There were people ready to storm Arrowhead with torches and pitchforks if they "wasted" the #1 pick on a quarterback before the Alex Smith trade.

If they took a QB with that pick now, the KC area would suffer an epidemic of family annihilator killings, with mom and the kids dead in their beds and dad's body seated in his worn out easychair with the big framed poster of Marty Schottenheimer behind him.

I still think that they're going do everything they can to trade down. I'm just not going to close my eyes, put my fingers in my ears and refuse to believe that they won't draft a QB at 1.1.

EDIT: I'm not saying that you are....BTW.

You can't start someone who's on IR

ROFL Heh, don't know about all that but wives would be beaten, that's for sure.

This isn't Nebraska

No, it wouldn't. If they took a QB....this fanbase would defer to Andy Reid and John Dorsey and claim that they know what they're doing.....like they do with every pick the Chiefs make.

Yep. Sheeple.

The question wasn't what options are palatable to you. You were asked to call your shot. By simply stating different options, you are doing the exact same thing I was doing, only using lame wishy-washy language so you can back out of it later.

CALL YOUR SHOT.

What are the Chiefs going to do with 1.1.

but if Andy/Dorsey see it the way I see it...

Geno could go #1 and be 3rd string for a year. That's fine with me. Let Alex play, sign a veteran to back him up, and give Geno a "coaching/learning" year. That's fine.

If Alex can get us to 9-7 and plays another Harbaugh-esque year and is efficient...we could always flip him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder on his expiring contract year to a team that is "sold" on him because he is, in fact, an efficient game manager (if he puts together another year this year like he did for 8 games in 2012 there is no doubt he's a valuable QB to some franchise out there)...

so lets say we start Alex for a year for a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder (2014) and then flip him for a 3rd rounder in 2014 (and maybe another conditional pick in 2015)...so we can afford a guy who is (according to most) pretty raw (Geno Smith) a learning/coaching year...and I have zero issue for that.

If that's the master plan...then I say genius.

Basically trade a 2nd and 3rd for 1 year of Alex Smith and then turn his expiring contract into a 3rd and 4th the following year while affording Geno Smith 1 year to work out all of his kinks, get a year of Andy Reid coaching, and get an NFL year under his belt.

If that's what they are doing...my ****ing God, we have a guru front office/coaching staff.

I just said trade back.

to me, it is absolutely trade down or bust because I've already come to the realization Geno isn't going #1...

of course, the Eric Berry year EVERYONE had us taking Okung until draft day when people started saying, 'meh, maybe Berry after all!' and when it happened it was COMPLETE AWESOMENESS/BEST FEELING EVER!

so as of now I refuse to believe we're taking QB at #1 after the Smith trade...but if it happens, and the scenario I just posted is the master plan...then it'll be the Eric Berry pick all over again times a trillion.

If signs a decent free agent CB and DL, he will have the luxury of using the # 1 for Geno because we'll have no more gaping holes to fill.

The rest of the draft will be used to add a WR and depth at other positions.

Damn you Darwin!

THIS he takes sacks like fat old ladies taking farter starters...concussion , injuries...benchings....gotta gotta have a good young backup..

I wouldn't be surprised if they trade down and still grab a QB.

Maybe the Eagles want to trade up and grab a LT or maybe they want to trade up for Geno Smith. So we trade down to #4.....get a 2nd round pick.....and we take Barkley at #4.

Nobody knows what the **** they're going to do right now.

And pick who?

Whoever they want. The question was, what do they do with 1.1?

There are legions of people opposed to taking a quarterback. They've spent the last week celebrating their righteous victory and ordering Alex Smith fatheads. There are plenty who would just fall in line, but those aren't the ones who've spent the last two months drawing lines in the sand.

Way to stretch there.

I called Dontari Poe. I now call the Chiefs take whoever they want. LISTEN TO ME!

There is nothing worse than the casual NFL fan.

Same here!

lol, I can't believe people actually think after what they gave up for Smith, the Chiefs are gonna spend their first pick on another QB.

The Chiefs made a commitment to Smith, just like Pioli made a commitment to Cassel when he was brought in.

Alex Smith is our unquestioned starting QB in 2013, 2014 and probably 2015. Enjoy!

Cry me a geno, you and blackbob should get a room. WE ARE TAKING GENO #1!! GTFOVERIT!

Dont be jealous bro, we all cant be perfect

Funny/ironic sidenote:
Thumbing through Lindys draft analysis of Geno-

NFL comparison:

Alex Smith...with a more accurate deep ball. lol

With the developements of yesterday, the likely hood that they could take geno actually goes up, not down. It goes up because now andy reid has a qb that he can rely on this year, and perhaps he did like Geno Smith, but didnt think he would be ready to play right away. With Alex Smith now he has a guy that he can not only rely on as a starter, but also as a teach to Geno. I see Geno very much in the same ideal that Kaep was when he was drafted. Everyone knew that Kaep would need to sit, which made alex smith the perfect place holder for geno. Now geno will get at least the first season, (if drafted here of course) to sit and to learn. If alex smith gets hurt week 10 and geno comes in and stars, then alex smith will have ground hog day all over again. Either way, i do believe that within the next two years that geno would be ready to start.

I still believe though, that the first choice of Andy Reid and Dorsey will be to trade down. But if they cant, i can see andy taking Geno and figuring out the rest later. losing pick 34 in the grand scheme of things, isnt that big of a deal. Especially if it means you dont have to draft a qb in the first round for the next decade.

We just traded for White Geno, now it is time to draft Black Alex.

We've lost our second round pick for the better part of a decade (might as well have due to shitty drafting), what's losing it again on a starter

true. at least you wont have to worry about drafting a dexter mccluster esque player this year.

they didnt trade 2 second rounders for alex to get geno sorry, its either joeckl, dee, or star

Your profile pic, Game of thrones is the best show on television and its delightful to see that you watch it. I honestly think people that dont watch that show before they die can add 1 regret to there life, and this is coming from a guy who loved walking dead/Lost Pre dumb seasons/ Revolution or whatever else you can come up with. This blows them all out of the water and seriously gives LOTR a run for its money in that department.

Yeah there is. The non-NFL fan who still tries to argue about the game with someone who knows what they're talking about. For instance...guy I work with kept arguing with me that Tim Tebow was the best QB in the NFL in the last decade. He knows nothing. He is just a bible thumper from frickin Denver and hopped on the Tebow bandwagon. He couldn't tell me one other player on their roster. ROFL But decided to argue with me anyway when I told him Tebow was dog shit and that Denver would toss him aside the second they were able to land a real QB. Whattya know....look what happened.

THAT is worse than a casual fan. Sorry...I just had to get that off my chest.

I normally don't neg rep people.....but i think it's time.

He may be correct in that assessment though. Now that Reid & Dorsey got Alex Smith, they might have 0 interest in drafting a QB with that #1 pick. There's no way of telling until the draft, as I'm sure they'll play their cards close to their vest.

lol, he has his opinion on the quarterback and you sound like a giant d-bag just talking about the topic itself... And its funny you call him a bible thumper but if those bible thumpers hate on whatever you believe or dont believe in and laugh at your for thinking you turn into a tree when you die you get all offendedROFL i think if i met u in RL id slap you in the face and then piss on you

Did you ingest antifreeze as a child?

Do it I did. And it felt good.

Whose that chick from your profile pic i heard shes famous

Dude **** yourself. You don't know the guy I'm talking about. He comes up and starts arguments with me about football. I don't talk about it with him unless he antagonizes me. He doesn't watch ANY games. He didn't even watch their playoff game for ****s sake.

Do the HARLEM SHAKE

What happened to blackbob. I know he had a zillion alts. Does he still?

It's not about Smith. It's about Joeckel.

Anyone who declares that Smith is out, But Joeckel is still in play can go eat a bowl of dicks.

After the tagging of Albert, the likely hood of drafting Smith went up and Joeckel went down.

If you don't believe that there is a better chance now that Smith is the guy, fine.

But don't sit here and tell me that Joeckel is still a likely target.

She's a really annoying internet chick, who posts videos and talks like she's on speed. But she's really cute so she got internet-famous. Her name is Boxxy. I had to ask him the same question a while back lol.

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This I agree with. I can't see them drafting Joeckel now. But I still have a bad feeling that they won't draft a QB with the #1 pick. Perhaps they'll trade down and grab a QB (be it Geno or someone else - depending on how far they trade down). I'm really clueless as to what they're thinking at this point.

I don't see any way they're spending multiple 2s on the position and then spending another 1.

And he'll be better at QB than Cassel

If they signed Albert, I'd feel stronger about this. Drafting a T at 1.1 that they can ease into the lineup having Albert around for one more year is something I could see. I would hate it, but I could see it.

First of all, we don't officially know the compensation for Alex. And second, even if it is 2 seconds, a first and 2 seconds is a small price to pay if they think they have a good shot at addressing the QB position for the next decade or so.

You can rationalize all you want, but nothing short of seeing them actually do it on draft day is going to convince me it was ever even a remote possibility. I just don't see it happening. People are coming up with all these fantasy scenarios, when the reality is...Alex Smith is our quarterback, and will be our quarterback for the forseeable future. The sooner folks come to grips with that, the less of a disappointment April 25th will be, whatever happens that day.

While this is probably true, have you seen a worse group of Qbs in the last 10 years on 1 team? Drastic measures were/are needed.

Sure I have!







course it was on the same team a few years ago

You don't ease tackles into the lineup, especially ones that you draft in the 1st round. LT's typically aren't going to get better by sitting on the bench.

QB's however......

We don't know. That's the truth.

Before Albert was tagged, everyone thought it would Be Joeckel. Dorsey/Reid have effectively filled the majority of their holes on the roster, allowing them to do whatever the hell they want w/ #1, including drafting for depth.

My heart says QB, but my brain says DL, or maybe even Milliner. Every option is on the table, though I think an OL is the least likely option, because it doesn't fill a need and it's not the kind of position you sit and develop.

They better not slide back behind the Cardinulls. I live in Phoenix, and the team is gushing about Barkley.

If we don't take Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher with the first pick, we are jackasses for not trading down.

I can listen to any argument about abilities and needs. In fact, I can almost buy the need for Geno Smith (although I still doubt his abilities). but any fool who wastes anything more than a 7 or 8 pick for Geno Smith may as well piss dollars and give away bank accounts. Why take only Smith when you can have Smith and another pick, more cash, or a complimentary player?

For those of you that believe Geno Smith is a number 1 pick, I have a 1976 Ford Fairmount that I will sell you for 29,000.00 cash.

:facepalm:

This, again?

This shit will not stop, ever.

No. He ingested antifreeze when he joined this forum and had it shoved up his ass with a tree branch ... jus' sayin'

Holy shit. Sorter is even more of a creep than I thought.

Seriously, the vehicle still runs. I will gladly send you pics. Surely you need a competent vehicle that should run for a while for a little more than reasonable price.

lolwut?

The difference between Andrew Luck's contract and Mark Barron's contract is $7 million dollars. It's fully guaranteed either way.

If wanting to bang Boxxy makes one a creep, I don't wanna be anything else!

If a team believes Geno is worth the #7 or #8 pick, then that same team is going to have the same value for Geno at #1. It would be foolish to plan your draft with the intention of trading down. If you're sitting at #1, and think the guy you want will go at 7 or 8, you take him. You can create the imaginary scenario in which you ask yourself "Why take only Smith when you can have Smith +". But you can't approach the draft with that goal in mind.

Low miles on that Fairmount. Do you have an email where you would like me to send pics? After all, it is worth the 29K if the buyer has 29K to spend.

We don't know what? That Alex Smith is the QB? I guess we don't, technically, but we will a week from today. Officially.

People want to talk about him like he's some over-the-hill retread they can bring in to hold the fort for a year or two. He's not. He's a 29-year old retread that's entering what's generally the prime for QBs. That paired with the purported compensation is not, to me, indicative of a short-term move. I think we're seeing someone being handed the job for the next 5 years, unless he flames out in some epic way.

And don't mistake that as me saying that it's a good move in any way or that he's a good quarterback. I think he's basically a ball and chain that's going to hold us down for the next 5 years, just like Cassel was. Then we get to start all over yet again, as Hali and Bowe and DJ and Albert and Charles all start to head off into the sunset.

But, yeah, we don't know for sure. I think it's a safe assumption to make, though. And we'll know more starting next week, as they start to make other moves.

There are so many holes in your argument it'll take too much time to dissect, and lord knows we've been killing that argument for months now.

This isn't about Geno Smith the player, but your entire philosophy in general, which is ****ing terrible.

yes, some people here are in some serious denial, accept it and move on geez

Understandably you're at a loss for how to argue your position.

I wouldn't say my "entire philosophy" since we don't even know each other.

However, I respect your viewpoint that you believe a risk is worth the cost of the pick. I just heartily disagree with you that his value is not that highly perceived 5 other NFL teams picking after us and that we can always get more for a lesser pick.

If you believe ANY team before the Cardinals will pick Smith, then you are right. If not, you are wrong, it is that simple.

We don't know who the Chiefs are going to take. That was expressed several times in my post, because at this point, it really can be any one.

The compensation for Alex Smith doesn't dictate that he's a long term solution. Whether or not he gets an extension will dictate that.

If Alex doesn't get an extension, then that is very telling of what they think of him and what their long term goals may be.

You assume that the Chiefs would actually HAVE a trade down partner. You also assume that if the Chiefs can in fact trade down, that the team trading UP wouldn't be for a QB.

When was the last time a team traded into the #1 Overall slot for anything other than a QB?

The Browns and Eagles are dying for a young strong offensive line. Both would entertain thoughts of trading up for Joeckel, still leaving us Smith and some compensatory picks later in the draft.

Does that solidify the argument?

We both base upon assumptions, yours that Smith will be an offensive saviour. At least my premise is possible without risk, especially since I believe that discussing trades with Cleveland and Philly wouldn't hurt either team.

Ask Philly after suffering Peters, Bell, and Dunlap - especially after spending a chunk on an aging QB that used to be able to scramble, but definitely needs protection in his waning years.

My assumption is that if Kansas City intended to use 1:1 on a quarterback, they would not be trading the 34th pick (and additional compensation) for another quarterback. They'd find a cheaper (or free) veteran if all they were looking for was a short-term mentor.

I think the moves yesterday are good in that they make the team appear more flexible, which is beneficial in an effort to trade down (which I don't think will happen), but I don't believe a QB is in any way more likely than it was 24 hours ago.

Which stings, speaking as someone who's a big geno fan. I just don't see any realistic scenario where they go that route.

LMAO

The Browns are going to trade up for Joeckel........while paying their current LT $84 million over 7 years?

Now that I think about it, Detroit definitely needs O Line help as well.

No they wouldn't when they can sit right where they are and have Fisher, Joeckel or Johnson fall right into their laps.

Explain to me why anyone is trading up to #1 to get that LT?

The Chiefs aren't taking a LT.
The Jaguars aren't taking a LT.
The Raiders aren't taking a LT.

Both the Browns and Eagles already have High Profile LT's in place. You think they're going to trade UP for a back up?

Well that shoots a hole in my argument, those other teams wouldn't want Joeckel either. Why is he even listed as the top pick in every single mock I have seen?