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nychief 03-19-2013 09:57 AM

...Reid said, giggling to himself.

Mr. Laz 03-19-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9513386)
All of their moves do not indicated OT at #1. It indicates that they really want to trade down.

They have made offseason moves that have left an starting spot at OT open in a draft where offensive line is supposedly one of the strongest positions.

They have traded 2 draft picks for a starting QB and spent 3 million for a backup QB. They have signed 2 cornerbacks and a wide receiver.

Will they trade down ... maybe, i imagine any team in the top 5 would consider trading down in this draft.

But their personnel moves indicate a OT at #1, unless you think they are drafting a MLB at 1.

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 09:59 AM

Are we in for a potential 3rd geno induced CP meltdown come draft day after they pass on him?!?!?!

ptlyon 03-19-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513402)
Are we in for a potential 3rd geno induced CP meltdown come draft day after they pass on him?!?!?!

Inevitable

Bwana 03-19-2013 10:01 AM

He's just trying to drive the trade down price up.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 10:02 AM

When the Eagles leapfrog the Jags for Geno what do you do then?

jd1020 03-19-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9513409)
When the Eagles leapfrog the Jags for Geno what do you do then?

I don't get the Geno to Eagles theory. He doesn't really fit Chip Kelly's offense.

Hammock Parties 03-19-2013 10:04 AM

You son of a bitch walrus.

The Franchise 03-19-2013 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9513400)
They have made offseason moves that have left an starting spot at OT open in a draft where offensive line is supposedly one of the strongest positions.

They have traded 2 draft picks for a starting QB and spent 3 million for a backup QB. They have signed 2 cornerbacks and a wide receiver.

Will they trade down ... maybe, i imagine any team in the top 5 would consider trading down in this draft.

But their personnel moves indicate a OT at #1, unless you think they are drafting a MLB at 1.

As it stands right now (unless they trade him)....they have a hole at RT. They now have an OG/OT in Geoff Schwartz who has played RT before but will probably take over at OG. Allen played both LT and RT in college. TBG's source also stated that they view Allen as a RT.

What they have done is basically filled almost all of their needs so that they can go BPA. It's all going to come down to Reid and Dorsey though. They may view Geno as BPA....they may not.

And the picks/money they spent on QB already still do not eliminate Geno. The numbers have already been posted....but all 3 QBs would only cost them $14 million.

Saul Good 03-19-2013 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9513377)
Alex Smith:

40 - 4.71
Vertical - 32
Broad Jump - 9.4

Geno Smith:

40 - 4.59
Vertical - 33.5
Broad Jump - 10.4

I believe those are Geno's unofficial stats. Combine stars are almost always worse.

keg in kc 03-19-2013 10:07 AM

This whole idea about "who's better, Geno or Alex" is the wrong way to look at it. It's not about who's better. That's impossible to know, because one of them has never been on an NFL field. It's all about risk and reward. Geno Smith is an unknown quantity, just like every QB who has ever headed into the draft. Some people see that as a negative, because it's an inherent gamble. Other people see that as a positive, because there's at least a remote chance for greatness there, in comparison to an established player like Alex Smith, who as a known quantity has limits which are well-defined by this point, and he's never going beyond them. So the question, then, comes down to whether it's better to go with the unspectacular but seemingly "safe" choice in Alex Smith, or to take a chance on an unknown like Geno Smith, who could be much more, but could also be somewhat less, depending on how it goes.

I think at some point you have to take that chance. Unfortunately I'm a fan of a franchise that seems to disagree.

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9513409)
When the Eagles leapfrog the Jags for Geno what do you do then?

Dion Jordan. I'm not a QB fan girl, I'm a fan of my team.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9513411)
I don't get the Geno to Eagles theory. He doesn't really fit Chip Kelly's offense.

Uhh, he's going to have to adjust it a wee bit for NFL success. Dennis Dixon and Fasoli's or whatever the dude's name was isn't going to cut it.

Mr. Laz 03-19-2013 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 9513396)
...Reid said, giggling to himself.

^

this ... he's already starting to amuse himself by ****ing with Chiefs' Nation.

The Franchise 03-19-2013 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9513416)
I believe those are Geno's unofficial stats. Combine stars are almost always worse.

No....they're not.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513420)
Dion Jordan. I'm not a QB fan girl, I'm a fan of my team.

So, you are still a 2-4 win team for the near future then with no hope. Cool.

jd1020 03-19-2013 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9513421)
Uhh, he's going to have to adjust it a wee bit for NFL success. Dennis Dixon and Fasoli's or whatever the dude's name was isn't going to cut it.

Changing his offense a "wee bit" is not the same as doing a complete 180.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9513436)
Changing his offense a "wee bit" is not the same as doing a complete 180.

He's going to need a guy that can make plays in the pocket and is mobile. Geno is both. I would find it hilarious if he envisions a Dixon type tearing shit up in this league though, heh.

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9513430)
So, you are still a 2-4 win team for the near future then with no hope. Cool.

We are rebuilding. Of course there is hope. It's not like we traded for a game manager QB that we will be stuck with.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513444)
We are rebuilding. Of course there is hope. It's not like we traded for a game manager QB that we will be stuck with.

Under contract for 2 years. They can easily go QB this year or next. A one and 2-twos is NOT too much to spend on hedging your bets at the position.

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9513450)
Under contract for 2 years. They can easily go QB this year or next. A one and 2-twos is NOT too much to spend on hedging your bets at the position.

You'll disagree when Geno goes elsewhere and dominates :)

Chief_For_Life58 03-19-2013 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9513421)
Uhh, he's going to have to adjust it a wee bit for NFL success. Dennis Dixon and Fasoli's or whatever the dude's name was isn't going to cut it.

oh man fazolis italian is ****ing good. amiright? I get the slice of pizza as my side

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 9513457)
oh man fazolis italian is ****ing good. amiright? I get the slice of pizza as my side

:D

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 10:21 AM

I get the sampler from Fazolis.

Saccopoo 03-19-2013 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9513400)
They have made offseason moves that have left an starting spot at OT open in a draft where offensive line is supposedly one of the strongest positions.

They have traded 2 draft picks for a starting QB and spent 3 million for a backup QB. They have signed 2 cornerbacks and a wide receiver.

Will they trade down ... maybe, i imagine any team in the top 5 would consider trading down in this draft.

But their personnel moves indicate a OT at #1, unless you think they are drafting a MLB at 1.

Who said OT is one of the strongest positions?

It's not deep at all and the top guys aren't elite level prospects by any measure.

2011 was a very good year for tackle prospects.

2010 was a very good year for tackle prospects.

2008 was a very good year for tackle prospects.

There is nobody that jumps off the charts this year and it's not that deep a class in terms of quality.

Personally, I think the best OT prospect in this class is Barrett Jones. Most of these other guys have a lot of warts or just have under performed.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 10:23 AM

Only the Chiefs would piss away the number one overall pick on a position that was very strong despite winning only 2 games.

Mr. Laz 03-19-2013 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9513471)
Who said OT is one of the strongest positions?

It's not deep at all and the top guys aren't elite level prospects by any measure.

2011 was a very good year for tackle prospects.

2010 was a very good year for tackle prospects.

2008 was a very good year for tackle prospects.

There is nobody that jumps off the charts this year and it's not that deep a class in terms of quality.

Personally, I think the best OT prospect in this class is Barrett Jones. Most of these other guys have a lot of warts or just have under performed.

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RunKC 03-19-2013 10:25 AM

Nobody in this draft is elite.

When are people gonna understand this?

King_Chief_Fan 03-19-2013 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513444)
We are rebuilding. Of course there is hope. It's not like we traded for a game manager QB that we will be stuck with.

you have much worse than A. Smith ......you are stuck with Gabbert

NJChiefsFan 03-19-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9513478)
Nobody in this draft is elite.

When are people gonna understand this?

Nobody knows what prospects will turn into. You call out people for speaking in abslolutes, rightfully so, but often do the same. You don't know anymore than we do.

ChiefMojo 03-19-2013 10:54 AM

But it does get old having many throw it down your throat that Geno is the second coming of Manning/Luck... it works both ways. Heck I support Geno as well but it does get old quick.

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 9513495)
you have much worse than A. Smith ......you are stuck with Gabbert

How are we stuck with him?

BigCatDaddy 03-19-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9513515)
But it does get old having many throw it down your throat that Geno is the second coming of Manning/Luck... it works both ways. Heck I support Geno as well but it does get old quick.

2nd coming in what way?

The Franchise 03-19-2013 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9513515)
But it does get old having many throw it down your throat that Geno is the second coming of Manning/Luck... it works both ways. Heck I support Geno as well but it does get old quick.

Who the **** has ever stated that Geno Smith is the 2nd coming of Manning or Luck?

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9513531)
Who the **** has ever stated that Geno Smith is the 2nd coming of Manning or Luck?

Exactly. If anything it's the opposite. Tru Fans say we can't take him cause he isn't a Manning or Luck. We just call them morons and compare him to other good prospects that have come out.

Otter 03-19-2013 11:03 AM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kHCePkWXG7...0/groupies.jpg

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 11:04 AM

We got new jerseys and Geno is coming. Feel free to jump ship to the Seahawks South.

King_Chief_Fan 03-19-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513516)
How are we stuck with him?

When does his contract expire? Have you cut him yet?
Have you made any trades? You picking one in the draft?

Mr_Tomahawk 03-19-2013 11:05 AM

Jim Corbett‏@ByJimCorbett
Andy Reid: 'A couple of teams' have shown interest in first pick http://usat.ly/16H5zXx via @USATODAY

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 9513543)
When does his contract expire? Have you cut him yet?
Have you made any trades? You picking one in the draft?

Why would we cut him? We will need a backup when we take Geno.

Bewbies 03-19-2013 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9513544)
Jim Corbett‏@ByJimCorbett
Andy Reid: 'A couple of teams' have shown interest in first pick http://usat.ly/16H5zXx via @USATODAY

Geno not worth the pick even though multiple teams want to trade up for him...

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 11:09 AM

You'll go by M@nue/ at the end of the draft.

King_Chief_Fan 03-19-2013 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513548)
Why would we cut him? We will need a backup when we take Geno.

you will need a kings ransom to get him...Chiefs will pick him at 1.1 and then let the bartering begin.

You gave a 1 and a 2 for Gabbert. No telling what you will have to give to get Geno.

WV 03-19-2013 11:11 AM

I would totally take back all my negative talk if they actually draft Geno!

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 9513561)
you will need a kings ransom to get him...Chiefs will pick him at 1.1 and then let the bartering begin.

You gave a 1 and a 2 for Gabbert. No telling what you will have to give to get Geno.

I don't think you understand how it works. That was to trade from 16 to 10. Much different than just swapping 1st and 2nd.

BigCatDaddy 03-19-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513573)
I don't think you understand how it works. That was to trade from 16 to 10. Much different than just swapping 1st and 2nd.

When 1st is Geno Smith and 2nd is Luke Jackoff it will cost.

King_Chief_Fan 03-19-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513573)
I don't think you understand how it works. That was to trade from 16 to 10. Much different than just swapping 1st and 2nd.

yes, I know that....still too much for Gabbert don't you think?

B14ckmon 03-19-2013 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 9513582)
yes, I know that....still too much for Gabbert don't you think?

I ****ing despised the Gabbert pick. So yes. There is a reason why Gene Smith is unemployed.

Reerun_KC 03-19-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9513550)
Geno not worth the pick even though multiple teams want to trade up for him...

This line of thinking is why teams like the Chiefs are the Chiefs.

Lex Luthor 03-19-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9513322)
Aaron Rodgers
Philip Rivers
Steve Young

I hope you're right.

Lex Luthor 03-19-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9513550)
Geno not worth the pick even though multiple teams want to trade up for him...

I assume you are being sarcastic.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-19-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9513402)
Are we in for a potential 3rd geno induced CP meltdown come draft day after they pass on him?!?!?!

It would be less sickening/disgusting then 80% of the fan base that loves an OT. They well swoon no matter what the Chiefs do. Anything less is high treason.

Dr. Van Halen 03-19-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 9513627)
It would be less sickening/disgusting then 80% of the fan base that loves an OT. They well swoon no matter what the Chiefs do. Anything less is high treason.

I don't know that I'll swoon no matter what they do, but I am willing to concede that Andy Freaking Reid probably knows more about quarterbacks than fans. Considering the moves Reid has made at the start of free agency (how long have we wanted the Chiefs to make moves at the START of free agency?!), I am willing to give him some fudging credit, for the love of fudge.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 11:40 AM

Same was said about Scooter.

mr. tegu 03-19-2013 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen (Post 9513656)
I don't know that I'll swoon no matter what they do, but I am willing to concede that Andy Freaking Reid probably knows more about quarterbacks than fans. Considering the moves Reid has made at the start of free agency (how long have we wanted the Chiefs to make moves at the START of free agency?!), I am willing to give him some fudging credit, for the love of fudge.

But he apparently doesn't know a whole lot about the offensive line considering he seems bent on turning our line into the crap fest that was Philly's o-line.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 11:44 AM

Two Top 10 tackles on their respective sides and they want to blow it up. Smart...heh

In58men 03-19-2013 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9513478)
Nobody in this draft is elite.

When are people gonna understand this?

@caplannfl: Lot to like based on talent level/production. No QB is ever perfect coming out of college. RT @CPassio: @caplannfl Thoughts on Geno Smith??



Adam Caplan is a smart man unlike some posters here. Nobody is "elite" coming out of college.

DaneMcCloud 03-19-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9513678)
@caplannfl: Lot to like based on talent level/production. No QB is ever perfect coming out of college. RT @CPassio: @caplannfl Thoughts on Geno Smith??



Adam Caplan is a smart man unlike some posters here. Nobody is "elite" coming out of college.

Yeah, that Andrew Luck guy sucked.

So did Marino and Elway. Complete crap.

The Franchise 03-19-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9513682)
Yeah, that Andrew Luck guy sucked

Yeah....one guy in how many ****ing years?

DaneMcCloud 03-19-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9513683)
Yeah....one guy in how many ****ing years?

Read his post: He says NO ONE IS ELITE.

Is that true?

No, it's not.

In58men 03-19-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9513682)
Yeah, that Andrew Luck guy sucked.

So did Marino and Elway. Complete crap.

Who said they sucked? Every QB has flaws, that was the purpose of Adams tweet, read it next time you stupid ****

BossChief 03-19-2013 11:49 AM

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Donovan McNabb
Colin Kaepernick

All of these guys sat behind a vet to start their careers.

Dr. Van Halen 03-19-2013 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9513674)
But he apparently doesn't know a whole lot about the offensive line considering he seems bent on turning our line into the crap fest that was Philly's o-line.

Explain what he has done to turn our line into a crap fest. He cut Winston and franchised Albert. Both good moves.

I was under the impression that the Eagles' o-line woes were due to injury.

DaneMcCloud 03-19-2013 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9513686)
Who said they sucked? Every QB has flaws, read the tweet you stupid ****

I read what YOU said, moron.

DaneMcCloud 03-19-2013 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9513687)
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Donovan McNabb
Colin Kaepernick

All of these guys sat behind a vet to start their careers.

Who cares?

saphojunkie 03-19-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9513683)
Yeah....one guy in how many ****ing years?

Actually, I'd have to argue that there were three guys in one year. Anyone who didn't realize that Wilson and RG3 were elite as well was just blind.

Seriously, every single GM that didn't already have a QB and passed on Wilson should have been fired this offseason. Come to think of it, which of them wasn't?

Messier 03-19-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9513676)
Two Top 10 tackles on their respective sides and they want to blow it up. Smart...heh

Albert is still here, so they haven't blown both up yet. I'd like to to know why Winston was cut. There has to be something to it. I don't believe it was that he's standing in the way of us taking a OT. There had to be something to it.

Nightfyre 03-19-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9513682)
Yeah, that Andrew Luck guy sucked.

So did Marino and Elway. Complete crap.

Marino had huge question marks, Dane. Jesus. You name two QBs from 30 years apart and even they weren't "perfect prospects" according to the "experts."

mr. tegu 03-19-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen (Post 9513688)
Explain what he has done to turn our line into a crap fest. He cut Winston and franchised Albert. Both good moves.

I was under the impression that the Eagles' o-line woes were due to injury.

How is cutting Winston a good move? How is franchising Albert and possibly trading him a good move? You would be replacing proven OTs with unproven players.

In58men 03-19-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9513691)
I read what YOU said, moron.

If you read then your reply made zero sense or maybe you're just that ****ing ignorant.

The Franchise 03-19-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9513693)
Actually, I'd have to argue that there were three guys in one year. Anyone who didn't realize that Wilson and RG3 were elite as well was just blind.

Seriously, every single GM that didn't already have a QB and passed on Wilson should have been fired this offseason. Come to think of it, which of them wasn't?

Oh quit it with the ****ing hindsight bullshit with Russell Wilson. He's so elite that 32 teams passed on him for 2 rounds.

And RGIII had flaws....just like Andrew Luck had a flaw or two.

DaneMcCloud 03-19-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9513693)
Actually, I'd have to argue that there were three guys in one year. Anyone who didn't realize that Wilson and RG3 were elite as well was just blind.

Seriously, every single GM that didn't already have a QB and passed on Wilson should have been fired this offseason. Come to think of it, which of them wasn't?

What about Cam Newton? He only set the rookie passing record in 2011, which was broken by Andrew Luck in 2012. Newton's already amassed 62 TD's in 32 games.

62 TD's in 32 games.
That's insane.

But, I forgot. No one is "elite" coming out of college.

DaneMcCloud 03-19-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9513701)
Oh quit it with the ****ing hindsight bullshit with Russell Wilson. He's so elite that 32 teams passed on him for 2 rounds.

And RGIII had flaws....just like Andrew Luck had a flaw or two.

Andrew Luck's only flaw is his speaking voice.

That dude is the most complete pocket passer to ever enter the NFL.

The Franchise 03-19-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9513704)
What about Cam Newton? He only set the rookie passing record in 2011, which was broken by Andrew Luck in 2012. Newton's already amassed 62 TD's in 32 games.

62 TD's in 32 games.
That's insane.

But, I forgot. No one is "elite" coming out of college.

Cam Newton had 1 year of starting experience and was a cocky asshole.

Nightfyre 03-19-2013 11:53 AM

Cam Newton was considered a REACH at number one back in the day. Damn. Dane is viewing history through tinted lenses.

mr. tegu 03-19-2013 11:54 AM

Some of these rookies are elite prospects, but they are not yet elite QBs.

The Franchise 03-19-2013 11:54 AM

Cam Newton was so elite that weeks before the draft.......Carolina kept getting mocked Nick Fairley or DaQuan Bowers.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-19-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9513701)
Oh quit it with the ****ing hindsight bullshit with Russell Wilson. He's so elite that 32 teams passed on him for 2 rounds.

And RGIII had flaws....just like Andrew Luck had a flaw or two.

This. I don't remeber seeing all these CP Nostradumbasses pining for Wilson last year. Yeah, there may have been a couple, but he wasn't some can't miss guy that the board was going gaga over.

The Franchise 03-19-2013 11:55 AM

Nevermind.....keep waiting for that elite QB to come out.

DaneMcCloud 03-19-2013 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9513712)
Cam Newton was so elite that weeks before the draft.......Carolina kept getting mocked Nick Fairley or DaQuan Bowers.

So, does that negate his rookie season? Does that negate the fact that he was taken #1 overall?

Mocks don't mean ****ing shit. You should know that by now.


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