Nobody even heard of this ****ing guy until right before the college season ended. I expect him to ****ing make blocks, big whoop

****ing Chippewas

Got their ass kicked by Ball ****ing State

That was the game that Fisher threw 3 picks wasn't it?

He did give up three ****ing sacks. Against Ball ****ing State. Von Miller is gonna rape him.

Is Fisher married or have a girlfriend?

Since when do "Good but not great" offensive linemen turn a franchise around?

I hope that isn't aimed at me. I said I anticipate he will be about like Albert.

He could be and should be. But so should a litany of other players that aren't. The incremental gain from Albert to Fisher can't be all that huge because Albert is pretty goddamned good.

I think he'll be OK. Probably a lot like John Tait. Solid, dependable guy. Hopefully he'll stay injury free. John Alt was a big guy like Fisher, and he had back trouble a lot in the latter years of his career.

True fans decide this, not actual facts.

It really isn't, there have been a couple of other straight up eyerollingly weepy comments coming from folks that are just looking to hear themselves bitch.

But let me ask you - apart from simply being pessimistic, what do you actually see in Eric Fisher the prospect that tells you he won't be better than Albert? I feel like many people such as yourself are tempering their expectations because they feel like that's the thing to do; afterall, players can bust. But don't you need to at least have a justification as to why you believe they will other than "well it's the NFL"? What doesn't Eric Fisher have in a LT?

The only thing I can see is a long list of game-film showing him beating on superior opponents. But man, if you saw his Senior Bowl tape and weren't impressed by what he did to some damn highly regarded lineman, I suggest you just weren't paying attention.

As to your last point, you win football games in the margins. The jump from a 90 rated tackle to a 95 rated tackle may only seem like a slight gain, but with the level of play being so high in the NFL, the different between a good and great player is quite stark.

There can absolutely be a huge gain from Albert to Fisher. Fisher would have to be a great player, but there's nothing that suggests he can't be.

This.

If he's a good but not great lineman, he's not going to turn this franchise around and he'll be nothing more than an Albert replacement.

He needs to be more than that. Asking for less is just a chickenshit defense mechanism to not be disappointed later.

It's pro-active homerism.

He needs to be Orlando Pace, which he wont be because that's a slim chance.

he will probably be more like Jake Long, play out his contract and then we bounce him for another 1st round oline draft pick in 5/6 years whatever the rookie contract lengths are now.

For giving a 1.1, he had better be a Pace/Roaf love child

I expect him to be great, a multiple pro bowler. I fully expect that and truly think it'll come to pass.

Quite honestly, I haven't been on CP much. I watched the first pick and watched some other crap with my wife. I figured it'd be a bunch of gushing vaginas and it sounds like it has been.

I haven't paid attention. But my beef isn't with Fisher as an LT, it's more dumping our good LT to piss off the 1.1 pick on someone who might be marginally better than our LT.


When you're as shitty as the chiefs were at CB, S, QB, DL, WR2, TE, ILB, it makes no sense to me to use 1.1 on a pick that might improve on your really good LT.

I think this was the best pick you could make without trading back. I expect the Chiefs to finish 2nd in the West this year...maybe third.

It WAS the best pick. People that are mad about it are just not being realistic. We'd all love to get to pick Andrew Luck, but that wasn't a possibility. All you can do is make the best decisions that are available to you.

I will say this, the season we played Jordan Black at left tackle was one of my least favorite to watch.

Every single drop back could have been a sack.

Also, Fisher doesnt appear to be nearly as "hairy" as Alt was. Thats a plus

I expect him to take the NFL by storm.
- Roger Goodell will start fining him for his excessive Pancake Block celebrations
- Conversely, NFL Network will show nothing but top 10 Pancake blocks celebrations.
- Cheerleaders will now swoon when the star Tackle eats an extra slice of pizza at lunch at their schools.
- He will singlehandedly make the word Tackle problematic because while he is a Tackle, he will eliminate all possibility of anybody else making a tackle. Firemen everywhere will be jealous, both from an etymological standpoint as well as a Eric Fisher is now getting ALL the poon standpoint.

And then the whole world will burn, when it is found out that he can play LEFT Tackle as well.

I expect him to poop candy.

Excellent post is excellent. 10/10, would read a third time.

Jon Baldwin might soon find out. I don't think he has the dime piece honey he had coming out of Pitt anymore.

He wasn't seen as the best tackle until about one day before the draft (when experts probably started hearing leaks the Chiefs would take him).. He'll be a decent starter but for 1.1 be disappointing overall.

If Baldwin could turn into a Joe Horn type receiver on the field, we would be in business.

Eric Fisher? pull your head outta your ass...

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Problem is, he's not even close to as fast as Horn was.

I'm very "meh" over the possibility of losing BA while drafting EF. I like the idea of keeping both if it happens.
A common ailment for big men are back problems. Not always career fatal but usually the sign that the peak has occured. BA has already missed a few games with that. Getting a stud to replace him even if he plays right tackle for a year is good insurance. If BA is fine next year then try and keep him around and your have BEAST bookends on the line, if not, then you have a replacement for him if he goes down. There are other needs on the team but after tying a record for not leading a minute in regulation for over 8 games I'm glad that they're doing something to improve the offense.

We have the 2nd most talent in the West. We damned well better finish 2nd...

Wrong we have the most talent in the West, except for one position

The most important one...

What position is that again?

I think Fish will be a multiple Pro Bowl left tackle from his rookie season onward. He is a superb pass blocker and he mauls in the run game with a nasty approach.

Did not want OT 1.1, but Fish will be a monster, mark my words.

Pro bowl by year two?

You mean go to NO and light it up with a real QB?

I'm not sure why people keep saying he needs to be a pro bowler to be considered a good draft pick.

He has to be better or measure up to anyone taken in the top 10. And Geno has to be worse than whatever QB we end up using in 3 years. That's it. It's not like we had a ton of surefire future pro bowlers sitting there at the #1 pick.

With the Albert issue, this pick has to be an ungodly upgrade or it will be like slamming your dick in the door with no payoff.

Why? That's silly. What was your alternative?

A long list of other offensive linemen? A bunch of DE/OLBs to sit in line with Hali and Houston? A QB who fell a full round? To trade down several spots to take a worse player and only get a 2nd rounder in return? The only two guys that could have made sense were Milliner and Tavon Austin. Let's not be ridiculous and suggest that the Chiefs had very many options to work with. Given the shitty options, Fisher was a good pick and if he's as good as Albert, that's fine.

Why not? The #1 overall pick you expect excellence not mediocrity. It's that easy, and it's the cruel truth.

No, the cruel truth is that this was a lackluster draft class. Again, what was your alternative? I laid them all out for you and they were no better than picking Fisher.

Dude, just stop with compromising BS. He has to be great or it was a lateral move, KC could've picked a premium Pass Rusher and you can only look no further than NYG program to get what they are worth through a 16 game season and playoffs. Which is one of the main reasons the Giants always shine in the postseason, because they always have fresh legs going after the QB with minimal dings because of that depth.

:LOL:

No it isn't, and only a ****ing moron like you would suggest using the #1 overall selection in the draft to select a player that doesn't improve the position he plays in any way is a fine use of the pick.

That is mind boggling stupid.

Top 10 RT his rookie year.

Top 10 LT next year

Top 5 LT the rest of his career.
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I expect him to be elite out of the gate.

anything else will disappoint me

however, watching the draft unfold...he was clearly the right pick

Nobody in the top 10 fits that bill. Except Geno Smith, who fell a full round and maybe Dee Milliner. The Chiefs had no good options. This was a fine bad option. At the very least, you can grab a decent 2014 pick out of Albert and save $5-6M a year.

I'm not compromising. I'm talking about the reality that you keep talking as if we had these unbelievable alternatives we missed out on. It was a shitty draft class. Nobody wanted to trade up and the only team that did gave up a measley 2nd rounder. I would have been fine with Dion Jordan, but you are reaching by getting pissy about not taking a visible upgrade over the current starter, then claiming that the guy we should have taken was a depth guy who could be a future starter.

look I think Branden Albert was a very serviceable tackle

but he did have a knack for being injured

he is getting older

and he is going to be expensive

and there is absolutely no reason to believe Fisher won't be an upgrade

Albert was good, but he certainly wasn't elite.

And for 1 year we'll have the best RT we've had since Tait...and he may even be better. That's not exciting but it's definitely an upgrade.

I don't give a rat's ass if Dee Millner is the only guy that fits that bill.

If he is, then that's the guy you draft, if you believe that Eric Fisher is Branden Albert's equal.

You don't use the #1 overall pick to ****ing stand pat.

The only way that Eric Fisher is a fine pick is if you believe he significantly upgrades the LT position.

If you believe that he doesn't then you simply pissed away the pick.

This is not a commentary on Eric Fisher, or an opinion of his potential.

This is a comment about the sheer ****ing stupidity of your post that I originally responded to.

You're a ****ing idiot.

I'm going to assume he can at least play at the level Eric Winston did last year: 3 sacks, 6 hits, 25 pressures.

Total pressure benchmark for Eric Fisher: 34.

Milkman,

If you honestly still believe Geno should have gone #1 when he went #39...

I don't know what to tell you.

I am not talking about geno Smith.

I am talking about a post that says that if our #1 overall pick plays at the same level as the guy he replaces, then it's a fine pick.

If that is all that is expected from that pick, then it's a waste of that pick.

If you believe that a guy like Millner, or Tavon Austin, for instance, or Sheldon Richardson significantly upgrades your team at their respective positions, and Eric Fisher doesn't, then you take one of those guys.

The smart move would have been to trade down and pick up Geno in the late teens or 20s.

Shit, that would have been masterful.

He's the #1 pick in the draft. He better f'ing own.

Wrong. This draft was rich in OL talent. The stuff that allows those skill players to use their skills.

Yeah. Maybe. Fact of the matter is, most of the QB needy teams passed on Geno twice.

That's telling.

The Chiefs aren't standing pat. They're getting 7 years younger at LT, potentially bringing in a lineman that more fits the attitude/scheme that Reid wants to run, and in the process might end up getting an extra pick and saving $5-6M which you can invest in somebody else. And with Fisher's upside, it's possible that you improved at the position.

Look, I would agree with you if there was a key skill position player in the top 10. Our choice was to find a younger replacement for Albert, draft a depth pass rusher, draft a QB one round too high, trade down and grab a crappy second rounder, or draft a non-elite CB who's had 5 surgeries. We made an average decision among a bunch of shitty scenarios.

This

They haven't played a down of football yet, so it's pretty presumptuous to say it is a shitty class. Plus, it's their job to find BAMF, like when teams passed on Russell Wilson. If the GM of the decade was worth his salt he would've noticed his talent and selected him with the 11th overall pick last year.

It's a shitty draft class. We don't have to see a down of football to know this.

I don't understand why Green Bay would be criticized for passing on Russell Wilson.

We haven't played a down of football so we have no idea if we passed/found BAMF. We know from the draft that the guys we thought were BAMF were apparently not viewed that way by scouts.

What? I'm referring to Scooter, and do you have Miss Cleo on speed dial to foresee how the 2013 season will play out ?

The 2013 class is going to be shitty. You don't have to be a fortune teller to see that. This isn't complicated. The correlation between how high you're drafted and how likely you are to succeed is stunningly high. If skill position players aren't getting drafted high, they are far less likely to succeed.

This is a shitty class. I'll repeat that again.

Wish Albert would suck it up and just move to RT.

That would be the very definiton of "bookend tackles".

Instead he's gonna whine like a bitch and get traded or leave next year.

Miami can F themselves.

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Thought it was worth noting that we haven't had to talk about Fisher once this preseason.

Cue gif.

People should be very thankful that we took Fisher instead of Joeckel. He was directly knocked on his ass at least twice last night. Once by Atkins and there by Johnson.
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Fisher whiffed badly on that club move but he's been solid thus far.

Schwartz has not disappointed either


Our run blocking really needs to improve though

Always like to see improvement but thankfully we have JC. He can find those creases and take what most backs would be lucky to get 2 yards on and consistently churn out 4-6. Throughout the course of an entire game he's likely to break at least one long-ish run as well.

Hmmmm....I believe I can claim some sort of front row seat on the Fisher bandwagon.

Though he clearly didn't hit my benchmarks in terms of progression. I didn't factor in his small-conference rough spots nearly enough and the injury really messed things up.

And ultimately, all draft picks are relative to their alternatives. Given the chaff available at the top of that draft, you have to see that pick as a success.

He's above average at this point. He looks really solid.

Fisher has become a solid LT, although unspectacular.

But, as many others in this thread have said, thank God we didn't draft Joke-all instead.

I think that is a pretty damn good summation. I concur! :clap:

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