And it is the 30th ****ing consecutive year since it has happened. Can we not connect those dots? They are in a straight line and are very consistent.

What on Gods green earth would give you any hope that it would happen next year, or any year with that kind of pattern? That pattern has been with 4 gms and now 10 head coaches.

Yup, I followed Barry Sanders through the 90's and had a great time doing it.
I still watched the Chiefs games, but wasn't invested like I have been in them since the Vermeil era.

If I can follow Geno Smith throughout his career and root for him, instead of putting all of my faith into Chiefs retreads, why not?

How does that hurt you? and that's not being a bandwagon fan, if so I wouldn't root for: Chiefs, Lions, Royals, MU Tigers

:LOL: I was thinking the same thing, but didn't wanna get piled on.

What gives me "hope" is that Andy Reid and Clark Hunt said that they would draft and develop a franchise QB. Reid said he didn't know if he would come from the 2013 draft or the 2014 draft. But I do believe that he wants to draft and develop a franchise QB because not only will that help the Chiefs, it'll also cement his legacy.

It doesn't affect or "hurt" me at all. I just don't understand how someone in Missouri can "fall in love" with a guy that played at WV for a 7-6 team so much that he's decided to follow him and the team that drafts him.

Enjoy.

You are an idiot Alex Smith lover! The worst type of fan. You go from team to team looking to make friends because in your lonely life that is all that you have, football message boards. Nobody likes you, your not loved. Your a giant loser who wants to marry Alex Smiff.

And Chiefs fans I'm sorry, no hate for your team from me. But you guys got hosed. The curse of Alex Smiff is now on you guys. Have fun trying to rid yourselves of him for the next decade. The Raiders will return to Glory before you guys will. Maybe after Kaep wins 4 SB's for us we will trade him off to you guys and you might make the playoffs with a 38 year old Kaep.

Also have fun being stuck with "Alex Smith Snoopy Doopy fan" busting into every thread defending his boy toy and bringing this whole forum down with him.

Best of Luck

-A very happy 9er fan

You still believe what they said? Really? Clark also said that he wanted to draft and develop a QB after firing Herm, right? This will make how many drafts, 5 since he said that?

How many excuses were offered for not drafting a QB during the Pioli regime? Very similar to what we hear this year, right?
How long did it take Dorsey and Reid to start spewing that bullshit?
Shortly after they learned where the shitter was at Arrowhead?
Shortly after they had their work defined by Clark after taking the job?

Ok, the evidence shows me that what they said is bullshit, bullshit to the fans, and the Chiefs don't plan on drafting a QB, ever. As we all know, this time of year crap coming out of front offices is bullshit, and I think them claiming to draft and develop a QB is nothing more.

Everyone on board the 10 and 6 train, toot toot!

30 Years is a lifetime for a lot of people, and it has been that long since they tried.

This was the chiefs year to select a QB in the draft. The first time in franchise history that we own the #1 pick where no other team can leave us with leftovers. With the rookie wage scale, not huge amounts of dollars to set the franchise back 5 years, and QB being the biggest need for this team. I did extensive research on quite a few QB's in this class and Geno Smith is just exactly what I would want in a franchise QB.

He could be a total bust, and that is fine... but if I were the GM of this team I would've at least given this city and it's fan base a chance. I would've tried.
Something no other GM/HC has done for us.

I understand that would only make a certain amount of people happy, because most of this fan base is acceptable with taking other teams castoffs... they are used to it. Drafting is too new of a concept for them, but that's the way real super bowl winning franchises do it. (Minus Drew Brees because the Chargers were fools).


I can't believe in the ONE CITY that drafting a Bust QB at #1 overall won't get you fired because the fans haven't seen it in 30 years, Reid/Dorsey will push in all their chips in on Alex ****ing Smith.

If Alex wins 8 games in 2013, we all know we won't be in a position to draft the best QB in the next draft.

We will stick with Alex and we will just need to upgrade two or three positions to get better!!!!

So ****ing what? YOU wanted Geno Smith. The Chiefs did not. I'm glad that you and your ilk can have a pity party now.

This just so much ****ing bullshit. Dorsey was around in Green Bay when they traded for Favre and drafted Brunnel, Rodgers, Hasselbeck and so many others. Reid was in Philly when they took McNabb and a host of other QB's. To claim that this is their M.O. is ****ing ludicrous.

Your argument holds absolutely no weight. You just can't deal with the fact that Dorsey and Reid clearly didn't like Geno Smith enough to draft him.

Yeah, giving up a second rounder means they've gone all in, right? LMAO You don't even know what the compensation is at this point, as there have been many different reports.

But enjoy your pity party and whichever team selects Geno Smith, the savior of the NFL.

Right, because no one in the history of the NFL has ever traded picks for players

You're not funny either.

It is definitely more likely we trade up for a player with Reid that it ever was with Pioli.

Who the F are you? A 9er fan coming here to spread the gospel of Smith? Here to tell them he's legit and just couldn't catch a break in SF?

LOL!!! idiot

And depending on the compensation, it could be likely that the Chiefs take a player at the bottom of the first (if they win like they expect to win) or in the second round.

Either way, I expect them to take a talented developmental project next year, unless they take someone like Dysert in the 5th that's way ahead of the curve come 2014.

Yeah, but they weren't working for the Hunt owned Chiefs at that time. Hide and watch, read the tea leaves, the future is clear.

Wow. SO much butthurt in this thread.

I liked Geno, too. I'm not packing it in, nor am I on the ledge. I hate the trade, but I'll still follow them like I have for 30 years.
I haven't been to a game since the 90s. It's not like I have to stop spending money on them, because I haven't in nearly 2 decades.

I'm almost certain that Clark Hunt would prefer a KC drafted and developed quarterback to lead his team over yet another San Francisco QB. But mandating that the Chiefs draft a QB isn't good business sense, especially when all of the available QB's have flaws.

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[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;9452018]I'm almost certain that Clark Hunt would prefer a KC drafted and developed quarterback to lead his team over yet another San Francisco QB. But mandating that the Chiefs draft a QB isn't good business sense, especially when all of the available QB's have flaws.[/QUOTE]

What the **** is this shit?

Is that not the case every year?

For KC to draft a first round quarterback, he would need to be made of a mixture of rainbows and unicorns.

Honestly the way I see it, this is worse than the Cassel trade because:

1) we KNOW Alex smith's limitations after 75-80 NFL games.

2) the 34 overall plus possible more

3) if we use the #1 an OT and let Albert walk, it is a lateral move at best

4) at least with Cassel, there was a tiny chance he might have succeeded....at least we swung the bat

5) vrabel LOL

6) Cassel was a patriots guy, the only one to squeeze sunshine out of the alex smith turd is Harbaugh who,last I checked is not in our organization

I can't see Dysert lasting that long.

I'm starting to get worried Matt Scott won't even be there. We're going to get Jones or Cameron and that makes me sad.

The good news is, maybe we'll flip one of them for a 2nd in 3 years.

While I realize that you and your posse believe the Geno Smith is an NFL legend already, the fact is that more people disagree with this sentiment than agree. And if Andy Reid doesn't believe that he can fix Smith's flaws in a timely manner (if at all), then I don't have a problem with it.

But for ****'s Sake, please stop pretending like the ONLY QB that the Chiefs should even CONSIDER drafting is Geno Smith in 2013. That's just plain ludicrous and small minded.

Or maybe he just needs to be a better prospect than Smith, Barkley, Bray, Wilson or Nassib.

What quarterback that comes out doesn't have flaws?

Michael Vick was 6 feet tall.

Cam Newton came from an option offense and had one season in college.

Matt Ryan threw a shit ton of interceptions.

Philip Rivers had a funky ass release.

RGIII played in the spread and wasn't very big.

Philly fans all HATED the McNabb selection.

There is very rarely a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck in the QB class.

They all have flaws.

That might be difficult if we go 8-8 for 3 years.....

I don't know enough about those QB's really, but from what I saw , I liked Barkley.....I'd rather hang on to Albert and roll the dice on the best of those guys.......and have a 34th overall pick to maybe grab a WR or ILB or whatnot

Well apparently, their flaws were something that Reid and Dorsey decided either couldn't be fixed or weren't worth fixing.

Well, we won't know for certain until April 25th.

There's no way the Chiefs spend their top two picks on quarterbacks. Trading the #34 to San Francisco certainly means that Alex Smith will start for the next two seasons, minimum.

Dorsey has already stated that the number one pick is up for grabs. Hopefully, they can get back into the second round (if they aren't swapping seconds with San Fran) because there's quite a bit of talent at the WR and TE positions, something the Chiefs desperately need.

His best season was not as good as Cassel's best season. So I would say it is pretty safe to say he will have little success.

ROFL

Ha ha, right.

If we only we had a high second round pick...

People here have been saying for a while there is a lot of talent in that range with those positions. But we don't need another WR because we have Baldwin who might just need a real NFL QB throwing him the ball so we went out and got one...err, well...we got a QB.

Sadly, this. It's likely that if KC drafts a QB, it will be in the 5th round.

And I really do hope they trade back into the second now because we really need an impact receiving threat. Before I was against trading back then trading up into the first by giving away picks but I would love that now to get back into the second.

I voted above .500 but now I meant below .500. I forgot just how bad he sucked before Harbaugh came along. 7-9 or 6-10.

Dont be so glum,chum!On average 5th round picks almost play like 10-12 games as a starter over their career! YAY!


Oh and going from 34th overall pick to 60 something will only cost us about 25-30% of an average 34th overall pick's career, not to mention pro bowl probability (quality)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/...21f264.jpg?v=0

He's going to play good, relative to Cassel, which is about sub par, at the start and get progressively worse.

Go sit on a pickle jar big boy.

How in HELL did Dane and I become the voices of reason around here? Did the Mayan apocalypse finally happen?

Even I find myself in total agreement with Dane. I need a drink.

Divisional Round Loss (w/ a WC win)

What can I say, I'm feeling optimistic.

Dane,

1)Shefter said they gave up a 2nd and another mid-round pick. All credible reports point to that being the compensation. Glazer said they made a "significant" commitment to Smith. This isn't a flyer.

2) In the last four drafts every team that has picked #1 overall has chosen a QB.

3) Since Blackledge, 65 QBs have been chosen in the first round. Not one of them by the Kansas City Chiefs.

4) You may not like Geno Smith. That's fine. It's also not about Geno Smith. It's about a philosophical commitment to the quarterback position through the draft and this franchise hasn't even shown at attempt to try.

I'm more than comfortable saying that neither Reid nor Dorsey select a first round QB in the length of their first contract here, because Smith is just good enough to manage us into mediocrity.

Should we then defer to their judgment? Like we did Scott Pioli?

Actually, it will probably be the opposite. He will start slow, and get better as he gets more familiar.

Nick Foles will be KC's QB next season. Alex Smith deal will fall through.

Foles is a really good qb. I have no idea why the eagles decided to be such dicks about moving him. Hes never going to start for them

I chose SB winner....why not? I trust Reid and Dorsey--if they decide to pass on Geno, I've gotta think there is real reason. I still hope we acquire a pick that will enable us to nab a developmental project in case Alex doesn't pan out...but wouldn't be totally peeved if they chose another position of need to address.

I suspect those guys know much more about football than most of us, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point. I'll be looking/hoping for Alex to become the Raider version of Gannon. West coast offense, a guru to groom the QB, a solid foundation of vets....we may never win a SB, but given the circumstances, I hope we can make lemonade out of lemons. Sucks we didn't have the #1 last year.

2009 "I trust Pioli!"

2013 "I trust Reid!"

2017 "I trust ___!"

Fixed.

2008 - I think Thigpen can be Gannon!

2010 - I think Cassel can be Gannon!

2013 - I think Alex can be Gannon!

I don't believe thatv for a second.

These guys saw 6 pro bowlers on the roster, and decided to go the safe route, rather than develop a QB.

It's the same bullshit we've seen for 30 years.

2016- I think Dalton can be Gannon

This team is going to flounder between 6 and 1o wins for the next 7 seasons, and we'll hear the same crap we heard from Carl.

Just have to get into the tournament.
Anything can happen.

In the Chiefs case with Alex Smith, anything is getting bounced out in the first game.

Exactly.
History shows you pick the best 1 or 2 qb's of just about any class and you have a good starting qb. This year it's just more difficult to identify the right one. Even in lean years there's someone. This there isn't ANY qb's this year is BS. Like you said it's the safe route which is stupid because we will have to do a Washington type deal to get our guy in the future.
To not pull the trigger now is chicken shit and foolish.

Try the 2010 draft class. Bradford, who was highly rated by most everyone and NO ONE ELSE. This year's class has no one highly rated.....unless you feel Geno is as highly rated as Bradford was (not). Very bad year to spend 1.1 on a QB. It sucks, but that's just how Chiefs cookies crumble.

John Dorsey was a part of a Green Bay front office that traded for Favre when they had the "Majik Man, drafted Aaron Brooks, Mark Brunnel, Hasselbeck, Aaron Rodgers and others I'm certainly forgetting.

Reid drafted McNabb, Feeley, Kolb and others while acquiring guys like Vick and Garcia, all of whom won games for the Eagles.

Comparing those two men to ***** is like comparing Isaiah Thomas to Jerry West.

I knew someone would say this so here

98 Peyton Manning
99 Donovan McNabb
00 Tom Brady
01 Drew Brees
02 David Garrard
03 Carson Palmer
04 Eli Ben Rivers
05 Aaron Rodgers
06 Jay Cutler
07 Kevin Kolb
08 Joe Flacco Matt Ryan
09 Matthew Stafford
10 Sam Bradford
11 Colin Kaepernick
12 Andrew Luck

Out of the last 15 years 1 bad (Kolb) 2 average and 12 qbs you can win a super bowl with.You have who may be one of the 5 most qualified people in the league picking that qb and you don't do it. No one NO one KNOWS that any of the qb's available is NOT a franchise qb. Time will tell not any person.
Now go goozle antifreeze you mouth breathing troll.

So Pioli's executive of the year awards were all bullshit. Got it.

Ted Thompson was the decision maker in Green Bay.
Dorsey is as proven right now as Pioli was when he was hired.

And the only QB that wasn't garbage in a nice package fir Reid wasz. McNabb.

I keep going back to Reid giving Vick $100 million.

Dumb as shit.

I have no doubt they can scheme and make Smith into an efficient passer. But I am so sick of Charles having to face nine in the box at all times because teams don't fear a deep ball.

Why can't we just have a QB that can stretch the field? Maybe someone who throws guys open? A QB that knows his receiver is open before the receiver does? A QB that can say eff you to a great defensive scheme and beat it with his arm without solely relying on the offensive scheme? Is that so much to ask?

that contract was A BLOATED contract...Vick got nowhere NEAR $100M...it was $100M if Vick played the way he played during that one 10 game stretch...

He probably made like $30M total, IF that. This is a terrible point.

Yep. I haven't decided yet on WC loss or over 500 with no playoff appearances.

He got $40 million guaranteed.

It was dumb as hell.

please link me to where he got this money

that contract has already been SHREDDED...

Link me to the breakdown in the money he received when he signed that deal

Dorsey was Director of College Scouting after his stint as a regional scout and NFL player. His career wasn't made from Green Bay hitting on one single late round pick.

Green Bay has hit on tons of college players over the past 20+ years so to categorize him as being the same as ***** is not only incorrect, it's unfair.

Also, Ted Thompson wasn't the Green Bay GM until 2005.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/69...-year-contract

OK, looks like it was actually $35.5 million guaranteed.

http://deadspin.com/5836157/michael-...tract-is-a-lie

Still stupid as hell.

Unproven as decision makers does not equal same.

Ripped, sadly, you missed my point. In 2010 one guy was HIGHLY rated by everyone - Bradford. No one else was, and interestingly, no one else in that class has done squat. This year, no one is highly rated. That bodes ill for rolling the dice on a guy at 1.1. Furthermore, and I've not researched this, but I would bet dollar to donut that the guys you listed probably led their college teams to good if not great records. Who did that this year?

and the contract was only $80M since the 6th year was a dummy year:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_943441.html

and since he restructured this year I bet that guaranteed $$$ went down even further

still researching how gullible you are

Ted Thompson wasn't the Green Bay GM until 2005, so your point is invalid.

so basically...

after restructuring

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-vick

he probably didn't even get all of that guaranteed money

WOW WHAT A MISTAKE! IT WAS SO HARD OF THE EAGLES TO GET OUT OF THAT FAKE $100M CONTRACT.

probably shouldn't use this point anymore GOATSE

wow you're like me circa 2009

NO ONE is on your side

I feel for you buddy.

I don't think any rational person could say this regime is the same as the past.
What I expect from these 2 is not only getting the right qb for us but to develop others for picks as they both been a part of in the past. To pass the first year with the top pick is puzzling at this point . It just seems like that was decided almost too quickly.

Seriously?.

This is what you're going with?

LMAO

he's gone full Hootie