on the radio the other day saying that he had Geno Smith #1 on his board.

Edit: I'm sure others have already seen it, but anyway...
http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/

In Teicher's latest mock, that stupid mother****er actually wrote "better safe than sorry" as a part of his justification for drafting a DT 1/1.

That's how ****ing stupid he is. As if someone who follows the Chiefs closely, allegedly, shouldn't know that there's nothing "safe" about drafting any player, much less a defensive lineman.

Why couldn't this ****ing moron have recently been vacationing in the Ural Mountains?

Just got over a HD failure with no sys image.
Have my programs backed up, but won't have my software back up for cpl weeks. Ive just been using my laptop.

Not entirely true, but yes Andy Reid does no how to draft and develop a franchise QB. Like I said, I'll let him do his thing what ever it is.

Throw Camtasia Studio on it and grab the footage man. Trial version is free.

We would all appreciate it.

useless info...but interesting..

the top Qbs taken that year turned out to be Jake Plummer 2nd, Jake Delhomme and Jon Kitna undrafted...

The Chiefs took Pat Barnes in the 4th. ROFL

We've already tried that...the problem is that we stop at fourth round talent and go down again.

Andy Reid is NOT going to stiff us with another terrible QB, either through the draft or through free agency. Dude is silly smart...he really is. He used to be my brother's coach in college. He is also really cagey. I think Jaz's comments about trusting THIS particular guy are spot on. There are plenty of "professionals" who should have never been trusted in the past, but that's all in the past.

Sarcasm meter...

I thought you all should know that Knowmo is slightly cheating on his self-imposed bet ban. He sent me a rep message with a tweet from some guy that said if the draft were this year, Brock Osweiler would be a first round pick, and possibly the first QB taken or some shit like that.

That's bullshit. Geno, Barkley, and Glennon have nearly twice the starting experience in college that Tannehill and Osweiler did. If Osweiler would have been the top QB this year it's because he played like it, not because he's a tall ****er who could be the best QB ever if he could ever learn how to throw the ball correctly, dang it.

It's takes like that that make my blood boil. If this were 2012, Geno and Barkley are the 3rd and 4th QBs taken before Tannehill, Weeden, and Osweiler. To say otherwise that those guys without the starting experience nor the flashy stats would be ahead of 2013's QBs is an atrocious lie.

That's why posters like jAz are posting some stupid crap, because they say, "How can we know if these guys are any good? All the draft experts claim the QBs are terrible." It compares these QBs at the top to 2012's QBs at the top without looking at the rest of the class.

Between Athan and Teicher, the Chiefs have been set back 40 years.

4 playoff wins and two AFC Championship apperances say you are wrong like always.

I'd absolutely LOVE to believe that.

But there's been too much failure, for too long.

Andy Reid is going to have to prove it to me.

The only part of that mock that I question is Joeckel to the Jags at #2.

At Missouri?

But anyway, I don't really care.

Bill Parcells is "smart." He thought it was a good idea to pick Chad Henne instead of Matt Ryan.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying "no one can *know*". So in the absence of a time machine, recognize that professionals have tools to make evaluations that none of us have. Don't take fandom-GM games very seriously.

We don't play games anymore.

We got the last asshole fired.

We're a ****ing force to be reckoned with now.

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

but he did take Bledsoe over Roaf.

Great post.

More importantly, he chose Bledsoe over Mirer.

Drew Bledsoe was one of the greatest QB prospects ever. No one was gonna pass on him.

We'll surely be f'ed by your lust for power.

Yes this.


Actually the whole Long over Ryan thing proves the point of this:

Its better to take a B QB over an A lineman.

Paul Revere didn't want to be President.

What do you bet this personnel man represents a team drafting in middle position who is definitely going to take a QB in the first round?

Exactly.

Oh yeah? He could very well be the guy to get this team back to 10-6 and perpetual first round playoff losses!

Can you just imagine what it would be like to have a QB with the talent of Geno?

Most Chiefs fans are resigned to the fact that we don't deserve it, and must keep wearing the hand me down clothes.

Please refresh my memory, what did Trent Green win again?

With all due respect, I don't think there are very many QB's, living or dead, that could have won a playoff game with the Chiefs defense from 2001-2005.

I agree 100%.

Unlike so many people, at this point in time, I'm advocate of the best possible QB option for the 2013 Chiefs season.

If that's Foles, or Alex Smith or Matt Flynn, Eugene Smith or Zac Dysert, whatever, I'm good with it.

Those people that state that Eugene Smith the ONLY answer are myopic fools.

**** that

Trent is like a fine wine. He is getting better with age. He was a great guy and there is no denying that, but he wasn't all that special of a QB. The running game behind that OL was the real strength.

I think back to the playoff game with Indy, where there were no punts. Obviously, the Indy Defense was not much better than the Chiefs, as an offensive pass interference call on Tony was the difference.

I agree with everything you've said there. I'd rather have Geno as well.

But Alex is a nice player in his own right.

As to the Geno vs. Tannehill comps - Tannehill has more upside than Geno. Tannehill could be really really good. I still think he'd have been right up there with RGIII had he been a QB for his entire college career.

He has literally every tool you could ask for in a QB, he's taken well to coaching and he's shown consistent improvement every step of the way.

If Tannehill were in the draft, I might actually take him over Geno. Tannehill's upside is immense.

Oh for ****s sake - that's the best you have?

You're right, it was Trent Green's fault we didn't win anything. It had nothing to do with the career day defense.

When people make shitty arguments, they detract from the good ones. Yours is one of the former.

Good thing that there's only like 1 or 2 of those people.

Jesus, the tannehill crap never dies.

I don't see the talent

"It's your opinion" isn't a rebuttal, but it is a fact.

I agree with you on a great many things. This isn't one of them.

I kinda hope Tannehill sucks a fat one and bombs out of the NFL. I wanted us to draft him last year, but since we didn't and that story came out about him not knowing the names of any NFL teams or where they belong in the divisions, I think he's a royal douche.

Really? Whenever I post stuff about the non-QBs at the top of the 2013 class being garbage, I get met with "That's just your opinion" in response.

Eh, that's fine.

He may never develop enough touch to be among the best in the league. But his arm is on par with anyone this side of Stafford and Kaepernick and his athleticism is there with anybody's.

I'm not sure how anyone can say he'll never be a good decisionmaker; the kid has very little time under center and showed a lot of progress last year.

He's a massive boom/bust pick, but if the bust is what he did last year and the boom is essentially a more mobile, durable Matt Stafford, I don't see what there isn't to like about him.

I like when they say "we shouldn't draft a QB just because it's a need" and then immediately follow that up with "we should draft joeckel or fisher to replace albert".

That's totally fair.

I kind of see him in between. Kind of like Matt Ryan. Good enough to get you there every year but not really good enough to get you over the top.