I can't remember all the circumstances around why discount double check fell, but it wasn't because teams were avoiding him, like they avoided Geno. GB was fortunate to get him and when he was sitting there, they snatched him up.

why do you care so much about Geno?

ROFL Did you even post here this offseason??????

yah, I know all the hype but he's not at kc so why care? I've said this over and over here, I'd take Bray over Geno Smith. That's about the highest compliment I can pay your organization for doing the right thing during the draft.

Look at all my posts on Bray. Go ahead, make my day.

Chargers are ranked @ 26. ROFL

People still create alternate univeres here where Sanchez was the QB...it is weird, but I understand SNR's love of the Choco Penii. Many of us did a lot of research on him this offseason.

That's some strong sauce, Sally. Damn I feel humbled!

Geno is gone. Time to move on.

LMAO

What you're really trying to say.

Why do you hate him so much? See? I can ask empty questions, too.

And oh, how disappointed he will be as Geno continues to be part of life around here.

ROFL

Did you see him pouting during the draft, like a little girl who's lollipop was stolen? Talk about a prima donna assclown! When adversity hits, that is when you see the true character of a person. The draft was a great omen as to how Geno Smith deals with adversity. He failed.

Wow, what am I saying, I actually wish Geno Smith was your QB!

Pretty much.

I mean, I liked him. He's not a Chief, so I no longer give a shit.

He's no Assweiler!

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...5&postcount=17


<B>Pioli stopped by our tailgate group today and spent about 30 minutes just talking with us</B>. Apparently he does this on a regular basis with this group we were hanging out with today but this was the first time I have seen him. Just to be clear, I am all for the "firing Pioli" movement but today's visit shed a different light on the whole situation. First off, Pioli is genuinely a nice guy. All BS aside he is just like any of us. Was really candid during his visits and spoke very frank and freely. Went onto say that he does not regret passing on Russell Wilson. His biggest concern was size and durability. Says that jury is still out on whether he will prove to be a legit NFL quarterback. <B>He then said that if there was one thing he has regretted since being here it would be passing up on Andy Dalton.</B>

You wouldn't cry over losing millions of dollars over a few hours?

:LOL: Yeah, that fat sack of scungilli-eating shit can't even "lay hands" on his micro-penis. **** him.

You can't lose money that you've never earned

I love when some of you bitch about 9ers fans coming here, yet you guys pine over a player the Chiefs didn't draft.

Comical.

Yeah, there's just NO reason to be upset about the Chiefs passing on a QB.

No reason at all.

Moron.

he should have done that in his hotel room when he was alone. I wish he was your QB.

LMAO The entire league passed on him.

Yeah, we're really pining over Geno right now.

:spock:

Do you remember the Sanchez debate of 2009? Hell, we're STILL talking about that douchebagged ****er on this goddamn forum.

Let me know if the Geno talk is insufferable in 2017. Otherwise, stuff it.

And as I pointed out to Dane, we're going to find out just how "right" he and those teams really are, aren't we?

If you want to lie to yourself and pretend that the RGIII/Luck-hangover didn't hurt this class, be my guest. I will enjoy watching both you and McDouche Of The Year eat a big, choco-shitsandwich.:D

So bitter...

My team drafted a RT at #1 overall who's not even all that special of a player.

You're goddamn ****ing right I'm bitter.

But...but...but..THE PROCESS! TRUST IT!

You are forgetting that I actually wanted the Chiefs to draft him.

I completely lost interest when THE ENTIRE ****ING LEAGUE PASSED ON HIM.

Never mind them it's all Carl Petersons fault for passing on Dan Marino and taking Todd Blackledge. True fans are still hung over, over Todd Blackledge. It's the Todd Blackledge curse.

Quitter.

:shake:

The entire league passed on Drew Brees, too. It happens. You can't ever tell what a guy is until games are played. Kind of like how we won't know whether Fisher over Joeckel over Johnson over Cooper over Warmack over Fluker was the right move for a few years. Because you can't actually win anything on draft day.

I'm pacing myself, sir.

The league passed on Brees due to his height and his play in the Spread.

The league passed on Geno Smith because of his lack of leadership skills, lack of charisma and lack of maturity.

According to the league, those were reason enough to pass on him in the first round. That doesn't mean that he won't develop into an average to above average QB.

What does that prove anyways? Teams passed over Tom Brady into the 6th round so what does that say about teams evaluations?

The truth is NOBODY knows until they play the game on any player, it's all the best guess work they got.

YOU HAVE NO ****ING CLUE WHAT ERIC FISHER WILL DO IN HIS CAREER.

:)

Right. Tackle.

#1 overall.

Cute. Really ****ing funny. Haha.

and he's a significant upgrade over joe webb, so that's how bad it was

LMAO Okay

Waaay too early to say Fisher is no great shakes.

You can keep saying this, but I'm sure they had every intention of trading Albert. Or, maybe not. Who knows?

But, go ahead and stay mad about it. It will change, I'm sure...

Yeah, everybody that's dropped to the sixth round is Tom Brady.

Five offensive linemen in the Top Ten.

Three defensive linemen in the Top Ten.

One cornerback in the Top Ten.

One WR in the Top Ten.

This isn't an issue with the teams selecting the players, it's the fact that these players graded out higher than other players, regardless of position.

Absolutely none of that is relevant. You're getting caught up in minutia. The point is the drop, not why the drop happened. Time proved that the league was wrong to pass on Brees, for whatever reason (and I was wrong personally, about him; I never thought he would thrive in the NFL). And they may have been wrong about Smith as well. Or they may not. There's absolutely no way of knowing either way at this point.

Simply put, if Smith becomes a good player, then the teams that didn't select him before the Jets, whatever their reasoning for it, made a mistake.

Same for us, re: Fisher. If he's a 10 year starter with a couple of pro bowls, and Joeckel is a hall of famer, we ****ed up. If it's the other way around, then we didn't.

In the end, a lot of people have it backwards: a player is not defined by where he's picked. Rather, the pick is defined by how the player performs. As I said before, you can't win anything on draft day.

That WR would be nice to have right now.

At this point in time, it is relevant. It just happened a few months ago. These guys haven't yet played a pre-season game, let alone, a regular season game.

The reason why players were passed over or taken where they were taken will matter until they've actually started and played in the league. Once they've proven they belong, they'll be rewarded. If they don't, they'll be cut.

But as of today, why a guy slipped or didn't slipped is relevant.

The draft is an educated guess. A guess based on research, behavior, performance on the field, work ethic and other intangibles. Given the recent success of other second round QB's (Dalton and Kaepernick), Smith may thrive in the NFL. But for whatever reason, NFL front offices didn't feel he was worthy of a first round pick.

At this point in time, that's all that matters is that Smith wasn't deemed worthy of a first round pick.

.

Sorry, but no, it's not relevant in any way, shape or form to the point that I was making.

As you mention yourself in your next paragraph: For whatever reason, NFL front offices didn't feel he was worthy of a first round pick. That's a comment which would be just as valid for Drew Brees as it was for Geno Smith. It doesn't matter 'why' they thought that, only that they did. And later on, he proved them wrong. Which Geno Smith might do, too. Or he might not.

In any case, Smith isn't defined by the 39th pick any more than Brees was defined by the 32nd, or Mark Sanchez was defined by the 5th, or Tim Tebow by the 25th, or Joe Montana by the 82nd. I know you want him to be, because you're tired of hearing his name, but players' values are proven on the field, not on the podium.

I'm sorry, I disagree.

Not only does it matter where guys were chosen because of their contracts, it also matters because of expectations.

Teams expect first round players to perform like first round players. They don't expect sixth round players to perform like first round players.

There are built-in expectations for each and every player drafted. Whether they fail to meet those expectations or exceed them remains to be seen.

You're a ****ing moron.

Why would I care about any player not drafted by the Chiefs?

You've jumped the Shark Sandwich.

And what I'm saying is that failing to meet those expectations, or exceeding them, is ultimately what defines the value of a draft pick.

It's pretty simple, you're taking the fact that Geno Smith was drafted 39th (a whopping 7 picks later than Drew Brees...) as a justification for writing him off as a player. Which you are clearly doing when you posit he might at best become an "average to above average player". You're defining him by the position in which he was drafted.

Whereas I'm saying there's little to no point in quantifying a player now.

If, in say 5 years, Smith's bagging groceries at Kroger, then I will certainly agree with the "whew we dodged a bullet there!" sentiment. Similarly, if he's one of, say, the top 10 QBs in the league, I'll probably think something along the lines of "man, I wish we had that guy".

In any event, all I can really think right now is "man, I wish we hadn't traded those picks for Alex Smith, because I don't think he's proven himself to be anything more than a complementary player reliant upon those around him, rather than a leader capable of elevating the play of his team mates" on one hand and "I wonder how Tyler Bray will turn out, probably nothing" on the other, with the occasional distant wonder at how Geno Smith is doing with the Jets.

(And I hate the Jets, so I have definite mixed feelings there. Part of me hopes he continues the Sanchez bomb trend so that team can stay in the sewers.)

exactly, otherwise, what's the point of having the #1 pick if it doesn't matter where a player is picked? Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but there's a reason teams are alloted draft slots based on the previous season's performance. It gives a losing franchise a much better chance to bring talent in when you have "first pick" or first dibs on talent. This is just basic math. There are always going to be players who exceed expectations (Joe Montana was drafted in the 3rd round I believe) and players who dissappoint based on where they were drafted (Blackledge). But going INTO a draft, a team can only take they players it feels gives the the best opportunity to win.

I only care about how well Alex Smith plays. I dont care one bit how Geno Smith plays.

I'm more interested in Smith than Smith.

Of course. But today, we don't have the benefit of hindsight. All we have are the scouting reports and draft positions.

Wait just a second: How is saying that he might become an average to above average player "writing him off"? How many second round QB's have become exceptional players in NFL history?

With a bust rate of 50% or more, I'd say that "average to above average" is a compliment.

So, everyone's at zero? No one should have any expectations for Eric Fisher or Knile Davis or even Geno Smith?

Again, I disagree. There are expectations based on draft position. You expect the number one overall pick to excel. You expect the #10 overall pick to excel. That's why they were chosen where they were chosen.

I really don't care about that, at all. I didn't view Smith as an NFL ready prospect and neither did 31 other teams at least once. If he develops into an average to above average QB, good for him. But his career, at this point time, has absolutely no bearing on the 2013 Chiefs.

And that's all I really care about.

And I don't really care about the "picks". First off, the Chiefs were bound to use a draft choice on a QB. From my point of view, they did that - they used one draft choice on a QB. They used a future draft choice for the right to get the QB they wanted.

I have no idea whether it works or not. But I can guarantee that I won't spend one minute thinking about Geno Smith or lament the Chiefs passing on him if he becomes more than a serviceable NFL QB.

At this point I wouldn't automatically put Denver over Houston. They did go into Denver and beat them last year.

As a whole, Houston is just as talented as any team in the AFC. Of course Schaub needs to to step it up in the playoffs, like Dalton.

I think the Bengals and Texans will be among the AFC's elite. Wouldn't be surprised to see those 2 and the Broncos with the top 3 seeds.

According to BET it was only because hes black
http://www.bet.com/news/sports/2013/...-syndrome.html
Can you believe this race Victim BS?

And to think that the Cheating Donx were in shambles 3 seasons ago. If you know what you're doing you can turn things around quickly. I think we now know that Elway is much better at running things than Fat Scott was...

Without Manning hes no better than Scott so far.

Worse.

People still pissed off that Geno Smith wasn't taken number 1 overall?
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And to think that the Cheating Donx were in shambles 3 seasons ago. If you know what you're doing you can turn things around quickly. I think we now know that Elway is much better at running things than Fat Scott was...

That's about the most uninformed commentary I've read as to why Smith dropped. And to imply (if not outright state) that Russell Wilson dropped because he was black? What?

He dropped because he is 5'11, not because he was black. That guy knows nothing about football.

They signed a HOF QB off the scrap heap. Nothing but "Luck".

Wait. What? Cam Newton's not black?

Probably why RGIII fell all the way to pick 2...

And Cam Newton fell to #1.

Silly.

Bob Dole has seen no tangible evidence to support the "turnaround" reported in the OP.

the donko's impending fall from grace is gonna be EPIC............

I don't remember Scott having a playoff win.

In his first year.

Gotta hang on to something I guess

yah winning, something you wouldn't understand.

Winning one playoff game in what, 15 years, and now you're "winners"? Okay.

Edit: 2 in 15 years. NFL's elite for sure.

It amazes me how Bronco fans can try to talk shit to us about the playoffs.

You're 2-6 in the playoffs since Elway retired and you act like you're the shit. You have almost 3x as many blowout playoff losses than wins in that time.

The only reason you didn't get blown out against Baltimore was because your returner had 2 amazing TD returns.

So keep banging that drum, I guess.

24th best QB

24th best team