I bought a v8 2001 Grand Cherokee with 104,000 miles in 2004 and got about 2 yrs out of it before I gave up on it. In the end there were transmission problems that cost a bunch to fix and then after spending about $1500 trying to get the cooling system to work in the summer heat of Nevada without success, I sold it.

I'm not a mechanic so it was not a good car for me to own as I had to pay others way too much to work on it, and the cooling issue was a big worrying point since you don't want to overheat or get stuck in the middle of the Nevada desert. If you know what you're doing it's probably not too bad. I loved the car itself and it was the best 4wd vehicle I've ever driven. Just too unreliable and expensive to own for me.

Got about 22 mpg on the highway and around 18 mpg in town. I consider that pretty good for a v8 SUV.

Save your money, there'll be a DHS light-armored SUV in you neighborhood just for you before you know it.

Both. I'm 6'1" so I don't fit into cars very well. And I need something I can throw my bike in and haul my tools. Common sense tells me to just buy another Caravan but the newer ones are all loaded down with extra useless features that I just see as more stuff to go wrong. Looked at one last week that had electric sliding doors...what the hell? I never thought to myself once "damn, these sliding doors are way too much of a pain in the ass, I wish I could motorize them!"

I have a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland that currently has 106K on the engine and still runs as good as the day it was new. Good call IMO to get one.

My wife and I both drive small SUVs so I understand. My boys both prefer small sedans. I'm so over feeling like I'm sitting on the ground when I drive and not being able to haul anything because it won't fit in the trunk.

Seems to me that Either the Odyssey or the Sienna run neck and neck for the best of breed! But I am not much of an expert on vehicles....

Wow, what a pissy little bitch, oh what a massive ground breaking revelation the Toyota is good too. Any other killer inside info for us, like don't buy a yugo?

What, used car guy didn't like me breaking everything down to god damn T with not one google search and you found a stupid sliver where you could pop up and say, nu-uh Toyota is good too! Regarding a minivan none-the-less, real big "car guy" street cred there. Eat a dick shitstain, your motivation for posting that is clear as day to me you insecure and colossal douchebag.

There is a few legit car guys in this thread, you aren't one of them.

Pretty pathetic you get paid to know this, it's a hobby for me, but it's obvious whose superior isn't it?

There's a ton of options out there now due to the crossover market of the XUV platforms now. You can go anywhere from SUV to XUV to Van and nail just about every possible option you'd ever want, with any chassis design. The question really needs to come down to Reliability, Affordability, and "comfort".

I will say this, I am not a fan of Minivans because I am a Man with no children, with two working testicles and a beard. That being said, I've been in the automotive industry in various roles for quite a while, and I've worked on it all, and one and ONLY one Minivan stands out to me.

The Honda Odyssey. It is the most comfortable and reliable Minivan I've ever played around with, and almost bought a 2004 Honda Odyssey 5 weeks ago at Auction due to how nice it was for its age, and they hold their value incredibly well.

If you want a Minivan, look no further than the Honda Odyssey, it is all that and a bag of chips, and nothing out there compares to it, except for maybe one of the Ford XUV's like the Flex, and I am a very big fan of them due to their affordability, creature comforts, and the economics of the gas mileage options.

Now you're taking the purist standpoint to the extreme! lol

This is what you want to do really, and especially with a Honda Odyssey, it is above and beyond the most reliable of all options out there so buying one second hand with under 100k on it won't be a problem, it'll last you well into the 1/4 million mark with routine maintenance.

Odyssey for sure. The Sienna is coming into its own but it struggles to hold the market against the Odyssey due to the Sienna having gotten previous horrid ratings coming into the mid 2000's due to its design and "cheap" product line. Now it seems Toyota has tried to aim for a loftier more luxurious goal with the Sienna and I believe that too will miss. That being said, they have fixed some of the issues with the design of the vehicle in the past decade.

Having said that, the Odyssey never had a fault from its inception, it was just great from start until now. Hard to beat that market on that one.

Do not buy a 99 unless you have 1600 for drilled and ported rotors. I had one and they had issues with rotor warping. Loved it other than that

I have this one, and LOVE IT!

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/277563...c-driver-3.jpg

2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland Package

You got ****ed. Hard.

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Nice!!!
Oh, one thing I forgot to mention earlier, and my apologies...
Do NOT buy a 1999-2000 Grand Cherokee. Those, especially the 99, had a shitload of electrical issues. 2002-2004 were the best, especially the latter. My experience with mine pretty much proves that.

I dealt with a 99 and 02. Both were heaps of ****all. Definitely not Road Warrior worthy.

nice house :D

I have a Jeep Patriot '12 and it kicks dick. Did well in the snow...inside was nice. It expensive though.

Suck this pissy bitches cock, dumbass! I merely stated that the Toyota is a viable option to this statement!


Look, dip shit, cum dumpster...YOU go off because I merely proposed an option??? AND NOT pissily!! Get bigger panties because yours wad up way too easily!!!

Oh, I was fine when I agreed that ALL the insights about Jeeps were good...but God forbid, I offer an altering choice(NOT IN ANY WAY KNOCKING the Honda)....mister bulging veins in the fore head, spittle flowing from his lips, has to release a vulgar laden response!! Oh , I bet the boys in the locker room love that talk before you nob on their knobs!!

Hey, your ass holiness...what is my motivation? Please, ****stick....answer that! Oh, and your obvious superiority is ONLY known to you! YOU are the dumbass that stated that the Honda was by far the best choice....and please...attempt to defend that assinine statement!

And offering a COMPARABLE option....does not illustrate ANY insecurities!!

Cock holsters, like you, that go off on a SLIGHTLY differing opinion are why peeps are leaving this BB in droves!!! Suck my cock, pussy!

To be fair my ’60 CJ5 is actually a combination of about 3-4 different vehicles. About the only things still original to it are the frame, some of the tub, and the axle and transfer case housings. Otherwise everything else has been added long after this thing left the Willy’s factory.

You mad?

Just bought a 97 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited love it

Be nice...he juicing! ROFLROFL

I am embarrassed that I lowered my communication level so low that he might understand!:D

Sorry...just thought of the proper response to this. PROBABLY THE ONE THAT GETS PAID!! Look up the definitions....I am a professional....YOU are an amateur.... Let me help you...It's like the difference between Bowe and a College intramural flag football player! Who would you assume is superior???

Woo hoo! 100 post thread!

You're crapping in the tall cotton now.

Which makes wiping SOOOOO much easier!

You should get a Subaru.

I don't have to, because the other real car guy in this thread already did for me. What a shock that you skipped right over this reply:
Exorter175
"Odyssey for sure. The Sienna is coming into its own but it struggles to hold the market against the Odyssey due to the Sienna having gotten previous horrid ratings coming into the mid 2000's due to its design and "cheap" product line. Now it seems Toyota has tried to aim for a loftier more luxurious goal with the Sienna and I believe that too will miss. That being said, they have fixed some of the issues with the design of the vehicle in the past decade.

Having said that, the Odyssey never had a fault from its inception, it was just great from start until now. Hard to beat that market on that one."

You are a professional at dumping whatever lump of shit is on your lot onto whatever idiot you can swindle into buying it, and of course all those critical warranties and undercarriage treatments. How many of those have you sold to some unsuspecting old lady that trusted your "professional opinion"? I already know the answer is "as much as my weasel ass possibly can".



You got lit up because you lurked this thread waiting for any spot to jump in and offer that "professional" opinion, which was completely wrong by the way, and you followed it up with a tear-soaked "Wah! but what do I know...Wah!" and you needed a minivan post to do it. I could taste the tears in that post and can certainly taste them now.

Thanks for sharing all of your gay fantasies with everyone here on CP, but you might want to save that for those "other" forums you frequent.

You are also rightfully angry because I am the guy that you hate, the last two vehicles I have purchased I got thousands off the listed price because I played a bunch of you clowns off each other, walked off several times. Then when I had you at your absolute lowest price, I took out $10K (you finance, I don't need to) in cash and went in and set it on his desk (less $500) and looked at him like a prick and repeatedly said "do you want it or not". They always bend over and take it, because that's what your ilk always does when I walk in and they see they are over matched in every way. Oddly (not really) just like our interaction in this thread.

Cheers Bitch!

GOD DAMN IT IF YOU ALL DON'T STOP ARGUING I SWEAR I WILL BUY ANOTHER MINIVAN

You need this

http://www.failcar.com/images/cars/F...d-Mini-Van.jpg

LMAO Why would someone build something like that? Just go buy a damn SUV for crissakes.

Guessing from the 14 bolt rear axle and Dana 44 front that someone had a mid ‘70’s Chevy ¾ ton 4X4 with a rusted away body and a minivan with a blown driveline. Put the two together and SHABAM!
There’s a guy running around C-Town with a Chevette body on an S-10 4X4 frame that is actually a capable little off roading rig.

there is a guy running around here with a hearse on a mid 70's 4x4 frame LOL

Back in the '80's, there was a tire shop/off-road center in Salem that a 70's era Camaro on a 4x4 frame (Bronco maybe). It sat out front and was fixed up to advertize the shop. Have no idea if it ran, though.

Now THAT would be cool.

welp I'm really late to this party....but I've had two Cherokees, a 99 and an 05. two of the best vehicles I've ever owned. pretty problem free. I like 'em. acourse there are lemons of every make and model out there, but my two were great.

I have a 2011 Odyssey. The first year with the redesign. We love it. PM me if you have more specific questions

I love Jeeps. I have a 2007 Grand Cherokee that I haven't upgraded simply because I still love it. I might look at the 4 door Wrangler this summer, but the GCs are great.

Cons:

There is very little room in the backseat. Seriously, it's tight.

They are gas hogs. Even the 6 cyl.

I'm done, give us an update. You're not working at the moment and have cash in hand correct? Have you driven or looked at anything?

Eh, I rarely have back seat passengers so that's not much of a concern. The gas mileage certainly is, but it's not like my Caravans have been gas misers as far as city driving goes.

I'm still working some, I just don't have a steady job at the moment, if that makes any sense. But yeah, I have cash, been saving since last summer. I've looked at a couple Grand Cherokees and driven one Durango so far, but I haven't been very excited to go out and do a whole lot of looking yet because the weather has been shit lately. Hopefully I can get out some this weekend.

I love car shopping when it's something newer. Car shopping in the lower end, though, totally sucks imo.

I bought this in August and love it

I have a 2004 and it is horrible for gas...went to South Dakota and best I got was 20 MPG highway...in city it's closer to 16. Other than that, we've had no problems and have owned this one for 5 years. Only has about 100k on it now because my wife is the principal driver and she only has like a 5 mile commute.

BTW BUG don't know if you'd be interested but within the month I'll have a '06 Hyundai Sonata for sale.Very good condition,4 door,little over 65,000 miles,ac,sunroof,power windows,cd,one owner,great on gas.

Thats a nice rig. Been wanting one myself. Just cant bring myself to do it because of the bad gas mileage and i have a long commute.

Nice looking ride, is that a factory package or did you do some aftermarket work?

Bug, I'd avoid the Durango like the plague if I were you. If you're looking at the same vintage/price range as the others the Durangos in that range are going to be real risky. If it's near or over 100K, you'll basically be flipping the coin on a daily basis to see whether your transmission will make it through the day.

Also, no better weather to test drive 4x4s than the crappy stuff.

Factory,since the pic was taken I did tint the front windows.

What package, couldn't see a badge on the side where they usually are.

edit: just realized I'm asking a dude on the internet about his "package".

Love the new Wrangler Unlimited, but I still need a truck bed to haul things from time to time. If Jeep built an Unlimited with a small truck bed instead of a storage space behind the rear seats I’d trade my F-150 in today.

Don't forget the part about it not being a Honda! :D

Yes, it does. I always start off excited, but that excitement quickly turns into frustration with the idiot private sellers and sketchy car dealers. Then it turns into outright fear when you start researching things and hearing the horror stories people have had with what you're considering buying. It gets to a point where you just want to buy something and get it over with.

Appreciate that but I can't do a car. It's either gotta be another minivan or SUV.


Yeah, I'm real apprehensive about the Durango as far as reliability, but I'm extremely comfortable in them and I love the styling. I'd have to have $2,000 set aside for when (not if) the transmission goes.

Unfortunately the crap we have now is just windy and cold, no snow.

Bug, did this guy drop his price?

Even though it's a small dealer, he has glowing reviews and quite a few on cars.com.

This looks like a good ride, you're getting a big discount due to the stick. Looks like he tagged something with the front bumper, but that piece that is missing is about as strong as saran wrap so I wouldn't worry too much.

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

Also, if this is still available, I would be tempted to drive to Omaha, kick you in the nuts and steal your money and leave it in the driveway for you.

http://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/3549024684.html

I get the appeal of the Durango and like them too, but listen to Nancy "just say no".

heh, contrary to popular belief, Honda is not the only brand ive ever owned. : )

I think that's still the same price on the Xterra, I suppose I should head back down there and take a closer look at it. He did brag about his internet reviews when I was down there last week but something about him just rubbed me the wrong way.

I have not seen that 4runner, did a search for them a while back and they were all waaay out of my price range. That looks like a damn good deal, almost too good. I wouldn't be able to get to Lincoln until tomorrow though, I bet it doesn't last too long.

Well that is a given, they have only been importing cars to the U.S. for about 40 years you old fart. :D

The first one I saw was chain driven over on Guam in 1969, but they wouldn't let them import those.

I know I've been pushing the Nissans, but you can safely go back to 95-96 on a clean 4runner that is well maintained and sub 150K miles with virtually no problems.

Damn, I just noticed that ad for the 4runner is dated Feb 1. No way it hasn't sold yet. Phone goes straight to voicemail, I bet the douche just didn't bother pulling his ad down. That shit pisses me off.

Highlander. My wife loved it till she hit a deer at 75 mph. Now she is driving 2013 Rav4.

/jeep wave

Nice rig man.

I bought mine in May last year.

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...8667883852.jpg

Yeah, that's that why I said "if". You never know, leave a vmail.

Also Xterra guy has this, might want to visit him again.

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

Might want to call this guy for details, couldn't find any specifics on his shit site.
http://omaha.craigslist.org/ctd/3634248003.html

COchief is good at spending other people's money.



:D

You can put a tow package on a Jeep if that's what you like. and the seats do fold down. I can understand though that might still not meet your needs.

I have to say though, now that I'm a Jeep owner, I don't think I will ever own anything else. Just too much fun driving one.

LMAO I'm actually surprised at some of the stuff he's finding. Like I said though, I kind of gave up on the 4runners early on. I can't believe I missed that silver one when I was down there. It was ****ing cold that day though and I didn't spend a whole lot of time down there.

4runners are nice too.

Do they still make them?

Ha, it really is that I have spent a ton of time researching this exact vehicle range and feel a little less dorky if I can actually help someone out. Take this as you will, but when any of my friends decide to go with something new, I get the "begin the hunt" email.

Bug, when searching CL for 4runners, you have to search 4runner and 4 runner as people list them both ways and due to CLs garbage search you'll miss some.

The Sienna comes in AWD. And according to Edmunds, "When it comes to family haulers, nothing beats a minivan. And when it comes to minivans, it's tough to beat the 2013 Toyota Sienna"

And New cars.com says..."The Toyota Sienna has less seating than the Honda Odyssey, making the Honda Odyssey the better choice, if you need to chauffeur many passengers. You'll be able to fit about the same amount of groceries in the Toyota Sienna as you will in the Honda Odyssey." But the Odyssey does NOT come in AWD!

The Highlander is a great value. NOT overly rugged though.

The CL search does suck but it doesn't help when these idiot sellers that I alluded to earlier don't know how to properly advertise their vehicles. I get annoyed when I have to call or email them for basic shit like engine type or mileage. CL really should have a tutorial for these morons, but they probably wouldn't use it anyway.

True, but the kicker is some of those idiots are 60 year old men that have been wiping their car down with a diaper every week. I called on a MR-2 out of the newspaper a few years back when online ads had already taken over. The guy was a moron, but damn that thing was mint, drove it for a summer and re-sold to the first guy that looked for a $2k profit.

The guy you want to find probably buys a new car every 15 years and has no idea what he is doing, can suck on the surface, but a call sometimes can find you a gem.

Yes.

Just giving shit. I do the same thing. I love car shopping when it isn't me paying for the car.

When I was shopping last year, I thought about stating a CL moron thread. I couldn't believe what people do. Stuff like ads with a title like "1992 Honda" that doesn't have a picture or tell you what model it is. A lot of them don't tell you what transmission the car has.

Heh, I suppose that's true. I have a job scheduled for this afternoon but I'm going to try to get down and check out that 4runner before it gets dark out. Maybe I'll get a better impression of the place this time.

Yes they do but the are bigger now.

I always click "has image" when I do searches. If you can't even bother to take the time to upload a picture then I'm going to move on.

I saw one a while back where the seller gave a brief one sentence description, then wrote an entire paragraph of all the things he'd be willing to trade the vehicle for.

On a side note, facebook really creeps me out at times. Right after talking about these on here, I go to my fb page and I see this ad:

Search on Cars.com
https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/sa...77_37105_n.jpg
Get great deals on a 2000 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4WD.


142,819 people like Cars.com.

Last point on this:

-Who would you buy a car from if you had your choice of previous owners? (for me 60-80 year old person)

-How crappy is their ad likely to be? (pretty damn crappy)

That's a damn good point.

Here's an example...my god.

http://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/3662760159.html

That is exactly what I am talking about, that might be some confused 70 year old. Once he puts pics up (again an old person would probably struggle with this) and some details that could be gone in a second, but you can beat those guys to the punch if you jump on it and call before they do.

Obviously could be a huge piece of crap too though.