I can work on not fading it out of bounds, being a STH is like paying to watch your mentally challenged caddy fade it out of bounds.

Honestly, leaving the stadium after a loss doesn't hurt at all like it did the first time it happened to me. If it was 2005 and I was fifteen, a 1&7 home slate would probably be the end of me as a Chiefs fan and I would cry at night. But the 2013 version of me that has seen the chiefs go 2-11 at the last 13 games I've attended doesn't really care anymore and just goes to enjoy the environment and support the team regardless of winning.

With 20+ years remaining on the lease, they're not going anywhere.

Bout the same as Most guys do after another summer of being unable to improve their golf game. Hoping next year is better and enjoying memories of friends I hung out with during the season.

I virtually cancelled mine. :D Still can't believe how many of you jumped as soon as Reid was hired. I think about getting the division pack every year but I won't even think about it until after the draft each year. Funny, how each your I choose not to do it because I know the tickets will be cheaper on Stubhub.

The only good thing I can say about last season is, we had decent weather for every home game. If you were rooting for "Visitor" you had a great time.

I walked into the door again.

If you ask that's what I'll say.

It's not your business, anyway....

You realize that your golf comparison is completely disanalogous, correct?

Being a Chiefs fan is pretty cool until you think about it too much.

he keeps opening the club face...

Why would anyone want tickets this year with Dallas and their army of mouth breathing t-shirt fans coming in with a 20,000 person invasion force?

:clap:

He does.

The season-ticket thread would be a real kick in the jewels right now. If memory serves, the rallying cry was, "Put our money where our mouths have been."

If only we had been more aware about where our mouths actually were...

Like Clark Hunt boning our Mom and we are the cuckold?

No, I disagree. On the premise that each is a form of entertainment. Each has a goal that the person being entertained is striving for, and each has it's disappointments when the goal isn't achieved. I do realize that one has it's success somewhat in the persons control and the other does not

Uhhhhh, you know this implies incest

One's success is entirely in the person's control. In the other, the person has absolutely no control over the success or failure of the team.

I don't have an issue with it. That's probably the mentality that separates "true fans" from whatever you hardcore types are calling yourselves these days.

I'm mostly interested in being entertained for 16 (or more) weeks per year by watching a consistently competitive team and hanging out with family every weekend. While I'd like to see them win a playoff game soon, I don't look back on the season as being completely ruined when they don't.

Case in point: this year was a million times more fun for Bronco fans than it was for Chiefs fans. You can say it was a failure because they didn't win a playoff game all you want, but I guarantee you most Bronco fans had a great time this season.

I would imagine to watch the Cowboy faithful go home broken hearted, would be my guess?:hmmm:

In theory yes. In reality no. If you want to be a scratch golfer, you can invest money in lessons, equipment, and practice, and still be unable to be a scratch golfer

When's the last time KC has beat the asshats from Dallas?

In the golf comparison, your actions are the only thing that determine the success or failure of your round.

In the football comparison, you literally have absolutely no impact on the franchise other than forming a partial economic subsidy.

If you want to compare it to watching a movie, TV show, going to a play, concert, fine. Those are all also forms of entertainment that your actions don't affect whatsoever. But it's not in any way related to actively participating in the sport and basing your experience on your results.

I guess I don't see why it matters whether you're in control or not for the basis of this discussion. If control were the central issue in investment, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Yes, and your actions and talent determine that. You are limited by your own shortcomings. You have no impact on anything the franchise does.

It's not that two are even tangentially related, they are so unrelated as to be perfect antonyms of one another.

You think you're comparing two different kinds of dogs. You're actually comparing vertebrates and invertebrates.

I'm a golfer BTW. I carry a 14 handicap. I doubt I'll ever be a single digit guy, despite practicing my ass off at the range. I'm more disappointed if I blow up and shoot a 98 that I "wasted" my day than I am if the chiefs lose.

Because he specifically said that leaving the stadium after 1-7 is like leaving the course for the winter after working on your game and never breaking 90.

If you base the happiness of your outcome on your score in golf, who is it that controls that score?

If you base your satisfaction on the outcome of a sporting event that you aren't participating in, who is it that controls that outcome?

If you work on your craft, you don't hope it gets better. You work to improve it. And your ability and effort determines your success.

The disagreements on this site are so damned entertaining. LMAO

Hammas, I'd suggest you don't buy season tickets since it seems to not be worth the risk for YOU. I enjoy it there, moreso when they win, but I enjoy the day regardless. Twenty years ago I would have had a different take than I do now

That's why I gave them up after 2009.

Again, you seem to think that I'm telling you what you should or should not enjoy. I'm not. What I'm saying is that you are a captive and dependent audience when you watch football. You have no material effect on the outcome of the game.

In golf, everything you do has a material effect on the outcome of your score.

You can enjoy yourself in both regardless of outcome, but if you base part of your enjoyment on the outcome you have to realize the real and crucial dichotomy between the two. In only one do you have control, and in that case you have absolute control. In the other you are completely subject to the actions and decisions of someone else and living vicariously through them.

That's where the disconnect occurs

I still have fun when I go as well, but the group of friends tailgating seems to get a little smaller each year. The diehards are always there though. What I love about the diehards I hang out with, they are still objective about the state of the team.

I bet you are a pretty good ol boy in person

There are different categories.

Some people support the team only so long as they win.

Some people support the team only so long as they agree with the personnel moves that are made.

Some people support the team only so long as they find the experience at the game enjoyable.

Some people support the team as the result of a passion for that team that transcends the ups and downs of the standings across decades.

#4 for me

Haha seriously??? You would have been Hitler's ideal citizen. Way to not question anyone.
The majority of the fan base knew more about football than lots of men that have worked in the business their entire lives. Crennel, *****, Herm, etc.

Hitler reference in a football thread? Seriously?

I am not much of a neg repper man but you deserve it.

$63M contract for Cassel.
Picking up $16M of Alex Smiths contract from San Fran.

Almost $80M dollars thrown at the likes of Cassel and Smith alone. Plus two 2nd round picks, and a conditional 2nd or 3rd.

And drafting QBs is still too risky....

I agree completely.

I shared a portion of season tickets to the Dodgers from 2005-2007. I went to probably 20+ games per season, which is a shit ton (trying to find people last minute, etc. and so on). I don't remember the scores of the games or who won or lost, but I do recall bonding with friends, having beers and dogs and just having a great time.

The older we get and the more responsibilities we have, days and nights like that become more important than wins or losses. Sometimes, it's just nice to get away from the wife and kids for a few hours and hang with the boys. MLB, NHL, NBA and the NFL provide that much needed service.

Now with that said, the Chiefs organization should do everything in their power to put a consistent, winning football team on the field, year in and year out. But their moves, right or wrong, are out of my control.

$57M to Tyson Jackson.

$51M to Glenn Dorsey.


$171M to three players we got nothing out of, and the loss of a 3rd overall, 5th overall and early R2 pick.

We'll be pushing $200M in a few years when we add Alex Smith to the list.

Sorry I didn't mean to offend your Fuhrer.

You are a ray of sunshine

Great seats still available!

There will be 2 in the 2nd row of the upper deck around 4:30 tomorrow afternoon.

Do you know what's more annoying than the true fan? The exact opposite end of the spectrum. You know, the kind that thinks they know everything and bitch about virtually every move. I'd take an oblivous homer over the buzzkill bitch monkeys that suck the life out of a football game. At least the homers aren't always angry.

Sweet, I'll probably grab them up. Thanks.

Bull****. I'm all of the above.

I love the Chiefs even if they don't show that love in return.
Even if the team is losing, I'll still go to a game every now and then.
I'll be critical of them when they deserve it (most of the time lately)
The gameday experience is always enjoyable, even in a loss.

To say I am less of a fan because I can be critical of them is complete horse****. I have loved and followed this team for over 30 years now.

You should. They are great seats.

You're gonna feel dumb when they draft Geno.

Yeah, I would wait until after free agency and the draft. No sense jumping to conclusions just yet.

Cancel, crock o shiite what they did

This forum is full of temper tantrum throwing pussies.

Is this a quote from after Pioli was hired? If being employed means you know what you are doing in sports than there wouldn't be tons of franchises that just can't get out of their own way. This goes with any profession. There are people who take care of cars for a hobby that I am sure are better than some mechanics. Teachers, cooks, ect.

Was seriously considering the option for season tickets, but when they made the A. Smith trade, I said to myself "Forget about it."

Same old shit that's been going on for the last 30 years. :shake:

If you actually believe there is one person on this entire website who knows more about football than Crennel, Pioli, or Herm then you are delusional and beyond help. Have decisions these men have made ultimately been proven to be wrong? Yes, but their knowledge of the sport is greater than anyone that has ever posted on this site. I never said that anyone didn't have the right to question decisions made by Reid, Dorsey, Pioli, Carl, or anyone else for that matter. I simply stated that canceling your season tickets because the regime didn't get the QB that you wanted is childish.

Next time you entertain the idea of bringing up Hitler in a football discussion, remember that it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think your a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

This is kind of a funny post to me. I'd be the biggest homer Chiefs Planet has ever seen if we would for once just draft a QBotf with first pick of the draft. I'd be all in & and say **** the haters. I want to be that fan. Is it too much to ask after 30 years to draft and have our own home grown QB with our first round draft pick?

Bingo Dane. This post says it all. The part about a few beers with the guys is spot on.

FFS, making decisions dealing with football personel is based on the judgement of people. There are tons of variables that can affect whether or not a player becomes a great player or a bust. If these decisions were so easy, Tom Brady would have been the first pick in the draft, Aaron Rodgers would have been the first pick in the draft, etc... Your comparison of mechanics, teachers, and cooks is stupid. Those professions do not rely heavily on one's ability to make a judgement of someone else's future performance.

Your statement that there are tons of franchises that just can't get out of their own way speaks to the difficulty of making judgements of future performance.

Save a beaucoup money by going to a sports bar then...

Yes, it is too much to ask if none of the available QBs are worth taking at #1. You shouldn't take a QB at #1 just because you've been dreaming of a #1 QB for a long time.

A day at a sports bar can't compete with a day at the stadium

Clearly, but if the overall objective is to spend time with friends then I can imagine much more economical means of doing that.

Or, if it's just not the same without attending a live action sport, then why not consider minor league or smaller college games?

This is the one reason I keep my season tickets. Normally my dad goes to the games with me and its nice to spend the day with him. Its not for the product on the field thats for sure.

Just don't let OTWP58 make the jaggerbombs if you want to remember the game.

Everything in life can't be about economics.

I had season tickets for many years. I experienced more bad years than good years. But, we always had fun. We loved tailgating and the game day experience. Seeing our friends and fellow fans. That had value to us.

I wish I lived close enough to get season tickets.

That's why I buy tickets every time they play anywhere near me.

Been following the team since 1966 -- a tad late to change teams now.

A few years back, I took my Dad to a Dodgers game. I didn't have tickets for that particular game (which were 6 rows from first base), so I purchased some in the area for $120 each.

He had an absolutely blast watching the Dodgers beat the Cubs. He loved the view, the stadium, the atmosphere - everything.

I can't remember if the Dodgers won or lost but it's a great memory and sometimes, that's what it's all about.

But...

IMO Geno Smith is worth it to take that risk on and be the guy to build a team around. I'd like the team for a change grow a set of balls and take a chance rather doing the same damn thing and do exactly what the other GM did that got him fired.

I've had plenty of days at the stadium the last couple of years; and a day at the sports bar with another game on the screen would have most definitely been a better time.

Absolutely.

But just to be clear skeptic or those that would like to skew my words, the game day experience that fans cherish doesn't excuse the Chiefs front office from putting a highly competitive team on the field, year in and year out.

I'd bet that 90% of Arrowhead Stadium, right or wrong, is happy with a competitive, competent football team that's always challenging for or appearing in the playoffs. The 90's are proof of that.

I can see that. I didn't attend every game at Arrowhead when I lived in KC and often times, just walking over to Tanner's on 119th on Sunday was just as fun as being at Arrowhead.

But with all things being equal, I can definitely say that my time at Arrowhead, win or lose, was more eventful than a day at Tanner's.

I've seen tooge when he had no control at Arrowhead and when he had no control at the golf course. He and 17 beers are friends now and then.

Give me the 90's Chiefs with a real quarterback like we had with Montana and Chiefs football would be incrediable.

You were probably fortunate enough to watch winning Chiefs football at the stadium or at the bar.

I wasn't fortunate enough to really get that experience. I'd say I've been to the stadium 25 times in the last 5 years or so. I bet I've watched 7-8 wins. I'd be just as happy to round the guys up and head to the local bar to watch the Chiefs lose and only blow $50 instead of $150.

This franchise kills me. I can't continue to fork over entertainment money for what turns out to be misery most of the time.

Hey, maybe the Royals will be worth a shit this year. I'll be there opening day. At least Hoch won't be able to muck that up like last year.

LMAO

I was born in '86; so I wasn't really old enough to appreciate the teams of the 90's. My dad quit watching the Chiefs after the Linn Eliot game, so I didn't go to any games as a kid. I probably really started following and caring about the team in the early 00's. And that's got me jack shit.

Sometimes I wish I could just flip a switch in my mind and root for the Chiefs like I did as a kid. Not care about anything but rooting for them during the game. Not care about the offseason moves and all that. Just roll with it.

*Sigh* Don't think that's ever going to happen.

From 1989-1992 (I left KC in February 1993), I definitely saw more wins than losses. But from 1984-1988, I certainly saw more losses than wins.

And don't even get me started on the 70's, wearing a parka, ski mask and moon boots, only to watch the team lose week after week. That wasn't much fun at all. Tailgating was scarce and even if it did happen, I was way too young to enjoy it.

Yeah, my dick. You might be at first, but here's the kicker: If the player you draft can't hack it then it does not matter where we draft them.

Seriously, some of these comments are borderline reeruned. They are following their board. Their is no job security issues yet, there is a proven history of the 2 of drafting their own qbs. Just because they (like everyone else in the football world, with the exception of the raiders model franchise) don't like the qb prospect doesn't mean shit.

You no sooner can blame them for the drafting policies of the last 30 years than you can for the cold war.

Me neither brother! Hate that place. State line says: Now entering California...You now have Aids.

Yeah, season tickets are different for guys like Marcellus, OTWP, and myself. We don't live in KC. We have a 3 hour drive each way in order to go to the games. It's an all day, or overnight experience, and that adds considerably to the expense. Gas, and hotels on top of tickets, parking, tailgating, and concessions. I need more than brisket to get up at the butt crack of dawn, or fork over north of $100 for a room to come see the games every week.

I can't imagine that haul. Spending 12-14 hours on a Chiefs game just to watch them suck shit. **** that. I only live 30 minutes away and it's too much for me.