Luke Joeckel has teh AIDS, herps,crabs,stinky taint and more aids.

Joeckel sounded friggin reeruned at the combine. Ill trade down and grab Fisher instead of this idiot.

The florida game

The Bad:
5:22 Gets blown up, gives up a big stop.
6:10 Gets completely owned by McCray
6:30 Epic Fail cutblock
7:33 Gets just manhandled
8:50 Gets manhandled
9:14 Appears to blow his assignment
10:00 gives up the inside to #34
10:29 Gets abused
11:00 does not get a good seal on the pocket.
12:20 Manziel miracles out of a sack given up by Joeckel



The Florida tape clearly shows A&M's scheme masking many of his deficiencies. There were also plenty of times where he was just ineffective but it was away from the play or the play developed so quickly that it was inconsequential. That shit won't fly at the next level. If I wanted to nitpick this tape, we would be here all ****ing day.

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"Luke Joeckel sucks because his name doesn't rhyme with Reno Zmith"

"I wrote 3 pages in my journal today about Geno Smith. One of them was a love poem in the form of Haiku"

"Why won't Geno Smith return my fan mail? I wonder what type of boxers he wears...."

-The VAST majority of Joeckel phobics on this damn board. Flame on pussyfarts.

He looks identical to the deaf tight end from The Replacements with Keanu Reeves.

He isn't even the best tackle on his college team. Jake Matthews is ten times the prospect Jockel is.

seriously what NFL DE or OLBer is going to be afraid of this guy looks wise

this dude is going to get beat like a drum by most of these strong fast outside guys and it wont even be funny

at least for the first half of his career

If the Chiefs don't draft him, I hope this thread keeps going. I'd hate to think the hatred was only tied to the idea the Chiefs might draft him.

In what aspect? Athletically? Joeckel blows him out of the water. Run Blocking? Joeckel wins. Pass blocking? Joeckel's arguably the best in the nation. He'll be a top 5 offensive tackle in a matter of a few seasons.

Sweet Jesus; a Jokle Homer! They actually exist!
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Well... no. Not really.

This has everything to do with the hypocrisy I see with Andy Reid not liking Winston and Albert because of their strong preference to the zone blocking scheme, and only a tiny bit (less than 1%) is because I'm jaded.

I can't stand the fact that OT is going to be our pick, even after the trade down. To be honest, it makes me ****ing furious. But beyond THAT, if you're going to pull this switcheroo, which Reid is apparently going to make happen, you better make damn sure it's to get the kind of OT you want, not just because one guy is the perceived best one. That means you better go get an OT that's more Jon Runyan. And that's absolutely NOT what they're getting in Joeckel.

Apart from that, I have serious questions about Joeckel's ability to adjust to the NFL based on what I saw with Fran ****ing Tarkenton Jr. back there. And this is where some of the perceived jadedness might come in just because he's not Geno. It's not just that. It's the fact that Joeckel is FAR from the sure thing that is being assured about him from Kiper and others. Again, rarely do you find an OT prospect who is that sure thing.

That comes back to the QB decision. So yes, you're half right. I'm far more upset that Joeckel doesn't necessarily suck, but he'll need time to adjust. If you're going to do that, you may as well go with the more athletically and mentally gifted guy in Fisher or even Johnson. And it's the fact that his gay fat pudgy ass is being talked about as the "obvious" choice for us that makes me upset.

He's just not worth the #1 overall pick. Not as an OT, and not compared to other players in this draft. But that's the conversation, isn't it?

I'll make a bet with anyone here should the Chiefs draft Joeckel that he struggles big time his rookie year. We can use sacks allowed or PFF numbers as the determining factor.

I wonder if Fluker could pull off LT... He might be athletic enough... And available say, where we were picking at 34.

I don't hate him, but everything that's been said about Geno Smith by the people too chickenshit to take a QB high is triply true of Joeckel. He's just another guy. Any other draft class and he's going in the 20s or the early second.

Sucks...next.

I don't know man...

He's not even the best tackle on his college team. Matthews, in the few full games I watched of A&M, controlled the point of attack better, showed better power and better awareness at the second level and versus stunts.

Joeckel just seems like a "meh."

He's definitely not a Thomas or Okung. Not even close. He lacks the power and athleticism of those two and that's what makes you a top tackle in the league. I don't think he's as good as Anthony Costanzo, Nate Solder or Matt Kalil.

If you want to know who he reminds me of is another very highly thought of spread system guy that the scouts thought had tons of potential but lack of those elite measurables, athleticism, strength - Jason Smith of the Rams.

Quote:

Positives: Tall, athletic left tackle prospect. ... Excellent straight-line speed and hustle, getting downfield on screens and long runs. ... Can pull and trap, running smoothly and adjusting to oncoming defenders. ... Moves to the second level quickly, using good angles to keep linebackers out of the play. ... Should work well in zone-blocking schemes with his ability to lock onto defenders and move. ... Gets down quickly to cut block despite his height. ... Adjusts well to outside blitzers. ... Willing to throw his man to the ground and keep him there. ... Has made significant improvement in terms of technique and strength over the past two years at left tackle. Negatives: Typically operates out of a two-point stance for Baylor. ... Raw in his pass-set technique, standing a bit upright and backpedaling instead of sliding to mirror his man. ... Locks onto his man at first, but eventually loses his balance and grip due to his average upper-body strength and footwork. ... Does not have much of a punch in pass protection. ... Can lose the hands battle on the line. ... Could use a bit more bulk in the lower body to be more effective as a drive blocker. ... Could be moved inside to left guard for a zone-blocking team.

Reads just like Joeckels:

Quote:

Strengths Technically-sound left tackle prospect. Plays with good bend and a very wide base in pass protection in spite of his long legs. Moves feet quickly and stays in balance, rarely giving up the edge and pulling off the down block/outside blitz pick-up admirably. Good timing and strength on his punch, possesses good hand placement and will reset them to maintain distance. Recovers quickly if his misses his punch, stays on his man. Gets after his man in the run game, has foot quickness to get correct angle and keeps them moving to sustain the block. Good power step inside to choke off inside spin moves. Capable cut-blocker. Excellent athleticism and foot speed, showing the ability to mirror and stay in front of many talented pass rushers over his three years starting. Weaknesses Does not possess elite upper or lower-body strength; only adequate as a drive-blocker and can be pushed back by better defensive ends and shed in the run game. Foot quickness is good, but does not execute the reach block as often as you’d like. Overextends his punch on occasion, vulnerable to a rip move outside or spin inside. Played exclusively in a two-point stance and can get caught playing upright. Due to Manziel’s ability to break the pocket and scramble, did not frequently face pass rushers that challenged him hard upfield.

Their combine results are nearly identical as well.

Joeckel:
40 yard: 5.30
Bench: 27 reps
Vertical: 28.5
Broad: 106.5
3 Cone: 7.4
20 Yard: 4.68

Smith:
40 yard: 5.22
Bench: 33 reps
Vertical: 24.0
Broad: 96.0
3 Cone: 7.53
20 Yard: 4.69

That doesn't scream "Top 10 OT" to me. That speaks of the potential for mediocrity.

This is the **** Luke Jokel thread. Pay attention.

That's a pretty depressing report, Sac.

I SERIOUSLY hope we trade down now. Just so we can avoid the abortion that is Luke Joeckel

Not even close.

Tait was a man coming out of college. Great power.

And he was one of, if not the best right tackle in the NFL.

I remember him blocking three guys at once. Just stoned them. He was a big reason for the Bears successful run at the SB that year.

Maybe, but Barrett Jones certainly can. He has already won the Outland Trophy playing at left tackle his junior year. As well as being named first team All-American at LG his sophomore year and at Center his Senior year.

Barrett Jones is a ****ing stud horse.

Tait's write up was the same as Joeckel's too thought of as a little soft attitude wise hence him dropping to KC to the 14th overall instead of the projected top 5 pick that most draftniks had him mocked at.

The nice thing about this thread was being able to watch Jon Bostic. Holy balls, does that guy play fast for a thumper. I'm going to be a little pissed off if we pass on that guy with our third rounder.

**** Luke Jackoff see my sig

And that's the damn problem. Your sig has about as much to do with Luke Joeckel as it does Rachael Ray. For the last time, just because you stroke yourself to Jason Campbe...I mean Geno Smith at night does not mean you have to have a phobia of Luke Joeckel.

Luke Joeckel would be the most pathetic excuse for a #1 overall pick since Courtney Brown. Most of that is because of the position he plays, but the other part is because frankly he just isn't that awesome.

A good and only possibly great OT is the #1 overall pick when the Chiefs finally get a crack at it. Do you ****ing see why we hate the idea of him?

And with all due respect, what makes you think he isn't a superior player? Specifically, not just "he can't pass block!!1" or "he looks like a peter puffer".

Because he struggles against speed around the corner and guys that get a strong push to his inside. He's not particularly strong in his upper or lower body, either. A LOT of his problems that he could potentially have at the pro level were masked by no only his QB but the other offensive linemen on his team. Like people have been saying, he wasn't even the best OT on his own team last year.

Oh, and of course there's the notion that he's not even the best OT this draft according to nearly half the draft pundits out there.

Jake Long's flaws stemmed entirely from the lack of growth as a player that would likely transpire as a pro, but he was a FAR more complete player who came from a better situation that adequately showcased his abilities.

Eric Fisher is likely already at the same ability as Joeckel and his potential for growth could make him TWICE the tackle that Joeckel will become. It's through the roof. That's why so many people overwhelmingly prefer him and Lane Johnson to Joeckel.

IN!

So would you lose sleep if KC takes Fisher? Even more broad, what players not named Geno Smith would you be comfortable with taking at 1?

I don't ****ing care, really. I'm not going to be watching or caring about the Chiefs this season. I'm ****ing sick of trading for backup QBs. That shit never ****ing works, and thus far the franchise apparently hasn't learned to ****ing stop doing shit that never works. Pretty depressing because I thought after the 4th 4-12 finish or worse in 6 years and some of the worst QB play I've ever seen from a franchise, they'd be ready to move past that shit and change. But nope. Apparently ****ing not.

They need to try like hell to trade down. If they can't, then I guess Fisher is going to have to do. He's better than Joeckel at 1, that's for sure.

Albert is not moving so a RT at 1 is stupid.
We have 2 pass rushing studs at OLB so picking there would be a waste.
Albert is more of a sure thing at LT than AS is at quarterback.
Which is why Geno is the only pick that makes sense.
And turn your rep on you pussy.

if we draft this guy I will kill myself

If they really want to draft a LT so bad why can't they do it later in the draft. All of this "the best prospect in years" bullshit is just that, bullshit. I'm sure the difference between a tackle in the first and one in the third isn't that ****ing big. Now, you wanna trade him, **** it, do it (even though that would be dumb).....unless he's hurt. But for the love of anything of importance, DO NOT TAKE A ****ING TACKLE NUMBER ONE!! (yes I was yelling)

Do not want.

May as well shoot me first. What a horrible, horrible outcome to having the #1 overall pick.

Truth. We hear a lot of lets take a LT at 1.1 and take a swing on a QB in the later rounds. Well, why can't we do the vice versa? Because a QB that high is too "risky."

Come piss away, come piss away, come piss away the number one pick lads...

We're not taking Jokel, and this day just got beautiful.
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Holy shit, where has this thread been all my life???

Link?

You can read, I take it?
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I refuse to believe that a man who would take Raji, Matthews, and Hawk would look at Jokeass and say, "**** yeah; that's the turd this team needs"!
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