I'm sure this has been said already but just looked him up. Gracious 6'6 340. PBJ Finally we get the big, mauling type of O-linemen that Pioli never seemed to like.

You need to be able to convert third and 1 and goal line situations with the run when Alex Smith is your QB. :D

I'd be more optimistic about that if either Reid or Dorsey had gone to Geno's pro day. Since neither one bothered to go, I have to assume they've already made their decision about him.

I thought they did?

29 teams showed up. The Chiefs were one of them. I don't know if Reid or Dorsey went, but the Chiefs were there.

Well it's a start....

So:
Alex Smith 8.5m
Chase Daniel 3.5m
Geno Smith 4.5m (Andrew Luck was 4.02 last year)

Total = 16.5m

Quarterback 2013 cap hits:
Eli Manning 20.85m
Peyton Manning 20m
Drew Brees 17.4m
Phillip Rivers 17.11m
Tony Romo 16.818m
Carson Palmer 15.335m
Tom Brady 13.8m
Ben Roethlisberger 13.6m

Meh. They'll have a private workout with him. They're not going to learn much from his pro day.

Actually Daniel only costs 750k against the cap this year

The problem is, you trot one QB on the field. The other guys hold the clipboard.

You're suggesting we drain 8m against the cap for a pair of clipboard holders, one of which won't even be activated?

Indubitably

I blocked matt douchebag miller. I cant stand that ****ing idiot

This. In many cases, your scouts and tape and combine and combine interviews give you everything you need to know about your top guys. I doubt Genos stock changed much after his pro day. Teams know enough about him by now that the only way his stock can drop is if he does something really stupid.

I don't see that as a problem. It's about cap allocation. Even with Geno drawing a 4.5m salary we'd be well below several teams total QB cap hit for 2013.

Also, I'd have to look - does Andy Reid typically keep only 2 QBs active? I never understood the Chiefs stupidity of keeping only 2 QBs active each week.

I like Dion Jordan, freakish athlete pass rusher at 6'6"

With Cassels ability to scramble Minnesota has decided the OL isn't that important.

Well, I'm off. Hopefully this is done by the morning.

I was hoping we'd sign this guy last year and then Pioli let him go to the Vikings.

This move is ****ing awesome.

And FTR.....I would have no problem with $19 million tied up in 3 QBs.

Ya it would give the whole draft world a big **** you

Yep ! :thumb:

Jamaal's average will just get that much better:clap: Hell, just imagine if Reid were a run first coach. Jamaal could actually make a run at Dickerson's single season record:thumb:

Albert LG, C, Schwartz, RT

Wonder who the LG, C, RT will be

Fixed your thoughts

Bad Guy did say they that view Allen as the RT. ....so Schwartz could be moving to LG.

Ok Albert Schwartz Hudson Asomoah Allen?

Our line this year:

Joeckel Allen Hudson Asamoah Schwartz

Stephenson swing tackle

Albert traded for a 2nd rounder

Reading up on Schwartz there was this:

"DraftInsider.Net's Tony Pauline "(continues) to hear" the Jets will target OG Geoff Schwartz in free agency.
Schwartz is capable of playing both guard and tackle, but couldn't beat out RG Brandon Fusco for a starting job in Minnesota last season. Schwartz missed all of 2011 with a hip injury, but did start all 16 games for the Panthers at right tackle in 2010. He'd provide cheap, versatile depth for a Jets line that got a bad rap in 2012, but has insisted he has no intention of being a backup. Perhaps he could replace free agent LG Matt Slauson."

I'm sure there were other teams in play and KC offered him a legit opportunity to start, not to be a rotational backup. Love this move!

Has Go to Hell (GoChiefs) made an appearance in this thread to lament about the Alex Smith trade yet?

That's what he does best these days.

Albert is a good LT but he is not an elite LT which your 2nd rounder is a fair assessment. IF this year's draft had no real talent at LT then I would say we could get a 1st rd pick for Albert.

LMAO

Yeah bish.

So, cross RT off the list.

Now we need a LG and a Pass Rusher.

Funny... He doesn't look Druish...

Nice depth move

I would bet good money they are bringing him in to be a OG and not a RT. It is quite apparent the Chiefs view Allen as not a starter this point in his career. Much like Stephenson as the swing tackle, it might not hurt having a quality swing guard in Allen to back-up Schwartz and Asamoah. I know having that many quality OL is a new concept to us but Reid is big on his lineman.

I have to say this constant talk of Geno is still mind boggling... HE ISN'T GOING TO BE DRAFTED BY KC!!! Blast away but it makes no sense in bringing him in now when the organization seems totally committed to Alex Smith. We wouldn't pay the money we did for a back-up like Daniel if we were to still bring in Geno.

The way teams overpay for tackles I want a first

That's the beautiful part. It coud be anybody. Too bad it seems they don't like Smith or Barkley. But hey, maybe they do. Maybe they're being very quiet about their fave player in the draft?

Unless we draft him to trade him. If nobody offers fair compensation to move up to 1 that's absolutely what we should do. I bet teams would be willing then if they knew they weren't going to be able to get him at all.

Or we draft him to sit for a couple of years. Dorsey did it with Rodgers. It's not unheard of to sit a 1st round pick. In fact, maybe they think it's the smarter thing to do?

Just wishing....:thumb:

This would be a pretty nice get. I'd imagine he'll be a reasonable add.

Though I'm with others - I don't think this is a RT pickup, I think he'll play RG (I could see Asomoah moving back to LG at that point). It's only a move to address tackle to the extent that it frees Allen up to possibly make the switch back to RT.

Nice, get all the pieces they need to compete this year and win games then every draft pic will be for depth and for players to take over as the team ages. The head shed is doing a great job and Old Clark has opened up the piggy bank for Dorsey to do great things.

Well yeah, that would be my preference as well...but my gut says that isnt going to happen. :(

Not saying we're drafting Geno, but why would a backup QB on what's essentially a 1-year deal prevent them from drafting a QB #1 overall?

This.

I think they'll end up signing Alex to an extension (sound familiar?).

I know, I know. Nails on the chalkboard but I just don't see why you would give up everything you did at QB to then take a guy #1 overall who should start from day 1.

1.1s don't do that.

It may happen my friend.

I would much rather have Vollmer at LT than Albert at this point. Vollmer is better and far more durable.

You definitely could get a 1st from DaKCManAP.

Is there an unwritten rule why QBs have to start from day 1? That shit only started happening because a team invested $70 million in a guy. You dont have to now.....especially when you have a capable veteran who can start instead.

It's not that different from the Skins taking RG3 @ #2 and then Cousins in rd 4.

Smith @ 1.1 and Smith in rd 2, the difference of course being ASmith starting while Cousins was a b/u.

The Redskins also had Rex Grossman (9yr vet at the time) on the roster, probably one of the better backups in the league.

I bet Dorsey and Albert are waiting to see what Jake Long gets. If Long gets less than or equal to what Brown got.....I bet Albert signs before the draft.

A little bit.

It does seem to be a rule now that a starting QB in this league can expect $15 million/yr in his second contract if he's worth a shit. Well if you're looking to maximize your return, you want to get as much value out of that rookie contract as possible before you start paying for past performance in the 2nd deal.

I agree, it's easier to sit a QB than it's ever been, but it's still not terribly cost effective.

If you're Reid and you like Alex Smith, you'd be smarter to hold this pick for ransom than to take Geno Smith. At this point, while you may not get an RGIII haul, you'll probably be able to get close to it (probably one lest first rounder than the Rams got).

That has the potential to be far FAR more valuable to this franchise than Geno Smith. But you'd better be right about both Smith's at that point.

It becomes a scouting question.

I hear ya. And I hope you're right.

I just think we're grasping at straws a little here. I'd put the chances of them taking Geno and him being apart of their plans to be the QB at about 5%.

:(

PBJ

I don't disagree that it's unlikely. I just disagree with those saying it can't happen, doesn't make sense, or that it's unprecedented.

See the Tennesee Titans.

Draft Jake Locker in first round, accquire Matt Hasselback to start, let rookie ride pine for a year.

While the jury is still out on Locker (multiple reasons for that) the situation that Pestilence calls out is a viable one.

Right but we're talking about the number 1 overall pick here in relation to us.

Yes. However, to me the value is equal to drafting OT @ #1. We have Albert at LT. We have a guy who can potentially play RT (Stephenson/Allen). You can also sign a RT in FA or draft one outside of rd 1.

If you're looking at immediate value the pick, IMO, has to be DL. Like it or not.

So....

He's not needed to be the immediate savior of this team. Draft him and sit him for a year.

I'd be dancing for joy. Believe me. I just don't think it's realistic compared to how we've seen NFL teams operate with #1 overall picks.

We could trade back and still get Barkely if they like him over Geno

Definitely one of the better backup to the backup QB's in the league.

Did any of us really think that Dorsey and Reid were going to fill this many holes in FA?

No

You're preaching to the choir there.

If they trade back, they have to take Floyd, Richardson or Mingo, IMO. I know some folks like Ansah as well.

There's little question in my mind that D-Line is where we should go with the pick and where there's the greatest potential impact on the team. They're a great D-Lineman away from being a truly dangerous defense.

...a position that usually takes 3 years for the player to develop.

Unless the rules have changed in the past year or two, keeping only 2 QBs active effectively gives you an extra active roster spot because the 3rd QB can still be an emergency QB (once he goes in the game the first 2 QBs can't return though, iirc).

And KC has a history of picking busts and bums with DL 1st round picks.

Not sure I agree. There are guys at every position who come in and make an impact immediately and there are guys at every position who require time to develop.

Right - it just seems risky to me when there are so many QB injuries every week. Even moreso when you consider our stable of QBs (Cassel, Quinn) were especially frail. Alex Smith isn't an ironman, either.

I can't believe people think we are going to draft a QB still. So basically we're gonna draft a QB 1st overall to be the 3rd string QB this year? ROFL

I think it's a long shot that they'd take Geno Smith, but I don't really see the contracts of ASmith and CDaniel as significant obstacles. The biggest obstacle (besides the possibility that they just don't believe in GS) is that it would instantly create a QB controversy. Maybe Andy Reid can manage that, but it would be a challenge.

This version of KC (Reid/Dorsey) doesn't really have a history, at least not together.

I agree, except that it'd only be a controversy if 1) Reid & co. allow it and 2) if Smith plays like trash. If Reid & co. name Smith the starter from day 1 then there's no controversy until #2 happens.

Understood, but the 1st round DL busts and bums spans more than the last regime.

You have to go back to Neil Smith to find a DL that KC drafted in the 1st that was worth a crap.

With these moves I think it paves the way for Shariff Floyd or Jarvis Jones to be our pick.

Geoff Schwartz can also play guard if need be. He is a very good player. Problem was his hip that is fixed via surgery now. When healthy, he is Pro Bowl - caliber - by talent - not popular vote. Seriously, he is a good player. This guy could be the best value FA the Chiefs sign. I hope they get this guy.

I think these moves show they really do believe in BPA. They are trying to plug every gaping hole in the team before the draft, so they can stay true to their BPA philoshophy.

We are so used to holes in the team that last for years that none of us really believed in the BPA I think.

At this point....whomever we draft at #1 is going to be a backup player. And I totally don't see Reid and Dorsey drafting a RT at 1.1.

With the Geno-mania that I've witness around here along with the aura that a 1.1 QB naturally carries, I don't think we can count on a proclamation from Andy Reid quieting the calls for Geno from the start. But even if we can, Alex Smith would have to be outstanding right out of the gate to keep the controversy from raging. It's not enough for him to not play like trash, IMO. With a team bringing in a ton of new players and the first year of a new system, I think that's expecting a lot.

That said, if Andy Reid believes that Geno Smith can be this teams franchise QB in a year or two, he should definitely take him. I just don't think it's going to happen.

You don't think that's going to happen if we don't draft a QB and you have Chase Daniel sitting back there.

If Alex Smith plays average to below average in the first 8 games and we're sitting at 3-5 or 2-6.....you're going to hear people start calling for Chase to start.

Yeah, but none of that matters. The people who evaluated all those drafts are long gone. We don't have to go back nearly that far to find quality DL taken in the first round by Green Bay and Philadelphia. In general, DL seems to have a big bust factor, but doing without a DL isn't really an option either.

And if we go DL at 1.1......he won't even start right away.

Every position has a big bust factor.