Both rookies.

If all else is equal, the QB position is much more important. That doesn't mean you take a wild swing at whatever QB prospect happens to be available though.

You don't say.

He already said he doesn't think they need to be replaced.

So where are we going to play Joeckel? QB?

He's already lost this argument.

Yet you'd take a wild swing at a LT who isn't even considered to be the #1 LT available.

Dorsey and Reid just did EXACTLY THAT.

Alex ****ing Smith. ROFL ROFL ROFL

Rookie OL struggled, yet the team ran the ball at will and the line graded out as a Top 10 unit, so piss away the pick on another high OL pick...awesome

Worst QB play in the history of the league, but it's a "waste" to spend a 1st and 2nd on the most important position.

He lost before it began. DC rots the brain.

I was going to go with the retiring guard who was playing center for the first time. Because we had no backup in case our starter went down.

Exactly...probability.

You can win a small pick em bracket challenge based on luck. You aren't going to win a pool that extends over the course of an entire season based on luck.

Branden Albert hasn't been GREAT. He's been improving and he was well above average when he was healthy the last couple of years. He hasn't been a top 5 LT. He may have been a top 10 LT, but I'd take the over if we set the line at 8. In a 32 team league, that's not what I'd call GREAT.

ROFL

Picking winners is an ENTIRELY different ballgame vs. what we're talking about in this thread.

Go ahead and defend him if you must. He's an obvious moron.

ROFL

You're an idiot.

No, I sure wouldn't.

Quality QB play/awareness would make him look even better.

Hell look at Clady under Manning/Tebow. It was ridiculous the difference in perception/level of play.

Then what's your point?

We're talking about the draft, big guy. It pays to be a dumb**** who can read. Really it does.

ManBearPig

Make sure to narrow the scope of your statement as much as you can so that you can cling to semantics and technicalities.

Your DC bullshit won't work here, mouthbreather.

Who graded them out as a top 10 unit?

There's probably quite a bit of truth to that. It's definitely worth considering. Also worth considering is whether or not Branden Albert can be the long term LT solution. Is he signable? Is he able to stay healthy? Etc. I would hope that the answer to both of those is "yes", but if it's not or if it's "too early to tell", then the possibility of a future without BA has to be considered as well.

No one denies that. Even Scott Pioli knew that which is why we have Donald Stephenson.

And it would be great if Donald Stephenson had already emerged as the second coming of Anthony Munoz. As of now, though, he's still something of a question mark AFAICT. He's the only possible LTotF on the roster right now though. I'm not sure that's the best position to be in a year from now if BA is gone. That doesn't mean that 2013 1.1 is the only possible solution, but it is one of the possible solutions. (And the other solution, obviously, is to sign BA long term).

I'm on board for the BPA (at an impact position) at 1.1, whoever that is.

LTotF.... LMAO

Only on Chiefsplanet haha

Stephenson may or may not be. Regardless though, as of now Albert is the LT of the future. And when you have a LT for at least one more year and a young backup to him on the roster already, a replacement backup at 1.1 is simply not an option that has any resemblance of making sense.

Offensive line isn't a place where you want just-in-time replacements, particularly if you're going to rely on mid-to-late round picks. Waiting until next year to decide that you need an immediate replacement for BA and that Stephenson isn't going to cut it is a bad position to end up in.

All 8 teams can rescind the tag Mike Florio

Quarterback isn't a place where you want just-in-time Replacements, particularly if you're going to rely on mid-to-late round picks. Waiting until next year to decide that you need an immediate replacement for AS and that Stanzi isn't going to cut it is a bad position to end up in.

Alex Smith is under contract for at least 2 more years. Other than that, I agree with you.

You didn't answer the first time I asked. Who's the backup LT for the Superbowl champs?

A 2-14 team drafting a LTotF with a ~top 10 LT former first round pick still on the roster is a waste of a high pick.

The Chiefs can recind the tag...and the chiefs can also back out of the Alex Smith trade.

Neither will happen.

I assume the backup LT for the Ravens was Michael Oher, but I don't know for sure. I'm not sure that helps you make your point.

ProFootballTalk: Sam Mellinger of KC Star on PFT Live says he believes there's a chance LT Branden Albert will be traded.

Q you ****ing reerun.

Not my tweet.

boy, if they traded albert for a second round pick, and then turned around and drafted joeckel anyway, this board would come crashing down.

See, your logic makes sense when it is applied to the QB position, not the LT position. Sure, LT is an important position, but its importance is far over blown with the "Truefans" and isn't nearly as important as the QB.

Your concern shouldn't be developing the next LT, it should be developing your next QB. We have a young LT, and a young developmental LT. We have nothing at QB.

You're so concerned with Albert's back. Why aren't you just as concerned with Alex Smith's injury history?

You're so concerned with grooming a LT in case Albert doesn't work out. Why aren't you concerned with grooming a QB, the most important position the field, in case Alex Smith doesn't work out?

Maybe you're right, maybe Albert's back is an issue. Maybe im right, and Alex Smith isn't going to work out well for us either.

Maybe.....after the 2013 season both of these guys have failed to live up to expectations.....if that scenario were to occur, which of the following scenarios would be best:

1. A Geno/Barkley that has been under the tutelage of Andy Reid for the past season, knows the offense and his teammates + Some mid round LT

or

2. Joeckel + Some mid round QB who will be expected to come in and turn the franchise around?

Basically.....Which is the better investment; LT or QB? Which position will benefit the Chiefs more from sitting and learning for a season? If both Albert and Smith live up to their expectations and are retained, which position would have higher trade value, LT or QB? I think the answers are pretty damn obvious to anyone who's followed the NFL.

Why would they trade him?

They have openly said that they want to sign him long term.

You don't need a Munoz to win a Super Bowl, let alone BACKUP Munoz's ROFL

You do need a quality QB though and we didn't have one.

They're not going to trade him. It's just idiots desperately trying to hang on to Luke Joeckel.

The point is that the Superbowl champions didn't feel it necessary to have a LTotF even on the roster. Their starting RT was their backup LT. They won the Superbowl with that approach.

Yet you're advocating that a 2-14 team spend a first round pick on a LT this year, when we not only already have a 1st round pick already playing there, but we spent the #74 overall pick on his backup just last season. You outright admit that we still don't know how good Stephenson is. Yet you're ready to spend a high pick on a replacement already.

Who would trade for him anyway? Jake Long, Sebastian Volmer and Andre Smith could all be had without losing draft picks. Albert is better than all of them but not by enough to give up the compensation we would want.

This fan base has a weird obession with offensive lineman.

Add in the abundance of "Ogden" quality LT's in the draft, a team would be stupid to trade for Albert.

Dorsey said they'll continue to work toward a long term deal.... I don't know why that wouldn't be true.

I blame Carl.

And other team's back up QBs.

Yes it is. It absolutely is. Many teams only carry 7-8 offensive linemen on their final roster. You don't have depth at OLine as deeply as you do most other positions. Which is why many teams, such as the Superbowl champ Ravens, don't carry a full-time backup LTotF, let alone spend draft picks on it when they already have a solid starting LT.

Also Carl's fault.

Alabama people said he was 3rd/4th best OL they had on the team. Just relaying information...

I'm no less concerned about Alex Smith's health and viability as a starter than Branden Albert's.

The guy that is more valuable is the guy who ends up being a successful NFL player instead of a bust, even if that guy is a LT. If Geno Smith is that guy, he's obviously the better pick.

You don't need Munoz, but you can't live with Barry Richardson or Jordan Black either. The point though, is that Donald Stephenson didn't prove himself last year. It's too early to pass judgment on him and he may still end up being a front line LT starter, but we haven't seen it yet.

You need quality at both QB and on the offensive line. This shouldn't be an either/or situation.

The Ravens are going to have challenges in 2013. I won't say their window is closed, but it's not nearly as open as it was last year. They were in "win now, and I mean right now" mode last year. Unless you think the Chiefs are ready to take a run at the Super Bowl in 2013 and you're willing to take a step back in 2014 to rebuild/retool, it's not really an apt comparison.

The Chiefs should be building toward a freshly opened window over the next 2 years, not acting like the window is about to close.

I'm envious the Ravens won another Super Bowl but I don't see them as a contender next year...I see them as a quality, but aging team that would need another Rahim Moore to go their way...honestly, gun to head, I feel like they could miss the playoffs next year.

I could be wrong, I'm anti-flacco so that plays a part in it for me

Pat, this practice is by no means limited to the Ravens. Look at San Fran's depth chart. Who's their backup tackles?

San Fran depth chart: http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/...rancisco-49ers

How about the Patriots?

http://www.patriots.com/games-and-st...pth-chart.html

Or the Packers, where Dorsey was involved?

http://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart.html

Look at the way these playoff teams handled their backup OLine situation. You'll find in many cases there are no backup tackles, or they have 1 backup for multiple positions. You're grossly overestimating how they supply the OLine position.

How many more ****ing Albert scenarios do I have to live through? What about the one where he our starting LT in 2013? I haven't heard that one.

You are so butt hurt over the Rahim Moore deal. Every Super Bowl champ has a break that goes there way.

Get out of here with that sort of talk!!

Too bad the Chiefs don't agree with you.

They're TOTALLY operating as if the window is open RIGHT NOW.

They'd be foolish not to believe that.

Just two years ago, this team went 7-9 without Eric Berry, Tony Moeaki and Jamaal Charles. They had Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton as QB's.

Fast forward two seasons and not only do they have six Pro Bowlers and all of those players back from major injury, they've added a very good "game manager" in Alex Smith and one of the best offensive minds in the NFL as head coach. They've also finally switched to an attacking "1 gap" defense, something me and others have been screaming for since the 3-4 conversion.

If the Chiefs continue to have a good offseason, I see no reason why they shouldn't feel like the window is open.

It's not like the AFC is loaded with great teams right now.

The Ravens are currently in a different phase of their roster cycle than we are. In 2008, the Ravens LT was Jared Gaither. He started 15 games that year and played pretty well. The Ravens drafted a LTotF in the first round of the 2009 draft even though Gaither was going to be back. In 2009, Gaither continued to play LT for them (although that year he had signficant injury issues) while Michael Oher was introduced to the line at RT.

The next year, Oher moved to the left side and Gaither was released.

No one is advocating that we carry a front-line-quality, ready-to-start-now offensive tackle as a backup. That shouldn't be so hard to understand.

They're operating as if the window is opening. They're not (and they should not be) acting as if the window is closing. I doubt seriously that they think a Super Bowl run is much more than a small possibility in 2013. I wouldn't be surprised if they think contention in the division and a playoff appearance are pretty possible though and if you get that far, anything can happen (Carl!).

Could have fooled me....

I guess I did. Nowhere have I advocated carrying a starter as a backup. If anything, I've suggested the possibility that Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson would go back to being backups where they can continue to develop and maybe, a year from now, one of them might be ready to step in somewhere along the line.

And FTR, I'm also not advocating a LT at 1.1, but if it happens, I'll understand it.

Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson are the current backups. We still don't know how good they will be. If we draft other linemen, we will not retain those new rookies plus Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson. Because teams don't carry that many OLinemen. So at the least, you're advocating that we give up on previous #44 overall pick and #74 overall picks, and replace them with other unknowns before you yourself are even sure about their potential. So any outcome is going to be a waste of good draft picks.

It's a dumb approach. Our current linemen are good enough, and our currently backups have enough potential, that OLine is very far from a need that should be addressed before QB and even other positions.

I have to agree with the fish. Stephenson is a quality backup with starter potential at this point in my mind. He flashed a lot last year, but also made some rookie mistakes. Allen appears to have a bit further to go, but is certainly serviceable at this juncture.

Someone has to start at LG. If those two are current backups, we have an empty spot on the line. And a second spot is up in the air for 2014 depending on what happens with Albert.

So no. What you say I'm advocating is not what I'm advocating. You're building a strawman (perhaps unintentionally if you didn't realize that Ryan Lilja is retiring). OLine is a need.

Allen is starting at LG, and Hochstein is backing him up. So not really......

So patteeu would spend the first overall pick to improve the left guard spot over a serviceable rookie drafted in the early second last year. Any other ridiculous notions we want to get out of the way?

:facepalm:

Yeah, he's on the depth chart. That doesn't mean we don't have a hole though. If Dorsey had let Branden Albert walk, we'd have had Donald Stephenson as a starter, so why'd he waste Chiefs money on that franchise tag, am I right?

Why would we take a ****ing LT of the future? Thats a waste of a pick. Its time to take our QB of the future. We've spent too many early picks on oline. We could use number 1 pick and have our QB and develop him

There is not one reason this team needs to draft or sign a single lineman outside of a dime a dozen center to back up Hudson...we are 100% set at OL

Again... teams don't keep more than 8 linemen on the roster. And the backups are expected to play several positions if shit hits the fan.

Right now as projected starters we have:

Albert: #15 overall pick
Allen: #44 overall pick
Hudson: #55 overall pick
Asamoah: #68 overall pick
Winston: #66 overall pick

Not one guy picked later than the 3rd round. And on top of that we have a backup picked #74 overall. How can you look at that and still say OLine is a position of need?

I challenge you to compare that to other teams' OLines, and where they're drafted, and how many backups they carry. You'll find that the Chiefs are well above average in addressing the OLine with quality draft picks. We even have a backup with considerable potential. Which is more than many teams can say. I've given you several examples from last year's playoff teams. Look at some others. The Chiefs are in very good shape there, and the idea of needing to spend another high draft pick on OLine is painful.

I swear, 90% of people over the age of 40 will just blindly pound the table for O-lineman. And then they'll bring up the Will Shields/Willie Roaf days...Those were the days.

John Dorsey was just on 810 said. Right now Albert is the starting LT that's all he would say.

I like Dorsey he's having fun not tipping his hand