I'm talking about now. Not 3 years ago. Cassel's last 2 years were pathetic dogshit, and even his 2010 there were big red flags about him sustaining any success.

Smith carried over what he did in 2011.

I can't hate on him that he got Wally Pip'd by a guy who's just better than he is.

He was the backup the second half of the season and the playoffs after he missed 1 game because of injury. If he wasn't the backup, he would have been starting every week.

confidence! :thumb: i would be surprised if he could throw 20 TD.

The better question is weather he will finally be able to have a receiver go over 1000 YDS.

Over under on Bowes recieving yards this year should be set around 800.

He was on pace for 26 TD's last year.

I was surprised they kept him benched after he was cleared to play. CK gave the geam an added dimension and it was a bold move that paid off. Smith is a starting QB in the NFL, if not here, somewhere else. He's not top ten, he's middle of the pack, but a solid starter.

This isn't the 90s anymore. Middle of the pack doesnt win SB's.

With Reids offense I say over/under for Bowe is 1200

I think Flacco is middle of the pack.

It wasn't Reid's offense but this is KC bitch! Something in the atmosphere doesn't allow the pigskin to fly quite right.

I don't. He's in the top 10.

Alex Smith is more like 15-20.

Per PFCentral we are interested and talking to Karlos Dansby..

If Alex Smith is here the last two years being coached by morons and surrounded by shitty players the Chiefs are not much better IMO.

He is a big mirage created by Harbaugh and the 49ers.

Guess we'll see but I'm not ready to call him any better than Cassel's best.

To me he is 2010 Matt Cassel.

When you're almost constantly playing with a lead and have a good running game...easy to protect the ball.

Not going to answer clay?
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If Alex Smith wins one playoff game here, I don't care if he throws for 15 touchdowns.

Cassel's stats were generally padded. The only exceptional game he played was against Seattle.

Well, the Chiefs just went from QBs ranked in the 35-45 range. If Flacco is top ten its low top ten. Five or six spots from Smith.

The internet.

I take him over Manziel and Glennon every ****ing time.
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Why does PFF grade Alex Smith so much better, Clay?

Having it both ways, are we?

QBs that are better than Flacco (in no particular order):

1. Brees
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Manning
5. Manning
6. Newton
7. Griffin III
8. Stafford
9. Ryan
10. Roethlisberger

More QBS that I could easily argue are better than Flacco:

Luck
Rivers
Romo
Cutler


Kaepernick and Flacco are both middle of the road, in my opinion.

The fact that 3 of the last 4 QBs left in the playoffs this year were not top 10 QBs quelled a lot of the talk going on around here about the necessity of having an elite QB/the league being an "elite QB league" ...

Edit: I am not an Alex Smith apologist. I still hate the trade. I believed that we could win with Geno this year, in fact.

Nice.

And Flacco is easily top-10.

Alex Smith is easily bottom-10.

LMAO

TBG is KC in on any ILBs? Dansby or Scott?

Good point.

Rivers, Romo, Cutler, Stafford, RGIII, Luck, Ryan, and Newton are not better than Flacco. That is ****ing ridiculous

but Cassel had a negative PFF rating that year

Smith was the 8th best PFF QB in 2011

...

you can't spray that shit around as Gospel and then turn on it when it doesn't paint the picture you want it to paint

hypocrite

Chiefs QB's in 16 games this year were like -25 (or maybe worse)?
Alex Smith in 8 games was +8 in 2012 and +17.5 in 2011

so lets just say he got to +15 this year...

That's a +40 differential between our QB's...

which is higher than what Russell Wilson gave to the Seahawks as the #5 rated PFF QB

INTERESTING

LET'S GET BEHIND HIM!









And push him off the Broadway Bridge...
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"ROR...the wittiest poster on ChiefsPlanet!!!!"

-said no one ever

You're a god Damn moron. Have you EVER watched Manziel play a game ?

Because he never takes risks with the ball.

He throws the ball down the field less than Cassel.

Amazing, isn't it?

**** manziel
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A couple of extra picks, eh?

We should definitely target our LSoTF - long snapper on the future.

We need to hear something positive from you. Damn it!

so then PFF is very flawed when grading QB's because shouldn't such an amazing tool take such a glaring weakness by a QB into account?

That settles it. PFF is a useless grading tool. Time to throw out your bible and get a new one Clay.

Do they? I can't see their scores but the summation on both guys seems about the same. I mean if you're comparing Matt Cassel on a functional team to Alex Smiths time on a functional team and not the dumpster fire he had to deal with early on.

2010 Cassel assesment
2012 Smith trade wrap-up
They seem a lot like the same guy. On a good team where they aren't required to do a ton they can be effective at protecting the football and game managing for you. Is Alex Smith a bit better? Sure, maybe, but that doesn't make me feel great. At least we have Reid

Haven't heard anything.

Although Scott wouldn't surprise me as a later pickup for cheap.

But I think he's a huge asshole so I don't want him here.

Exactly.

I was looking at Alex's career and since coming back from his injury in 2010 the last month of that season up until he was injured in 2012 and not including that game. Alex played 30 games including the playoffs and over that span his QB rating of 96.5. So looking at his most recent history Alex isn't bad at all. ( I was pissed about the trade when I heard so am I rationalizing the move? Maybe a little.) 31/11 Tds to ints. One TD per game. When he had his best full year in 2011 he followed it up by playing even better in 2012 until his injury and then being benched for Kapernick.

That's a pretty good stretch for a game manager type and probably what we can expect from Alex Smith.

If Manziel was our QB this year we'd be contenders , and he's a freshman.


You're just dumb as proven.

this defense needs an asshole on the team...a vet to fire some of these uber talented young guys up...I would be totally fine with a 2 down Bart Scott for a minimal contract.

You're probably right. I just think he's an asshole that doesn't have much left.

Bullshit. on all counts.


**** Manziel
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I doubt he has anything left lol

but this team is in desperate need of a guy like that...someone who has been on winning defenses and someone that may give the guys an edge...

our talented defensive guys are too used to losing and don't play with enough edge IMO

Mike Vrabel's available.

Bart Scott to the Chiefs?

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Scott is a two down thumper...not a rush backer. Wouldn't mind having his veteran presence on the team since he's been on winning defenses. Our guys are too used to losing.

No you wont.

You're a welcher. Everyone on this board agrees...

Explain. Other than just **** Manziel .

and you're an idiot for taking that post seriously

it was obviously tongue in cheek

Dawg. I disagree wholeheartedly.

I just hate the little ****er.

Johnny football? He can go **** himself.

Don't think he's that fast really. He's smaller. He tries to run too much.

I just don't like the little pimply faced ****er
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'and' idiot...


dumy.

Some of those are arguable (Cutler, Rivers) but this whole idea suddenly that Joe Flacco is an elite QB is total bullshit and I didn't think Hamas Jenkins could be Rahim'd Moore like a lot of this board but it seems to have happened.

I don't use the gay lexicon stuff...the cool stuff I'll use. Not the gay stuff. Too cool for that.

Neat.

Wtf has Stafford done besides throw the ball a ridiculous amount of times and rack up tons of yards?

Ryan is good and I'd put him in or near the top 10 as well but he's still behind Flacco because of what Flacco just did.

RG3 was a rookie that couldn't finish the year and may wind up on the IR every season.

Newton hasn't accomplished shit in the NFL.

Flacco had a great, great, great postseason which was gifted to him by the worst defensive play in the history of the NFL by Rahim Moore.

If that DIDN'T happen, no one would consider Joe Flacco anything more than a fringe top 10-15 QB that has major consistency issues.

This whole idea that he's elite now because he lucked into one Super Bowl makes me LOL.

Big difference between elite and top 10.

I'd say there are only 4 elite QBs.

Rodgers
Brady
P. Manning
Brees

E. Manning is probably 5 but I don't consider him an elite QB.

Cam Newton was drafted by the worst team in the NFL.

Joe Flacco was drafted by a perennial playoff team with a great defense and a great running game.

Joe Flacco hadn't accomplished shit in the NFL either...until he strung together two good postseasons...

you know, which is ****ing nice and all other than the fact he puts in abysmal regular season after abysmal regular season.

I understand postseason football is where it really counts but good luck continuing to get to the postseason with Joe Flacco as your QB once that elite defense gets old and regresses (UH OH, THAT JUST HAPPENED)...

He still needs to take that regular season step before I can consider him elite. Maybe the monkey is off his back now because everyone is sucking his dick and he can put in a great regular season and then I'll fully admit he's great (because I know he has that potential)...

but MY MONEY IS ON another Joe Flacco year...and I'm predicting they go 8-8 because the QB doesn't show up on the road.

Flacco is a lot like Eli: A mediocre fantasy QB that has quietly put together multiple elite playoff seasons now.

That matters. In the last two postseasons he's thoroughly whipped Brady's ass twice, Manning's once, put together a damned nice SB, and a should-have-been-game-winning AFCCG drive.

Yeah, the Rahim Moore play was lucky, but so was the helmet catch, Tuck Rule, the end zone pick that the Bengal dropped in his breadbasket in SB XXIII, and several other examples.

I'd take Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick over Drew Brees next year without a doubt.

Russell Wilson is a lock in my eyes. He'll be considered the best QB in the NFL within 2 years. Kaepernick is the most physically gifted QB to ever lace up a pair of cleats.

Brees is great and all but the amount of tipped balls and INT's he continues to throw is alarming. I think the Saints are done being Super Bowl contenders.

I love Rodgers. He's one flaw away from being the perfect QB (he needs to stop taking too many sacks).

Brady and Manning are on their last legs and will Manning be able to win in the cold when it counts? Will Brady be able to play good in the postseason ever again?

If I could choose one QB for 2013 I'm choosing Russell Wilson.

Hootie,

I think your fantasy Guru-itude has caused you to severely overrate regular season numbers and stats.

Ok I agree...

Eli played about as bad as Alex Smith in the 2011 NFCCG.

Eli is three miracles away from Tom Brady being 5-5.

I agree that Eli and Flacco have elevated their play in the postseason.

I also think Eli >>>> Flacco

and I also think Flacco is what Flacco is...and if the team can overcome his inconsistency perhaps he can do what he did the past two seasons again...

but I'm not banking on it...

and if I'm a Ravens fan I'm happy as shit we won a Super Bowl but I'm not looking forward to 2013 and thinking "WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN!"

No, I'd be thinking..."boy, I think we're ****ed."

Give me Russell Wilson please. He's going to be a hall of famer. In 3 years or less (I say 2), everyone will be like "he's the best QB in the NFL."

That would be Randall Cunningham.

People remember only the stationary thrower in MN. They forget the electric freak in Philly.

Talk about a gifted athlete and a damn good QB.

dude what I saw from Wilson against Atlanta gave me a 5 hour erection...

that dude is a PURE winner with an amazing blood line

he BLEEDS excellence...that dude will never fail

bookmark these posts...there is no way he isn't considered THE ELITE OF THE ELITE sooner than later...the dude is ****ing marvelous

and Kaepernick? Who's going to stop him. He runs like Newton, slings it like Favre, and threads it like Brees. He's still raw but he got to a ****ing Super Bowl, has a great head on his shoulders, has a great coach to compliment him, and has an excellent supporting cast.

I'm taking Wilson over Kaepernick but in terms of the new age QB I'm taking both of those guys over Luck and not even thinking twice about it.

Honestly, bookmark these posts. I'm sure of these things.

I'm absolutely with you on Wilson. I called him a HOF'er in the Atlanta game.

No ****ing way.

How is Cunningham better than Kaepernick?

and you know what, I hate when you do this

we are the same age

you can't possibly argue this, just like I really can't...

when did we ever watch more than highlight films of Randall Cunningham doing his thing?

Call me when Kapernick has 942 yards rushing in one season.

Buddy Ryan should be executed for his mismanagement of that team.

I'm 100% sold on Wilson. He's going to be the next big thing and it's going to happen about 8 weeks in this year when the Seahawks just light the league on fire.

and Kaepernick? My god, he's a can't miss as well. I don't think he is going to be AS GOOD as Wilson because I think Wilson is still a traditional QB who can do EVERYTHING ELSE and EVERYTHING ELSE well but doesn't have to..

but Kaepernick has potential that we've never seen...the dude has a ****ing howitzer and threads the ball as well as I've ever seen...and he is only going to get better with coaching.

those two are the next generation of elite, HOF QB's

they make me less sad that Brady and Manning are going to be gone pretty soon

Dude,

I'm three-four years older than you. I watched those early 90s Eagles games on the NFC on CBS. I remember the Fog Bowl, for Chrissakes. I'm not talking about the '83 Raiders.

It should be no different than your memory of the Bulls w/ Jordan.

LMAO

he would have been on pace for over 800...

and in 3 postseason games he ran for nearly 300 yards

and that's pretty much with them not running him at all, by design, against Atlanta (where he tore them apart with his arm)...

I'd give both nuts and my wang for Wilson.

I'd give a nut and a half + wang for Kaepernick.

I'd give a nut for Luck.

yeah and I tend to sensationalize Jordan because I was 12 and still believed in heroes and dreams and didn't realize life was full of DaneMcCloud disappointment

I believe that Kenny Mayne lost his job to Cunningham at UNLV...now that is something I'm too young to remember.

At best it's a push. Kaepernick...maybe faster. Randall Cunningham had disgusting levels of quickness and agility.

When I was 12 I soaked my Chiefs hat in lighter fluid and burned it after Jacksonville knocked them out of the playoffs.

I don't know, I remember Cunningham obviously in Minnesota and I remember his highlights from Philly but I have never been one to argue things that I just wasn't old enough to remember. So it's a moot point.

The point is, Russell Wilson is a 1st ballot hall of famer and he went on the god damn 3rd round when our QB's were Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn and Ricky Stanzi and we took Donald Stephenson when we already had Branden Albert and Eric Winston.

YES!

was that the year that some kicker ****ed up so bad that it allowed Jacksonville in the playoffs in the first place?

People here would be excoriating the Chiefs for the Wilson cluster if anyone here actually wanted to draft him. LMAO.

Everyone's like, "Wilson...yeah...he's good. Shit."