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CPlanet is good anger therapy.

Cathartic, certainly.

I was thoroughly impressed by his highlight reel.

AGAINST WHO? AGAINST WHAT CALIBER OF DEFENSES? ACC DEFENSES? Don't make me laugh. GTFO. Yall must be trolling me. I'm getting livid. :# :cuss:

Why I oughta...!

You would be thoroughly impressed by a lollipop.

Manuel might be the least impressive quarterback at the combine. Take away his physique and you have a sloppy, stupid player that throws terrible passes. Everything about his game is knobby and ugly. Guess what? Wen your man is open for a split second on third and 8, no one cares if you look like The Rock with your shirt off. They care that you have zero accuracy.

Geno Smith has elegance when he throws. It's beautiful.

Were trolling you? Youre on a CHIEFS board! Not a ****ing Jaguars board we aren't trolling you

Do you honestly believe Manuel will be anything other than Jamarcus Russel bad in the league?

After tomorrow am pretty sure its going be Geno Smith, but the Chiefs will try to find trade partner and so we will most likely miss out on Geno Smith. The team that trades with us will take Geno Smith just our luck Clown Smile (death warmed over).

Yes because EJ isnt a piece of shit like Russell.

1- I think cannibal was being sarcastic.

2- I posted a set of stats for all the top QBs in this draft. Manuel's completion percentage and QB rating is 3rd among all of them. I watched him in the Senior bowl as well. He didn't look a lot like what you are saying. Granted it was just one game - and I'm not pimping E.J. Manuel - but the limited evidence that I have goes against your description.

I think by all accounts EJ is a good dude where as Russel had a bad/lazy attitude.

Not comparable at all IMO.

I wasn't. I looked him up. Admittedly, it was a highlight video, so I only saw positives.

Link??

Oh no, people don't agree with me that Geno is fabulous, wah, I'm going to leave the board for a year, again.

I have always given my opinion on players.

ROFL

Too bad nobody knows what your actual opinions are because they're buried underneath dozens of posts of you ridiculing other people's opinions.

This has nothing to do with whether or not you agree with ME. This has everything to do with you being a miserable ****ing asshole.

Dude, you know exactly what game you play on this board. It's ridiculous. EJ f'n Manual ROFL

Geno Smith - Poor footwork. Good windup and release. Very good accuracy on his first reads up to 15 yards out. I haven't seem him drive the ball with authority in poor weather (Syracuse and Tex Tech). I think he gets nice air under his long ball, I was surprised his completion % over 20 yards is so bad. I think his numbers are inflated greatly by his system and YAC. I'm bothered by his pouting on the sideline when the offense is playing poorly. I don't think he is anything special under pressure as well as pocket presence. Hasn't shown the ability to play under center (that includes 2010 where every single highlight I've seen of him, he's in the shotgun). I'm okay with KC taking him at #1 although I think in most draft classes he isn't the first QB off the board.

Barkley - Best QB in the class from the time the huddle breaks until the ball is thrown. Lack of arm strength is a huge issue. Saw a lot of just missed INTs this year where defenders were able to jump the throw but had stone hands. I'd rather not have a Chad Pennington as my franchise QB.

That's the only two QBs I think could possibly go in the top 20.

I never said EJ should be taken at #1. I took issue when a HUGE Geno supporter said EJ sucked because he can't throw deep. All I pointed out was that their downfield percentage over 20 yards was similar. Be consistent. If you hold it against EJ, hold it against Smith.

The number of attempts is VASTLY different.

Percentages don't mean jack shit in a vacuum.

Someone didn't see the splits of Geno's throws under pressure
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The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.

I'm just talking about his cons and one was Geno isn't good under pressure


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Well, here's the thing.

This thread ISN'T ABOUT GENO.

It's about EJ Manuel.

But anytime you say anything critical about one of the QBs in the draft, the auto-answer is "well, Geno didn't..."

**** that. Yeah, I do like Geno. But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my opinion on EJ ****ing Manuel.

First downs in 2012:

UVW- 329
FSU- 322

You are comparing apples to oranges. I was talking about over 20 yards only.

Their respective gameplans called for them to throw deep the same relative percentage. Yes, Smith is going to have more overall completions (and incompletions) because he had more attempts.

Sorry, I understand now
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And people wonder why I went from a relatively contributing poster to a hater.

It's because I came here to discuss QBs in the draft, and found out it's impossible to talk about anyone but Geno without a bunch of internet gangsters breaking out the lotion.

Also, according to CFBstats. EJ had 80 passes of 15+ yards and 32 that went 25+. Smith, with nearly 125 MORE attempts, had 80 passes of 15+ yards and 39 that went 25+.

Geno Smith is considered by 99% of people to be a top QB in this class.

All the stats you're posting about EJ Manuel are because you're trying to show how close and successful he is compared to Geno Smith.

Therefore....

I think it's a moot point to compare EJ to Gino. we all know the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Gino with the number 1 pick. that being said, I think EJ should be in the conversation for that second rounder.

it just depends what quarterbacks are left.

And out of those 99%, I'd say about 98% also say he isn't worth a #1 pick.

*Geno. Come on. He's not a white guy from Jersey dancing to disco in the 70s.

He had to move up on Joeckel today.

You said I argued EJ was one of the top prospects in this draft. Where did I do that?

How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

Kap seems thinner and overall more athletic. A speed, athletic type of QB.

EJ strikes me as more of a thick built power QB. I can see the Culpepper comparison.

OVERVIEW
Kaepernick has enough physical tools to be viewed as a developmental backup quarterback prospect. Experienced, competitive, productive and durable but very raw in terms of making NFL reads and throws. Will need to become accustomed to making pro-style progressions and must improve overall accuracy. Arm strength is good but needs to tighten up his delivery and work on getting the ball out on time with more consistency. Can make a lot of plays with his feet but will be too confident at times and take unnecessary sacks. Kaepernick will likely attract a team with his measurables and outstanding intangibles. His stock has risen considerably with solid workouts, so expect him to be taken some time in the second to third round.

Ugh... NFL.com compares Manuel to Blaine Gabbert.

I don't think their run stats are/were close. EJ had around 300 yards rushing and Kap had about 1300 his SR year.

Do you think Geno Smith is one of the top prospects in this class of QBs?

Ah OK. Keep seeing people indicating Manuel would be a good pistol/spread option QB. Perhaps that is unfounded.

Yes

Reid isn't going switch to the pistol anyway

So why are you posting all of these EJ Manuel stats that compare him favorably to Smith?

I think people say that because everyone else is strictly a pocket passer and EJ has some ability to scramble.

To attempt to educate people making claims like EJ couldn't move the chains and I like Smith but don't like EJ because EJ has a crap long ball.

He doesn't just have the ability to scramble. He can flat out run.

Way to WAY oversimplify the argument. :clap:

Not comparable at all. Kaep has a stronger, more accurate arm, more touch on his passes, makes better reads, and is a better runner. Manuel isn't as fast or elusive as Kaep. I liked Kaepernick in 2011 (took him in the 2nd rd of the CP mock). Manuel won't amount to anything, IMO. As I've stated over and over and over.

To me his ceiling - which I don't think he'll ever reach - is Aaron Brooks.

Overview
Once considered the top recruit out of high school, Manuel will be one of the more debated quarterback prospects between now and next April.
After redshirting in 2008, he made several starts as a freshman and sophomore in relief of an oft-injured Christian Ponder, recording a 4-2 record as a starter. Manuel became the full-time starter last season, starting all but one game and finishing second in the ACC with a 65.3% completion mark. He had only 18 scores through the air, but also threw just eight interceptions, including none over the last five games (121 straight passes).

A potential Heisman candidate entering 2012, Manuel put up big statistics but did not perform well in the Seminoles' marquee game - a home loss to in-state rival Florida.

Manuel is a likely candidate to be overdrafted next April because of his intriguing physical tools.

Analysis
The Virginia native passes the eye test with a tall, strong frame and the arm strength to spin the ball downfield. He has the legs to extend and make plays.
Manuel is an intriuging NFL prospect because of his raw physical and athletic tools, but will need to prove to NFL scouts that he is just as talented with the mental part of the game before he is labeled as a top 50 prospect.

Manuel made poor decisions throwing into coverage and failed to see the entire field on several downfield passes if FSU's Nov. 24 loss to Florida, something that has plagued him throughout his career. He routinely held the ball too long in the pocket and seemed rattled by pressure, creating much concern among NFL teams about his ability to quickly read the defense, process and anticipate open windows.

On a good note, Manuel showed off his outstanding arm strength and athleticism, flashing the footwork and agility to avoid the rush and pick up big chunks of yards with his legs. But he will need a strong showing during Senior Bowl week to help his draft stock.

--Dane Brugler

Latest News
02/20/2013 - 2013 NFL Combine, Workout warriors: While most of Florida State quarterback EJ Manuel's issues are mental and in regards to his decision-making, he is an outstanding athlete for his size (6-foot-4, 237) with quick feet to evade pressure and the long-striding speed to out-run defenders downfield. He should perform well in the 40 and other drills. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

EJ is pretty confident. Says he's best QB in the class.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ories=obinsite

From the article:

"I don't think I have to be Colin Kaepernick. I don't have to be Russell Wilson. I can be E.J. Manuel. But I do see a lot of my abilities in those guys. When I saw those guys having success this year, it gave me a lot more confidence going into the draft," he said.

"Knowing that that kind of quarterback — a guy who can run and throw, not necessarily run first, but who can throw the ball and also have that run threat — it's more accepted now. Whereas five or 10 years ago, it really wasn't accepted. And you definitely didn't want to act like you run. You just wanted to sit in the pocket the whole time. Now, it's more embraced as a quarterback."

He still sucks to high heaven. Anyone else who doesn't agree needs to remove themselves from society.

He is so much better than Bray it's ridiculous.

I stand corrected then. I thought you were being funny about how EVERYONE looks like a world beater on highlight clips.

98.6% to be exact.

Reason based posts are so refreshing. Thanks.

I SO wanted him for the Chiefs in the 2nd round. :(

Is it a coincidence that the human body temperature is 98.6 degrees and anybody with a pulse knows Geno is the best QB in this class?

:D

:hmmm:

As someone who spent a lot of time on other teams boards last year as well, it's remarkable how similar the talks of Wilson last year, are to talks of Manuel this year.

"He could climb up a lot of boards"

"I don't know I still see him in the late 2nd or 3rd round"

Though obviously each player has different negatives.

If he's the second QB we take in the draft, I'm okay with that.

That's true. But most people don't quote stats against those teams.

As a passer, Wilson was leaps and bounds better than Manuel. Bad comparison. If the dude was 6'2" he'd have gone ahead of Tannehill.

Myth. His last year was the first time he threw over 60% in a season, and he did it by throwing the ball more than 200 times less than his junior year.

Manuel's a joke

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Does the recent acquisition of Alex Smith open up a possibility of drafting Manuel?

I do not believe that he will still be available in the 3rd round, but if we decide to move out of the first pick and acquire several picks Manuel would be a great target IMO. Most believe he would not be ready right out of college, we roll with Smith a year or two and then have our young QB hopefully groomed by Reid who can step in and hopefully be our QBOTF.

I don't think he will be around in the 3rd. EVEN if the Chiefs wanted to spend a 3rd on him which they may not. We are going to get raped if we trade down.

I doubt they make that pick it wanders dangerously close to a smart move.