It's funny, as much as people wanted to get rid of Carl Peterson. They are perfectly content to do the same exact moves that Carl Peterson has done or would do over his 20 years here.



If only we drafted Dan Marino or Jim Kelly instead of Todd Blackledge? :banghead:

How did Dawson **** us? 2 SB's and a win. Do you know anything about football except what is told to you on ESPN. :spock:

Sorry you couldn't get basic logic.

Dawson, being a retread and winning a super bowl let the owners of this team believe that doing it that way works and they have been chasing it ever since. Therefore ****ing us
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That is completely reeruned. ROFL So unless you are a Qb drafted by your team- you are a retread and you suck-? Wow. Hunt was old school- I don't think he ever valued the QB position.

I think the Blackledge embarrassment was the fianl blow- he was like I tried that and it failed- won't do that again- and he never did. Business men think like that- you try something and it fails- you don't do it. But football is more than a business though- lots of factors besides dollars and cents- that is something I don't think he ever grasped. He just left it up to others to say- hey this guy is good- sign the check.

Alex Eeyores. ROFL

So true and describes the general attitude about Alex around here perfectly.

usually I would take offense to that first remark, but coming from someone obviously born with the condition I can't complain about using it.

And why has out been the same through at least three regimes?

Only constant is the owners.

And I didn't say every retread sucks. Dawson won a super bowl, but like I said that ****ed us.

But I'm sure you will tell me how you were at a game once and that means something
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Most people here aren't "content" as you say. There are some Alex Smith ballwashers on CP, but there are also plenty of us (like myself) who also understand it's not like we were surrounded with options this offseason.

If we're still using Alex Smith 3 years from now, then shit. But as of now, what I see is that the Chiefs passed up on a lot of QBs that a lot of teams were really, really down on. I agree with people worried about the Chiefs actually believing Smith is the long-term guy. It's a different story to throw tantrums and suggest that the front office doesn't get it because we don't like their moves in one year when the options sucked.

when I see Alex Smith sign an extension before he plays a down, I'll be mad

until then I consider it the right move

So you would be ok if it happened week two?
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There have been more Super Bowl winning QBs who were acquired through trade or free agency (9) than who were taken in the top 10 picks of the draft by the team they took to a SB championship (7).*


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* This excludes John Elway and Eli Manning who both refused to play for the team that was in a position to draft them. If you count them, it's actually 11-7.

Why are you using top ten picks?

oh because that is what allows you try to make a point.

You lose
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No where in our back and forth did halfwit or myself even say a first round draft pick.

You lose
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A better comparison would be qb's who won a super bowl with the team that drafted them vs. qb's who were on their second, or more, team.
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Oh I am sorry everything is politically correct now except the hate you spew out. "Learning Impaired" is that better for your post instead of reeruned?

And sorry if you didn't like me talking about games in the past- there were a lot of fun years. My point was- I hope it becomes fun again. But for negative minded eeyores like you- it will Never be fun again no matter what the front office does. Anyone that is a little bit hopeful the chiefs have turned the corner from last years nightmare are Homer's and dumbasses. I am sure I am not the only tired of hearing you cry about Alex in EVERY SINGLE THREAD- We get it- you don't like him so STFU already.

dude you should probably take your own advice and shut the **** up now.

You know absolutely nothing about me, obviously from this post.

I think you throwing out that you were at the game is stupid because it means absolutely nothing, yet you think it Carries some weight.

I've been to quite a few games in my time and I can say that if yo thought the late seventies/early to mid eighties were great times you are a bigger dumbass than I previously thought
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Cassel didnt sign his extension until July 14, 2009.

I don't think they will do that with Alex, but who knows.

Did I say the 70's and 80's were great- saying arrowhead was a GHOST TOWN should have clued you in. I said suffering through that made the DT and the PH years a blast. Work on your readin' skillz. You are too busy calling people dumbasses then even caring what they have to say. Your opinion is KING- You are the CHIEFS expert of the board- Congrats. And others that have been going to games for 4 decades don't know shit.

JASON says Alex sucks, the Chiefs suck ect ect. So I guess we better just not even watch any games this year. Please let us know when they win the SB so we can jump back on the bandwagon with you. :thumb:

again you have me all wrong
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And its hard to read your dumbass posts.

Then, than. your you're

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Sentences that make absolutely no sense.

And again going to games doesn't man you know anything, so please quite acting like it does
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And I picked us to ten or eleven games, and I will watch every game and hope I'm wrong about Smith.

I feel like he will keep us mired in mediocrity.
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[QUOTE=JASONSAUTO;9690714]And its hard to read your dumbass posts.

Then, than. your you're

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Sentences that make absolutely no sense.

And again going to games doesn't man you know anything, so please quite acting like it does
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ROFL

It's a shame when fans of the same team can't even manage to be respectful to each other... regardless of their difference of opinion. Oh wellz...

It's a shame you breath.


Oh wellz...

[QUOTE=Halfcan;9690717]You missed a word, and you need to learn how to use the quote function.

[QUOTE=Halfcan;9690717]your dumbass didn't even catch all of it
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No, you lose. I used top 10 picks because any other pick is one that you could get to without being a really horrible team. Go 10-6 with a so-called game manager who can't get you to the Super Bowl and you're still in position where you can trade up to the 11-15 range.

But let's be more generous and expand the category to include all QBs taken in the first half of the 1st round. That adds Ben Roethlisberger. Now it's 9-8 in favor of QBs acquired via free agent or trade. Even if you expand the category to the entire 1st round, it only goes to 9-9 with the addition of Joe Flacco.

The bottom line is that it's a myth that teams have been more successful finding Super Bowl winning QBs by taking one in the first round than by getting them through other means. And it's definitely a myth that you have to have a bad record to be in position to find your QBotF.

The point of my post was that the retread route has succeeded more often than the top 10 route, based on historical results. Choke on it.

Which, as I've pointed out, hasn't prevented teams from finding Super Bowl winning QBs.

And it had nothing to do with the conversation. I still don't know why you posted it
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So? It may make the team quit looking for a qb.

Just like Carl and Scott.

I would have rather signed a guy like hasselback even without drafting someone. He could have won eight games and we wouldn't have to worry about him being here in three years. They would have had to keep looking
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And again none of this has anything to do with the conversation going on. You just came up with it out of no where
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Again find how many qb's with their original teams won a super bowl vs someone that has moved
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Alex Smith>Matt Hasselbeck.

By far

I don't agree with your choose-to-lose philosophy.

I agree. But we could be stuck with a mediocre guy for years with Smith
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Where was I choosing to lose?

8 wins is 8 wins
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You're digging pretty deep when you have to include lucky late rounders to make a (shaky at best) case against so-called retreads.

And with hasselbeck we still would have our two seconds to try get qb's
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no I'm not. I'm actually going by what the conversation was about.
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When you said you'd prefer to take Hasselbeck over Alex Smith even though you admit that Alex Smith is the better QB.

The conversation was about "retreads" and I put that into perspective. Unfortunately for you, that perspective exposes your dismissive attitude as misguided.

Isn't Hasselbeck about to be 40? Can the dude even start anymore?

actually that's not what I said. I said a guy like hasselbeck. He was an example.


But I think a guy like that could win as many games as Smith with our team this year. While having no chance to be stuck with him for years
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The conversation was about retreads vs guys on their original teams.

Not top ten guys, not first rounders.
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He was just a name. An example. You know an older qb who knows the system and can stop gap for a year or two
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Like I said, weak argument if your intention is to disparage retreads (as appears to be the case given that you started this by saying Len Dawson ****ed us).

No its not. Sorry you don't understand.

A guy with his first team is a guy with his first team. You can't leave that out because it doesn't make your point
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Baldwin to TE solves all QB woes

Well, Alex will get a chance to prove himself. The talent is there for 10-11 wins. Will he hold us back?

They played shitty for the wrong Smitty.

We've got Tyler Bray for that so we have both bases covered and Len Dawson didn't **** anyone.

Not a chance. He's perfect for this team. Accurate, high percentage passes, letting Charles and Bowe be the playmakers and keeping the ball out of the defenses hands.

Keeps the offense on the field and the defense fresh into the 4th quarter where Hali and Houston can just tee off on the QB.

Think about the fact that Houston and Hali got 10 and 9 sacks respectively in 2013 when they had to face a run oriented offense for the vast majority of the games they played in as the Chiefs were down and out of nearly every game by the first quarter.

If A. Smith does what he did the past two seasons in SF, that's more than enough to let our high-end playmakers be just that.

Again, we need to get over this "Alex keeps your defense fresh" bullshit.

The dude sucks on third down. He doesn't convert third downs. Get it through your THICK SKULL.

I think you are going to see a different set of parameters being established with A. Smith this next season, especially as it pertains to third down situations.

Shit, I don't think you'll even see a lot of third downs with Charles averaging 6+ ypc and Bowe leading the league in receptions.

However, I think that the potential of utilizing A. Smith in a quasi-spread/pistol system that is likely to be seen in 2013 will help with those previous third down numericals you are alluding to with regard to Smith's previous seasons.