and Alex Smith, the guy they just gave up a 2nd round pick aka a potential young player to build around, is older than ALL the core talent players on this team except DJ

so as long as 30 year old Alex Smith is here, all the aging core players will be.

When they don't want to trade the player.

He's also a QB.

He's not a speed rusher or CB. He's not a HB that's been run into the dirt the past two years.

30+ is not kind to WR's, CB's, and HB's...

They still listen...

Uggh....what?

I bet you if John Elway got a call from a team who wanted to make an offer on Peyton Manning.....he'd listen to it. He might laugh after they tell him what they're offering....but he'd listen to it.

If that were true, Nick Foles would be a Chief instead of Chase Daniels.

Would be amazing if we could trade Albert for Miami's 1st round pick.

They are in full win now mode and Jeff Ireland knows his job is on the line this year.

They don't have time to develop rookies and they have 2 second rd picks. It makes sense.

Listen doesn't mean you do it.

You listen.

no a 30 year old QB is worse because at 30 he is what he is with no ability to reach any potential and is set and capped at his ceiling.

Brandon Flowers can play well into his 30s. Alex Smith will be throwing for 170 yards in his 30s. Big difference

I'm not arguing value here. Smith is a pos. Did not want. I don't think there is any chance this works out.

This does not change human biology. HB's do not last long in the NFL. Flowers does not have top end speed to begin with.

Teams start to part ways with players 30+. QB is the one position you can play old and be effective.

That's not true. Rich Gannon started putting huge numbers up at age 34.

Same thing for Trent Green at age 32.

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1. Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule. See Tom Brady.

Because of opportunity.

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

I could see a scenario in which the Chiefs trade Albert to Philly for their 2nd and 5th round picks, trade their #8 overall to Buffalo and take either Lane Johnson (giving the Chiefs bookend OU tackles) or Fisher, leaving them with at least a #1 next year and two #2's this year.

Since the Chiefs obviously aren't in love with anyone at 1.1, they'll use the #1 overall pick and Albert to load up on future and second round picks. It seems like a great strategy, if it works, to me.

I would love that, but I have a hard time believing it could come true.

there have been more CBs, Safeties, LBers playing at a high level into their 30s than QBs since the dawn of the NFL and man invented fire and the wheel in a ****ing cave with dinosaurs

If Dorsey is smart, he'll take anything he can get for 1.1 and Albert. Just by moving down to #8 and trading Albert, he'll likely open up $8-10 million in salary cap space, meaning he can sign more players that can have an immediate impact in 2013, which appears to be their goal.

It's just crazy that the Chiefs moved up to draft Albert and that he only gave up 1 sack all year and that we are gonna trade him and replace him with the first pick in the draft.

I mean seriously...what's the difference between that and drafting a bust QB at one?

Everything would be fine right now if it wasn't for the Alex trade. Alex trade has now made Albert movable.

Haha

You're on a roll lately.

So, we traded what amounts to a mid to late first for a 29 year old game manager that is known for taking too many sacks even with an elite offensive line and you think a good way to build around him is to leave him without a left tackle?

I like it...that might just give us a pick high enough to have a second chance at drafting a QB at the top of te draft.

That doesn't invalidate Rausch's point.

seriously...what's the difference between that and drafting a bust QB at one?

Why not take the chance? It's like they are bending over backwards to NOT draft a quarterback.

If Dorsey is smart, he should play his best hand of Texas Hold 'em poker ever. Maybe can force a team to go "all in" instead of just grabbing a pot of no significant size. Especially with the Jags throwing in a "raise".

It has absolutely nothing to do me, it has to do with Dorsey and Reid's philosophy and the moves they've made this offseason.

I disagree. Take whatever you can get, whether it's a first in 2014 or a first and a second or whatever. They clearly don't want to be there and have let that fact be known since his first PC.

That is indeed the case, so questioning it every single days does nothing to further the current conversation.

If they trade Albert, they aren't gonna trade down unless they still stay in the top five.

I hate that.

We have the picks and opportunity to do a proper rebuild and we look like we're playing "win now."

Look at what the Lambs did by trading down, going BPA, and immediately turning themselves into a competitive team. That team went 8-8 and took the NFC Champs to overtime twice.

Win now does not have to = FA. Drafting good players makes a good team and trading down this year (if we can) would give us picks now and in the future...

We don't have to take our LT at no 1. We can trade down.

There are 3 top 15 LT prospects this year...

Because they are in win now mode and this is a weak QB class that they aren't confident in at all.

They're taking BPA and it's become abundantly clear that the BPA on our board is not a QB.

They have a tab coming up that says "chiefs next move" on espnews.

I bet something about Albert...

Watch it and report back......

I'm at work or I would.

This has been discussed over and over.....The Chiefs can not ask their fanbase to sit and wait another 1-3 years for a rebuild to come to fruition. Not when they have been as bad as they have been since 2007. The bleeding has to stop now. There are no "sure things" at Qb like last year.

Dude, every single move they've made this offseason is to "Win Now".

You don't trade for a starting QB with the #34 overall pick if you're not wanting to "win now".

You don't sign two of the free agent market's best cornerbacks if you're not wanting to "win now".

You don't sign a pass catching TE that had but one drop all season last year if you're not wanting to "win now".

You don't sign a 28 year old run stopping defensive end monster if you're not wanting to "win now".

And finally, you don't make your Franchise WR the third highest paid in the game or your punter the highest paid punter in the game, if you don't want to "win now".

The Chiefs want to win in 2013.

We need to hit on the picks this year. The last 4 years we've done a terrible job at adding talent in the draft.

That's 4 years older our core players are. If we don't do a solid job this year and next what we have will be declining before what we add hit's their prime...

Possible trade flexibility with the tender signed, and the Dolphins as a potential partner to ass rape us with only a second round compensation pick.

Yeah and we still have plenty of good draft picks. The way it stands now we can draft starters but not play them till they're ready. And even though we signed a FA at a position the price tag isn't so high that we won't play a rook if wins the job.

Doing all of that and then protecting your veteran "win now" QB with a rookie LT? Definition of reeruned.

Just talked about trading Albert to Miami for a 2nd rounder...

I literally LOLed when Clayton said that

In all fairness we do have the draft yet. And while I don't see them doing it if they did take a QB somewhere in the 1st/2nd the whole Planet mindset would change.

We would have traded for a QB, signed a QB, and drafted a QB and there would no longer be any doubt this team values and is attempting to improve the position.

I'd hate trading Albert or going Joeckel but if we turned around and used a 2nd rounder on a QB that fell I'd feel completely different.

The 42nd pick in the draft for a starting LT? Uh......god I hope not.

I'll take both of their 2nd rounders.

Just throwing this out there...

If Albert gets moved for a draft pick or two, do we become players to pick up Dumervil?

It would not surprise me in the least

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They have two 3rd rounders too. But yeah it's got to be more than just #42.

If it happens, it'll likely be a 2nd and a 5th

That's just not enough.

Let's trade Peter King for a dipshit to be named later please.

Dorsey got raped on the Alex Smith deal. He SHOULD get whatever he can for the #1 overall pick, meaning we'll have to accept another bad offer.

But trading Albert for THAT pathetic offer is not only a ****ing insult, but it shows that he's completely 100% incapable of making deals in the league. Maybe he's a brilliant talent evaluator, but that trade shows that he's a ****ing awful salesman and bargainer, which is the other side of being a great GM-- you can't just be all about talent evaluation.

He's well-liked around the NFL. If he lets Albert go for a measly 2nd rounder, perhaps he's TOO well-liked. If he's the coward who always breaks first on every player deal, then he's a terrible GM. Period.

**** that. Horrible value.

Just waive his fat ass.

Not necessarily.

For whatever reason, the Chiefs front offices have wanted to ship out Albert of possible. Haley rode his ass, made him lose weight and effectively changed his game, which was leverage and strength. I have no idea how Reid plans to scheme his offensive line but clearly, they'll move on if possible.

And to say that a rookie LT would be a downgrade is complete speculation. We've seen plenty of first round tackle start day one and be effective, if not play at a Pro Bowl level out of the gate.

Nope, not at all.

"Value" is overrated.

Would you rather pay $8.5 million for Albert or $4.9 million for his replacement AND have a high second round pick?

It's as much about the cap as it is the player.

It's complete ****ing speculation to sit there and tell me that Joeckel will be better than Albert or play at a Pro Bowl level.

I'd rather pay $8.5 million to Albert, not trade for a QB who takes sacks instead of turnovers and let Chase Daniel start. We'd still have our 2nd round pick in that scenario.

Personally, I'd rather have given up 3.1 for Alex, drafted Geno or Barkley, and kept Albert.

Why is that?

There is talk around us taking a pass rusher. Dumervil fits that bill if we free up money.

Haley rode his ass. But Haley rode everyone's ass. What other indications would give you the idea that the Chiefs ever wanted to ship Albert out? That doesn't make much sense, considering they traded up for him, and haven't ever spoken ill of him.

And your second paragraph is humorous, considering how much you've already speculated that taking a rookie QB this year would be a downgrade...

I didn't name names.

I said that its not outside the realm of possibility for a left tackle to start day one and play well.

Sure, but that's not what happened.

Well, that's not what happened, is it?

When are you guys going to stop complaining and deal with the reality of the situation?

Someone posted the other day that the Bills made an offer to the 69ers that forced us to give up our 2nd and more if we wanted Alex Smith. Don't have a like either.

Correct. Ours has done it since his rookie year.....and he's doing it well.

I think this would of made it out to the Main Media and it hasn't.

The reality of the situation? Ok...how about this.

**** our 2nd rounder....it's gone.
Sign Albert to a long term deal or let him play on the tender.
Trade down or fill another need on this team with the 1st overall pick.

Did you ever think that maybe Reid and Dorsey don't like Albert?

Possible. I read it on here IIRC, and the poster usually has pretty reliable stuff. :shrug:

FYP

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Doesn't make any sense. We traded up in 2008 go get Albert BECAUSE of Andy Reid and the Eagles. If we didn't grab him, they would have.

Hey Dane, you seem different this year than in previous years of big Chiefs change. Is it because you respect the Reid/Dorsey braintrust more than previous regimes or is it because you independently like what they're doing or am I just imagining it all?

So, signing a 28 year old WR and a 25 year old CB (whom the media seemed to think was the best CB available) is trying to win-now? It is about winning, which is nice and refreshing, but that is hardly mortgaging the future. Those contracts were not exorbitant.

Signing a 30 year old punter (damn good one BTW) does not mean win-now either. Feagles retired at age 44.

Bowe is 28, and this is only his second contract. You don't think he has 5-8 more good years?

Other than trading draft picks to acquire Smith, nothing has been win-now, mortgage the future type moves. And if the FO doesn't like the QBs at the top of the draft, than Smith was the best QB available, so I find it hard to complain too much.

@OmarKelly: When asked directly about OT Branden Albert, who signed his franchise tag today and can be trades, Jeff Ireland neither confirmed or denied.

wait... don't you understand? unless you draft a QB 1.1 and have a roster composed of homegrown players all under the age 25... you have no shot of winning a championship. none. you might as well not even field a team, seriously.

Sounds like confirmation to me! A wink is as good as a nod to a blind man....

Dumping Albert and replacing him with 1.1 would be dumber than anything Scott Pioli did in 4 years.

I'ld rather go winless the next couple seasons, in order to secure top draft picks in each round in order to secure that under age 25 team, which is (obviously) destined to win the Super Bowl. Don't win now.. win LAAHHTER!

I wonder why more teams don't have this sure-fire recipe for success down?

Once again you have no idea how Reid and Dorsey feel about Albert. They didn't draft him and not married to him.

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