Onee of the Harbaughs couldnt bench him fast enough! lol thanks for bringing that up! Proves the point.

Hired a well respected head coach with years of NFL head coaching experience including several playoff appearances. Brought in a starting QB from a team unrelated to anyone in the regime. Resigned some of the better players on the team instead of trading them away. Pursued free agents aggressively.

Is this the same head coach who had a team that called itself a "Dynasty" and whn it blew up in his face got fired. This the same guy?

I absolutely hate Alex Smith and I desperately needed hope at the Qb position.Ill wait after the draft to see if the chiefs pull something brilliant or if I can root for another team. Ive had more than enough of this mediocrity.

You have every right to grip if they do that. It would make little sense. They absolutely should wait a full year before worrying about Smiths contract.

The same HC whose only success came in the years he started a QB - wait for it - he drafted with the 2nd overall pick?

make no mistake--I'm pissed like a TON of other chiefs fans. it's not just fun tailgating at this point, I've poured my heart and soul into this team for the majority of my life. I just turned 30 years old--I've seen three playoff wins, one for every decade of my life (and the last one, sadly, was barely after I had turned ten years old). I've watched us try to fit the square peg into the round hole for over 25 years. it's just getting depressing now--they really don't know how dangerously close they are to losing a whole freaking generation to this team---and how many of us that should have DECADES rooting for this team will just give up and slink away (and stop rooting for them). they're at the edge of a precipice, and they freaking gave themselves a nice shove by trading for alex smith--and if they're not right, man... I can't even imagine.

bazinga!!

I don't know anything about what they called themselves. He's the guy that's about as unlike Todd Haley as you can get though and detoxing was looking for differences.

A QB he identified as the best option among many, just like he did with Alex Smith apparently.

Yep. Guess there was no McNabb is this draft.

Take all the others with you, please.

Well, now you do!!!!

And kill all others like you please. You're the reason why we suck every season.

STFU

Yeah, maybe we should sit here with our thumbs up our asses and completely ignore the first 7 years of Alex Smith's career. Maybe we shouldn't, you know, think for ourselves and evaluate the situation ourselves. It's much easier to just be told this is gonna work and go with it, amirite?

"But, Detoxing...this is a new coaching staff, a fresh start for Alex Smith! It could work out for the better!"

Uh huh. That's exactly what niner fans had been saying since the kid was drafted. New staff comes, new staff goes, new staff comes, new staff goes. The only constant.....Alex "regime Killer" Smith.

"But, but Detoxing, didn't you see the way he played for the first half of last season before he was BENCHED??"

:rolleyes:

I don't know what to tell you people other than...in the words of Htismaque....."Bhaaaaa"

That's to be determined.

If Geno Smith or Matt Barkley are top 15 QBs in the next 3 years......this trade was a huge failure. Especially if Alex Smith grades out as......Alex ****ing Smith.

Very important information. Thanks for sharing.

This franchise hates its fans; sadly, few know they are despised.

We was leading the league in QBs last year before his injury and led the team to 6-2. The reason he didn't come back is because Kaepernick got a chance and was extremely good. Like unbelieveable.

ITs very important, they had all the talent in the world and should have been winning instead, they sucked really bad and he got fired.

The whole allure of the Andy Reid signing has been nullified.

We were excited about him being the HC because he had a history of developing quarterbacks and had a lot of success with McNabb and a similar player to McNabb is available at our pick.

He is a bad game day coach
Poor play caller
Poor cap manager
Poor clock manager

His ability to develop a franchise QB in KC is the only thing that made him attractive.

Now, we have Alex Smith.

At this point, **** Andy Reid.

Pioli Resigned some of our better players too.

Pioli was aggressive with 2nd/3rd Tier F/A's too.

Pioli Brought in a respected Coach with SB/Playoff experience too.

The similarities far outweigh the differences.

Of course we should ignore his first 7 years in the league.

While we're at it, we should ignore that the Niners tried to replace him with Peyton Manning, when that didn't happen, they drafted his replacement, and within a season and a half, had lost his job to a 2nd year player.

They've been dying to get rid of the guy for years.

Most here aren't going to give Smith a chance. When he does something well, credit will be given elsewhere, and any mistake will be talked about endlessly. If Smith sucks, he'll suck and we'll know this season. I could be wrong, but I don't think we'll get the Cassel treatment. Smith won't get four, or even three years to prove himself. I think if he's mediocre or worse, Reid and Dorsey will at least start window shopping for QBs after this season.

Yeah, the Chiefs never sucked in their history before 2009.

:facepalm:

What a bunch of ****ing crybabies.

Top 15? In a 32 team league? Setting the bar super high aren't you?

Yeah for a guy who played a whole one game. Lol yeah ok

Anyways I'm out lakers game about to start.

The biggest crime of SP was refusing to provide legit competition for Cassel, and drafting horribly. We'll have to wait awhile to call Dorsey SP II.

Did you follow the 9ers at all last season? Because there was a lot of talk about how their offense wasn't explosive enough....Hence the move to start Kaepernick.

It's not like Kaepernick set the world on fire in his first game.....CLEARLY....Clear as a San Diego Day (it's beautiful out here today) the 9ers were looking to dump the guy.

And at their first opportunity....they did.

But yeah, you're right....i should have a ton of faith in the guy.

Obviously he has EARNED that respect right? I should be able to look at his production and see that he's earned that respect, right?

Exactly. What ticks me off is most here act like they know Geno IS the savior when we don't know that. For all we know he could be another JaMarcus Russell.

I'll agree if they turn into stud QBs with little time. This trade was a mistake.

Led the team to 6-2?

Holy Christ, how dreadfully incorrect.

In 4 of those 8 games, the defense gave up a COMBINED 12 points.

In the 2 losses, the offense mustered a COMBINED 16 points. Against the 16th and 31st ranked defenses in the league.

Average yards passing in those eight games?

200.4 yards.

Average yards rushing in those eight games?

168.6 yards


Alex Smith didn't "lead" shit.

His running game and defense did.

@DannyParkins: When I asked Alex Smith about a contract extension he said he has an agent for that but "in a way I feel like I need to earn that." #Chiefs

FWIW

Why, so they can pick up Matt Flynn? Matt Moore?

The decision to trade for Alex Smith has set the franchise back at least 5 years. 7-8 more considering the team will need to replace every player worth a damn already on the roster.

But it would be fun to at least find out. It would at least be an attempt at trying for something special.

Summary of press conference

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Who?

No. Pioli was bargain shopping in 2009. He wasn't aggressive and he wasn't accused of overspending on solid FAs. There's almost no similarity.

You're conveniently ignoring the "head" part of head coach. The difference in experience between Todd Haley and Andy Reid is greater than the difference in experience between Alex Smith and Matt Cassel.

You know what a rookie franchise QB provides?

Hope.

Sure, he may turn out to be another JaMarcus Russell.

Sadly, we already know that Alex Smith is.

Nah, im not going to label Dorsey SPII. But that wasn't how this debate came about. I was told that i should at least wait for them to fail before losing my faith.

I'm merely pointing out that they haven't done anything (ok...they signed Bowe, I'll give them that) to give me any faith to begin with.

Alex Smith is suppose to give me hope for next season?

LMAO.

Who? Uhm....Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson & Tamba Hali?

Yeah, Pioli bargained shopped.....that's what Dorsey is doing now....Picking up 2nd tier F/A. Don't get me wrong, i don't mind the signings that he has made....but make no mistake....these are 2nd/3rd tier Quality guys.

Yeah, i conveniently left out some details....but so did you....so what.

Watch out. It's OK to compare Mike DeVito to a washed up Kelly Gregg even though they play different positions, but it's not OK to compare Geno Smith to any failed black QB, no matter how many non-racial similarities there are. It's safer to stick with comparisons to Tim Couch, David Carr, and Ryan Leaf.

Who?

Derrick Johnson, Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali and Jamaal Charles.

This.

Dude....that's above average after 2-3 years in the league.

BINGO

This is fairly simple. Reid and Dorsey see something in Alex Smith that a lot of people here do not. We'll see who's right this year.

No team is ever set back 5 or more years unless they draft poorly over and over. The NFl is built to never be bad for long unless you almost try to be bad.

This. Or he could end up being benched 4 times in his career like Alex Smith for subpar QBs like Trent Dilfer, JT Osullivan, and Sean Hill.

Good thing we traded for Ale...


****!

wth are you even talking about.

No one here KNOWS Geno Smith, or even acts like they KNOW Geno Smith is going to be a stud. If that's what you think, then the point has completely sailed over your head.

Whooooosh! Look up, because the point is somewhere way up there.

Interesting.

I totally agree.

LMAO

The way that everyone was trying to get rid of Rich Gannon? Give the guy a chance

Nope. Not in 2009.

There's a difference between big name guys and top tier guys. No matter what tier these guys are coming from, they aren't bargains. You don't find bargains on day 1 of free agency. That's why Pioli didn't aggressively pursue free agents on day 1. He waited until he could pick over the crumbs later in the process. That's the difference I pointed out. A pretty big difference, IMO.

No, I didn't leave out any detail. You asked for differences and I gave them to you. In your effort to refute so you can maintain your self-delusion about how similar the two regimes have been, you disingenuously ignored the actual difference I pointed out.

Said every Coach who came to SF during Smith's tenure.

Regime Killer. We're replacing one with another.

Exactly.

Geno + Andy Reid = 50% chance at franchise QB for 15 years.

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Ried proved that he can coach up QBs. This, and Alexs play when coached properly make this move interesting. Simple.

I wanted Geno as the next guy but he's as uncertain at this point as Alex.

We gave up too much for him. That sucks.
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**** you go root for the colts.

In another thread, people were accusing someone of racism because he compared Geno Smith to Akili Smith. Since DTLB58 used a DaMarcus Russell comparison, I decided to warn him before the racism accusations started up again. Apparently it went over *your* head.

No, Reid showed that he could be successful with the 2nd overall pick.

Do a search of my posts. There's one that shows how piss-poor the QB play has been under Reid when you take McNabb out of the equation.

That's bullshit.

Let me guess - you said the exact same thing when people here bashed the trade for Cassel? "You should get a job in the NFL if you think you know more than the Executive of the Year"

Well, we've seen this movie before and know how it ends. Some of us wanted a glimmer of hope at QB but instead we get ASs.

Nope. We're talking about differences between the way this regime is starting out and the way Pioli started out in 2009. None of those guys were re-signed in that first year.

I am mad like most of you. But I am watching to see how this right now looking train wreck is going.

Yeah, you did leave out details. No need to play this game, so save it for someone else.

"Hey, at least it he traded for a QB from ANOTHER team. I mean, he still traded a high 2nd round pick for an unproven Back up QB Castoff....BUT IT'S FROM ANOTHER TEAM! SO DIFFERENT"

And no shit he didn't resign them in 2009. FFS, their contracts weren't up. Very, very weak arguments you have here.

Yeah, it was Smith that made Singletary a bad coach.

How do you get regime killer? The past two years with Smith starting in 2011, and I guess you could say they were set for a big fall last year before Smith went down, but it sure seemed like they were rolling.

No.

****ing.

Shit.

I don't think we can say the Chiefs made a mistake by failing to draft an above average QB, unless Alex Smith ends up not being above average, and even then it will be a minor mistake. If Geno Smith turns into a franchise QB, then I think it's a mistake even if Alex Smith rises to the same level just because of the age difference.

Wait! Haven't we seen this before?

Go into the season with a close-minded attitude. Shoe horn "your guy" into the starting position because the ego demands it. Who the hell negociated that Smith deal?

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How do i get Regime Killer?

How many coaches and GM's were fired during his tenure?

This is simple shit. Bad QB's get Coaches fired. Good QB's get coaches paid.

How many OC's did Matt Cassel burn through? How about Alex Smith?

So does A. Smith go into the Hall as a Chief or Niner?
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a****ingmen

We didn't have shit for FAs that first year. Your argument is stupid.

I wonder if 49er fans said the same thing about Steve Young when the 49ers traded a second rounder to Tampa Bay for him after a couple of unimpressive seasons...

I'm not giving him a chance because thinking we will do shit with him at QB is ignorant of history. You win Super Bowls by drafting your own guy and developing him into a franchise QB that can win post season games for you with his arm. That's the only blue print for winning Super Bowls. For the last 30 years the Chiefs have refused to draft and develop their own QBs. All the Chiefs do is trade for QBs other teams are willing to give up, and no team is willing to give up a franchise QB. At best a QB like Alex Smith gets you to the playoffs, where he loses to a team with one of the few elite QBs in the NFL.

We're going no where until we start drafting our own QBs and making them our starters. We have to keep doing this until we find the next Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. Just keep doing it. It may take us a decade to find our guy, but when we do, we're set for a while. The longer we put it off, the farther away we are from winning another Super Bowl.

LMAO

What a ****ing bunch of horseshit.

Hmm.....sound familar.

In the next theater over, the movie where a team drafts a 1st round QB who busts is playing over and over.

Hope is available to you if you want to embrace it.

Geno Smith is 100x MORE uncertain than Alex Smith. And that's exactly why we all wanted him.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Because 2 = 8.....correct?

Alex Smith has been above average for exactly half a season.

See, this is why people telling me to have "hope" is comical.

People want us "crybabies" to ignore 7 years of Alex Smith's career in favor of half a season.....half a season in which he was very mediocre and eventually got benched.

That's insane.