double post

How many QBs do you think would walk away from the hit Alex took from Rocky Bernard in 2007 unscathed? He came through the o-line unblocked, 300 plus pounds at full speed, airborne, came down on top of Alex. I don't think you could realistically call any QB who took that hit "injury prone." (Of course, there's no way verify that. Just my opinion. But it was a monster hit.)

I don't really care about the specifics. Alex Smith has a documented history of missing a lot of games due to injury.

Until I see him started 16 full games for the Chiefs I won't back off this criticism.

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He's injury prone.

I like mayo, you like to gargle mayo. How's about we hook up. Win, win.

Something like 25 or 26 of those were 2007 and 2008 with the separated shoulder.

Injury prone in SF. Who cares? He has a different line and a running game now. Hopefully both will be productive enough to allow him to be productive.

That's bad.

Not really. 2007 and 2008 are an aberration. Other than the shoulder injury, he is pretty average.

How convenient of you to leave out Trent Green's 1999 season in which he missed the entire season of 16 games and the playoffs (which accounted for three more).

Without that missed season and Kurt Warner's subsequent performance, Green would not have been available, as he signed a four year deal in 1999.

So by my count, Green missed 27 games in his career in St. Louis and KC.

Your cherry-picking has reached new heights and the False Narrative lives on.

Injury prone.

1 injury makes him injury prone?

**** RGIII must have the plague.

You don't think missing 30 games due to injury in your career is injury prone?

Outside of one freak knee injury Trent Green was a very, very durable player I'd argue.

The exact opposite of Alex.

hmmm I cant wait til the season starts

The term for the day is confirmation bias. Can you use confirmation bias in a sentence?

From Chief Concerns

"During 2007 while playing against the Seattle Seahawks, Alex Smith was sacked by Seahawks’ defensive tackle Rocky Bernard. Smith suffered a Grade Three separation of his right shoulder – which happened to be his throwing arm . Team doctors determined that surgery would not be necessary. Smith was out for the next three games. After returning to the lineup on October 28, he managed to play until November 12th in which the 49ers were ironically playing the Seattle Seahawks again , Coach Mike Nolan determined that Alex Smith was not yet well enough to play. He was replaced by Trent Dilfer and was placed on injured reserve on December 11th to give the shoulder time to heal. After further review, it was determined by an orthopedic surgeon that the shoulder had not healed properly and Smith would have a surgery on his shoulder which ended his 2007 season.

"Alex Smith returned in 2008 and played in two preseason games as the 49ers second-string quarterback and on September 10, Smith was again placed on injured reserve after being diagnosed with a broken bone in his shoulder which was caused by a wire left in his shoulder during his earlier surgery ending his 2008 season."

http://chiefconcerns.com/quarterback...e-a-done-deal/

I just hope Alex Smith can stay healthy here.

He's been injured a lot in his career.

and that is a statement I can agree with that actually has allowed me to have respect for you. You are hopeful for our team.

Kudos. With cheese.

He was no more injury prone than Trent Green from 1999-2001. Green missed the entire season and was only needed in eight games in 2000. He clearly wasn't 100% in 2001 but played anyway.

Smith's throwing shoulder was injured, Nolan didn't believe it to be serious, which caused Smith to miss far more playing time than if it had been dealt with properly initially. The 49ers ****ed that up, not Smith.

The health issue that concerns me about Smith are concussions. Aikman and Young dealt with concussions later in their careers. Both saw their level of play deteriorate.

HOPE IS FOR LOSERS!

Green was only being counted on as a starting QB one of those years.

It's not the same thing.

Alex Smith has missed significant time in three of his NFL seasons. That is a lot.

What's convenient is to forget that Green's lost '99 season/'00 starting job was due to a pre-season cheap-shot that was about as low-down despicable as anything any of us have ever seen in the NFL. The guy went 5 years without missing a start here.

After Warner was injured, he started five games in 2000. He started 16 games for the Chiefs and clearly wasn't 100%, but he was able to play because it wasn't his throwing shoulder that injured.

If you listed multiple injuries that caused Smith to miss games, I'd agree that he was injury prone (much like Moeaki). But if you're claiming he missed games due to the injury to his shoulder, that's not the same.

An injury is an injury, regardless of how it occurred.

And I think that New England fans might have a different perspective as to the despicable nature of hits.

Two years of fighting concussions is a trend. A really, really bad one.

I know you wouldn't seriously try to compare a pre-season bounty-style hit like Harrison's to a live-game hit in the middle of a pile like Pollard's. You're just being contrary. Boring day at work?

OK.

30 games is a lot.

All I care about.

Trying to argue he hasn't missed a lot of games due to injury is pretty flimsy, and just sheer homerism.

Isn't it due to the same injury?

Yes

:D

In fairness to Alex, some of that is just being benched in favor of other players.

And 30 of them aren't.

I think last season was more of Harbaugh just wanting his guy to play.

Fixed.

Don't care.

30/86

The good news he misses a game due to injury more often than he completes a deep pass.

You act like there were 30 different injuries.

It doesn't matter why.

He misses games.

You can't win a SB with your QB missing a lot of games.

Shit, you'd probably miss the playoffs with our backup QB situation.

Well, at least you're coming up with new material.

You don't care?

ROFL

And the False Narrative rides on!

You continue to treat true facts as false in some way.

It's really sad.

And you continue to skew facts to fit your False Narrative

*shrug*

Alex Smith gets hurt.

That's not a good mix with him running the ball 100 times a year.

Alex Smith got hurt. It wasn't handled properly. It lingered for longer than it should have.

End of story.

2009+, after he had his shoulder injury corrected, he's never been rated lower than 80 and his rating has increased every season, especially arrival of Roman and Harbaugh. He's won playoff games and would have been a super bowl QB year before last, except his team turned the ball over twice on special teams.

Are we Chiefs fans so used to a high standard of quarterbacking that we would sneeze at someone who posted 90 and 100 ratings the last two years?

I don't think anybody expects him to be Tom Brady, but I expect Alex Smith to be as good as Trent Green was for us. There might be some room for development in his game as well, after all, Green wasn't a #1 overall. Andy Reid is good enough to get to the Super Bowl and I think Alex Smith is too, if the roster becomes talented. That isn't an overnight process.

We should have a much improved team this year and after the smoldering wreck Pioli left behind I don't know what more we could ask for in year one.

Just ignore the concussion, sure.

Why ignore the fact that Trent Green actually threw the ball down the field, and Alex Smith does not?

Wishful thinking to think he will ever be as good as Green.

Whoa, a Cochise sighting.

If Smith can put up the efficiency he did in SF under Harbaugh, here in Andy Reid's offense, the numbers will be there.


And we'll be excited.


However, simply using the numbers (QBR, etc) of the last 2 years is a little misleading. It wasn't in a similar offense to what he's going to run here under Andy Reid so while it is encouraging, it doesn't really tell the whole story.

And IMO, I don't think most who are worried about the injury history are that worried about the shoulder, it shouldn't be a problem.

It's the concussions that are scary. Especially if we have him in the pistol running around alot.

" I cant throw downfield accurately , I suck on 3rd down so we have to come up with a gimmick based system to overcome my weaknesses"

Alexandra SMiff

:rolleyes:

Didn't I mention this already? Oh that's right, yes I did.

And concussions don't mean someone is injury prone.

Good grief.

He has one more than Aaron Rodgers. RODGERS HAS A CONCUSSION PROBLEM!

Don't concussions mean that someone is concussion prone? Isn't it true if you get concussions you have to be very careful and the risk for the number and severity of the concussions increases?

I really don't know I am just asking

IIRC, he's had 2 concussions, pair that with the fact that studies are starting to show that concussions are more additive than once thought.


Concussion 3 might completely scramble his brain.

Err, not having to throw the ball?

IMO, as I stated earlier, the biggest issue with Alex Smith are the concussion issues. I don't care about his shoulder, as he's been very accurate since 2011. But the concussions do worry me, especially with the NFL's new stance on concussions.

As to your question, I really don't know the exact answer. All I do know is that brain injuries are never a good thing.

I just did a Google search and all I can find is one concussion that occurred last season.

Can anyone verify that it was his second?

IIRC, once you have neuro trauma (concussion) you're at more risk to have symptoms and even have symptoms again with less contact.

I'm not sure, it's been a year or two but I will see if I can find some of the articles. They were/are doing some really cool stuff at KU Med on concussions, IIRC.

September of '11 he had one.

Let's just get to the fucking season and see what we got! These 8,000 threads of "we do" or "we don't" is passed the point of fun or a new discussion. Beaten to death with a big wooden stick.

Thanks, Dave.

Yeah, that has to be a little worrisome.

I recall reading something to that affect but I can't comment definitively.

It's actually pretty terrifying. It's a reason I'm not really fond of putting the guy in the pistol a whole lot.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the NFL go to a "3 concussions and you're done" type rule in the near future.

It's a shame. Gochiefs actually has some raw talent and could be a very positive of member of this community. Sadly, instead of developing those talents he instead chooses to be lazy and continue on with his trolling shtick.

Seems the 1st one was very minor.

I'll worry if it happens this season.

And, if it does, all the Mizzou tards will have a booger-eating circle-jerk.

yes, ok everyone stop posting till August on 1!




BREAK!



HUT 1

There really is no such thing as a "minor" concussion.

His grandparents just took away his directv from the basement as punishment for this.

Hopefully when the season starts he will be allowed out.

I don't have a link, but it's absolutely correct.

Hell, I can personally verify it. I've lived it.

We should reminisce about your Cassel love. :)

IIRC, a single concussion puts you are risk for a second one and the percentage is actually pretty high that another one will occur. Not only that, symptoms and effects of successive concussions are additive and are almost set on a multiplier scale.


Again, I'm just referring form memory, but once you have a single concussion, you are at a much higher risk to get a second concussion that will be more severe and can likely occur with less impact than the first.

I'd say not losing consciousness may classify as mild/minor.

You're an idiot. I was a key member of SOC and put my talents to use.

The fact that I hate Alex Smith doesn't change that.

And I'm not trolling.

He missed 16 of them because the surgeon ****ed up the first time. Can't blame those on being injury prone.

sure, show me one quote where I said anything unreasonable regarding cassel.....

and I'll be waiting...

I've faced down girthier men than you, sally.

Come at me with a quote bro.

Well, not really.


It's the after effects that are the concern and at this point, the NFL, IIRC, doesn't care about mild vs severe.

Look at Seau for instance. I dont' exactly remember if I'm remembering this right, but I don't think he was ever actually diagnosed with a concussion when it occured and I dont' think he ever lost consciousness.

Previous concussion – According to prospective studies involving thousands of athletes, a history of concussion substantially increases the risk of recurrence and prolonged recovery from subsequent injury.

Patients with unresolved symptoms from a prior injury appear to be at greatest risk; recurrent injury is most likely to occur within the first 10 days after the initial injury.

citations:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14625331
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12960905
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22144000
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14625331
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11032218
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12466687

n c b i . n l m . n i h . g o v /

All of your posts in 2010. Love fest. :)

SOC is where you showed your talent the most. But instead of spring boarding from that experience you have gone back to being the gochiefs that everyone associates you as being.

You most certainly are trolling. If you simply brought up your concern about the concussions no one would argue with you. But then, that wouldn't be any fun for you. So you twist facts, ignore others and make it about Smith being injury prone in general versus concussion prone. Trolling.

Again, I'm no specialist in neuroscience or neuroanatomy and I'm going strictly off memory with no sources, so take it with a grain of salt.

:spock:

What the hell do you expect me to do? It's the offseason. Sorry if I'm not farting rainbows enough for your tastes.

LMAO

OK. This is a legit criticism of Alex based on this idea that he may now be running a read option offense. The fact you can't see that is laughable.