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Sorter 03-09-2013 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9479100)
You know, I agreed with this sentiment in 2009. But four years later, I wonder about his competitive spirit and competence.

I'm not stating that he's a failure or will fail without Ozzie but at some point, you have to question a guy that's content with being #2.

I don't wonder about his competitiveness or competence. I'll have to judge his competence fully after he's promoted after Ozzie but based on what I've read and the interviews I've seen, he seems competent.

el borracho 03-09-2013 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9479114)
Looking at that ugly dude in your avatar is my biggest complaint.

Jesus. What a mug.

Ah, Dane... sweet as ever.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-09-2013 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9479113)
Whats a yeat?

Author of the most influential and oft-cited poem of the 20th century.

MoreLemonPledge 03-09-2013 01:36 AM

Mark Sanchez. Jimmy Clausen.

Cephalic Trauma 03-09-2013 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9479110)
Elite QB to win? No.

Alex Smith "elite"? No.

Now, take a rectal thermometer and go **** yourself.

I don't know how you can answer the first question with a "no" considering the current climate of the league.

Agree on Smith.

I proved my point.

(Nice straw man with the "we haven't traded for... elite QB1, elite QB2, etc., etc. Keep trying to understand the opposing view, big guy. You'll get it.)

Cephalic Trauma 03-09-2013 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9479115)
Waiting for you to answer my question regarding if the chiefs have done everything possible TO THIS POINT to improve the team.

If not, what should they do?

Agree with the post above about squandering resources for A. Smith. Build through the draft.

tooge 03-09-2013 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9479126)
I don't know how you can answer the first question seriously considering the current climate of the league.

Agree on Smith.

I proved my point.

(Nice straw man with the "we haven't traded for... elite QB1, elite QB2, etc., etc. Keep trying to understand the opposing view, big guy. You'll get it.)

Still waiting for your answaer

tooge 03-09-2013 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9479127)
Agree with the post above about squandering resources for A. Smith. Build through the draft.

That's a lame answer. Yes or no? Did the chiefs do everything possible TO THIS POINT to better the team? It's a simple yes or no. If no, what would you have done?

KurtCobain 03-09-2013 01:43 AM

I think there's a difference between an elite qb in this league, and elite QB play in crunch time in the playoffs when it matters. While there may only be a handful of elite guys at the position, there's more than a handful of guys that have the ability to turn it on when it matters.

that's the difference between Alex and Cassel.

DaneMcCloud 03-09-2013 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9479115)
Waiting for you to answer my question regarding if the chiefs have done everything possible TO THIS POINT to improve the team.

If not, what should they do?

Joking.

They're doing everything possible, which is a far cry from what we saw from 2009-2012.

I'm stoked.

DaneMcCloud 03-09-2013 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 9479121)
Ah, Dane... sweet as ever.

You know it, Baby

DaneMcCloud 03-09-2013 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9479119)
I don't wonder about his competitiveness or competence. I'll have to judge his competence fully after he's promoted after Ozzie but based on what I've read and the interviews I've seen, he seems competent.

Yeah, but Pioli appeared competent as well.

Look, I'm not saying the guy will be Pioli but at what point do you say, "What the ****, Dude?".

KurtCobain 03-09-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9479137)
Yeah, but Pioli appeared competent as well.

Look, I'm not saying the guy will be Pioli but at what point do you say, "What the ****, Dude?".

at the point of a second round haul of mcluster and arenas.

DaneMcCloud 03-09-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9479126)
I don't know how you can answer the first question with a "no" considering the current climate of the league.

Agree on Smith.

I proved my point.

What was your point? That you're a overconfident jackass with gigantic student loans? Or just the jackass part?

Cephalic Trauma 03-09-2013 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9479129)
That's a lame answer. Yes or no? Did the chiefs do everything possible TO THIS POINT to better the team? It's a simple yes or no. If no, what would you have done?

No. they squandered resources for A. Smith. That's my answer. I would have refrained from doing that, drafted a QB at 1.1, and gone with BPA at 2.2. Like I've said over and over, I would build through the draft. That's my primary point.

Dunta is meh. He's a depth signing.

At this point, if I were them, I would be happy with the deal I hadn't made (A. Smith) up to this point. I would still have 2.2 (almost a first), and money to spend for complimentary pieces, not core guys.

tooge 03-09-2013 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9479127)
Agree with the post above about squandering resources for A. Smith. Build through the draft.

Cephalon trauma, I'd suggest you go into Peds.

DaneMcCloud 03-09-2013 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9479142)
No. they squandered resources for A. Smith. That's my answer. I would have refrained from doing that, drafted a QB at 1.1, and gone with BPA at 2.2. Like I've said over and over, I would build through the draft. That's my primary point.

Cool. Let us know if anyone gives a **** what you would have done to further drive fans away and send this franchise into the depths of hell.

Cephalic Trauma 03-09-2013 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9479140)
What was your point? That you're a overconfident jackass with gigantic student loans? Or just the jackass part?

Oh, fantastic. A guy who judges my character based solely on my opinion about a football team.

I think that says more about you than it does me.

Cephalic Trauma 03-09-2013 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9479145)
Cool. Let us know if anyone gives a **** what you would have done to further drive fans away and send this franchise into the depths of hell.

I answered a question posed by another poster.

DaneMcCloud 03-09-2013 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9479146)
Oh, fantastic. A guy who judges my character based solely on my opinion about a football team.

I think that says more about you than it does me.

ROFL

:LOL:

It never ceases to amaze me.

Cephalic Trauma 03-09-2013 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9479144)
Cephalon trauma, I'd suggest you go into Peds.

Stick to football. Just because I disagree with you about the decisions of the Chiefs FO doesn't mean I think any less of you in your profession. Frankly, you could be the best or worst dentist in missouri, and I wouldn't know.

PA Chiefs 03-09-2013 05:45 AM

I am happy with what they have done as well, but my homerism has me doing this year after year since the late 80's and early 90's. Last year I really soured only watched a few full games tried to watch all them but couldn't stand it. I would have really have been pissed if they kept *****. Clark did the right thing and took out the trash. So I guess I am a true fan cause year after year I rationalize everything my team does whether I agree with it or not. Except for the last few ***** did suck. Year 1-2 I was ok but after that he lost me. So anyway solid moves A.Smith is the best QB we have had since Green or Montana but we better draft QB this year and then they got me hook line and sinker.

EagleRob 03-09-2013 06:17 AM

In 1999 there's one quote I remember that rang true and it applies to you all right now: Enjoy the ride up!

BlackHelicopters 03-09-2013 07:29 AM

This is Our Time. Oh wait.............

Spott 03-09-2013 07:38 AM

With Alex Smith at QB, they'll continue to be irrelevant

milkman 03-09-2013 08:07 AM

First, this team has not been relevant since Christmas day, 1971.

But to the main point, I am happy that this new regime made the decisions it did with regards to our own potential free agents, and hope they do get a deal donebwithb Albert.

Dunta Robinson doesn't excite me, but I also have no problem with bringing him and seeing what he can do in a different scheme.

The move for Alex Smith, though, to me is demoralizing.

He's an improvement to Matt Cassel in the same way that makeup an a nice dress is an improvement over curlers and bath robe for Roseanne.

We've just put makeup and a dress on a pig.

Window Licking Whiner 03-09-2013 08:45 AM

Yeah I got to say that I'm pretty happy with how active we are being as a franchise. I might not agree with every move they are making, I do like the fact that they are making moves.

I'd rather have a team try and fail then not try at all

Easy 6 03-09-2013 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9478965)
Yes excited. Even with Alex smith they won't go all crony like ***** and cassel. They'll constantly look for the next guy

Agreed, while Axl Smiff isnt sexy in any way whatsoever, he's steady and a clear upgrade over what we had.

As long as they dont stand pat and keep looking for the Golden Child, i'll keep faith with this new regime... so far, they're definitely not sitting around with their thumbs up each others ass, i think its a good omen.

Rasputin 03-09-2013 09:52 AM

With the first pick of the 2013 draft Chiefs pick RT Luke Joekel.













:doh!:

Pasta Little Brioni 03-09-2013 09:58 AM

That's a kick in the balls Tattoo, but that's where we are headed. Trying to be positive, but unless Reid unlocks something in Alex Smith, we are still facked.

Chiefshrink 03-09-2013 10:04 AM

Smith is just a respectable 'stop gap' for the moment that I can live with for now.

But 'tooge' pretty much nailed it !!!!:thumb:

Rasputin 03-09-2013 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9479398)
That's a kick in the balls Tattoo, but that's where we are headed. Trying to be positive, but unless Reid unlocks something in Alex Smith, we are still facked.

The only thing I can get excited for is next years draft and hopes that we get our QBotf then when Alex Smith proves this year he isn't worth what we traded him for. I'm going root for wins and an improvement on both sides of the ball if Alex Smith is the problem still then we all should expect a new QB.

I don't even expect Alex Smith to stay healthy all season.


>< this much chance we still draft Geno Smith I can only wish. Then I would be full blown Homer & haters can hate. That's all it would take for me to be a happy fan that would accept a bright future.

Rasputin 03-09-2013 10:17 AM

I guess let the vet QB take a pounding while the OL gells this year. Next year we can snag our QBotf with our first pick trade up if we have too. I figure we will be in the top 10 of the draft next year. I do believe we can win some games with Alex Smith if we get the production we are use to out of Jamaal Charles. Jamaal Charles again is going be key for this offense to function like an NFL team.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-09-2013 10:54 AM

Draft Geno and if he isn't ready, let Alex run, run, pass, punt our way to 8-8. We could do much worse than throwing resources at the QB position. *Cough Dorsey, T-Jack, Baldwin, McCluster Cough*

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-09-2013 11:14 AM

One big thing that's so positive is they are willing to spend money now. Bowe is the 3rd highest paid reciever in the league. Colquitt is the highest paid punter and Albert with his franchise tag will get top 5 money. THAT my friends is a huge turnaround from the Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli eras. The future is bright now and players are going to want to come to KC.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-09-2013 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9479272)
First, this team has not been relevant since Christmas day, 1971.

But to the main point, I am happy that this new regime made the decisions it did with regards to our own potential free agents, and hope they do get a deal donebwithb Albert.

Dunta Robinson doesn't excite me, but I also have no problem with bringing him and seeing what he can do in a different scheme.

The move for Alex Smith, though, to me is demoralizing.

He's an improvement to Matt Cassel in the same way that makeup an a nice dress is an improvement over curlers and bath robe for Roseanne.

We've just put makeup and a dress on a pig.


Which is so overrated !

Chris Meck 03-09-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9479272)

The move for Alex Smith, though, to me is demoralizing.

He's an improvement to Matt Cassel in the same way that makeup an a nice dress is an improvement over curlers and bath robe for Roseanne.

We've just put makeup and a dress on a pig.

I'm not a huge fan of the Alex Smith trade, but I don't think this is accurate. Cassel/Quinn was the most incompetent display of NFL Quarterbacking that I'd ever seen. At LEAST since like...Babe Laufenberg. Go look that shit up. (shudders)
Alex is not elite, of that there is no doubt. He was, however, the best QB on the market without question, and is competent. Just having competent QB play would've had this team at 8-8 even last year, I think. With some better schemes, coaching, and player upgrades I see no reason why we should not be competitive immediately.

Frosty 03-09-2013 12:05 PM

I disliked the Alex Smith trade but have decided to suspend the freaking out until after the draft. For one thing, we don't know what the compensation is going to be for Smith. If it is less than reported and AS is being brought in as a vet/mentor to one of the top development QBs, I'm good with that. We also have all of FA to go through.

I'll resume the freaking out if they go into the season with AS, Stanzi (or, god forbid, Cassel) and a 7th rounder at QB.

Rausch 03-09-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9479272)
First, this team has not been relevant since Christmas day, 1971.

In 93 we were one injury away from a SB.

You may argue against it but that was the same team we'd mashed 23-3 earlier in the season.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9479272)
We've just put makeup and a dress on a pig.

We've taken one week and improved 3 positions immediately.

I hope (I don't BELIEVE - I HOPE) this is a solid start and not the end game for this FO...

crossbow 03-09-2013 12:17 PM

Frisco and Baltimore were both in the Superbowl this year. From which team did they trade draft picks to get a QB?

Talk to me when the Chiefs finaly figure it out.

Spott 03-09-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9479707)
In 93 we were one injury away from a SB.

You may argue against it but that was the same team we'd mashed 23-3 earlier in the season.



We've taken one week and improved 3 positions immediately.

I hope (I don't BELIEVE - I HOPE) this is a solid start and not the end game for this FO...

We were down by 14 points in the second half of that game when Montana got hurt and the defense wasn't playing worth a crap. We weren't winning that game with or without Joe.

milkman 03-09-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 9479748)
We were down by 14 points in the second half of that game when Montana got hurt and the defense wasn't playing worth a crap. We weren't winning that game with or without Joe.

The other thing here to consider, and this is one thing I really like about Marv Levy.
He didn't go into prevent mode unless the game was well in hand.

If his Bills were up by 14 with only half the 4th qtr remining, he continued to attack, both on offense and defense.
And the fact is, all the great QBs that have earned a reputation as masters of comebacks did so against teams that played to protect leads, including Montana and Elway.

I'd bet that 30 to 35% of Elway's comebacks came against Marty.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9479085)
Alex Smith doesn't need to be an elite QB for this trade to be beneficial.

For example, if KC took Geno/Barkley at 1.1 and Smith didn't play at an elite level but served as an effective mentor and helped them progress faster/better, would you still think the trade wasn't a good one?

ONLY under those conditions is this trade NOT an abortion.
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