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Dave Lane 08-02-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9852906)
Luke Joeckel impressing

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/8/...p-luke-joeckel
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HOLY CRAP. Back to back RTs taken #1 and #2.

Brock 08-02-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9853062)
Move him to LT, move Albert to Guard and put Stephenson or Schwartz at RT. Or swap Fisher with Albert and see how that works. If the reports of Fisher's upside are correct, he'll be fine at RT in time.

Yeah, because if he sucks at rt, we should replace a perfectly fine lt with him. Jfc

Ace Gunner 08-02-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9852966)
So he's got poor "muscle memory."

I get it.

It also explains why we drafted him...

no, I don't agree. he doesn't have it down. doesn't have the position down. doesn't have the blocking scheme down. doesn't have any "muscle memory".

It really is a different position compared with LT because there tends to be a lot of double blocking and blocking down from that side, so he has completely different assignments compared with just dancing with an RDE all the time.


but it doesn't matter, this season -- not for Fisher's eval. They aren't keeping Albert. I don't see anything in the way Albert talks or Dorsey/Reid talk about Albert that says "we're going to do our best to resign this player".

Fisher is going to play LT 2014.

ToxSocks 08-02-2013 02:41 PM

What the apologists aren't saying:

If the guy needed that much work and time to get up to speed....then maybe he shouldn't have been drafted #1 overall.

I spent an entire offseason listening to people preach to me about how #1 overall picks are supposed to be polished and ready to start from day one.....

ToxSocks 08-02-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9853330)
no, I don't agree. he doesn't have it down. doesn't have the position down. doesn't have the blocking scheme down. doesn't have any "muscle memory".

It really is a different position compared with LT because there tends to be a lot of double blocking and blocking down from that side, so he has completely different assignments compared with just dancing with an RDE all the time.


but it doesn't matter, this season -- not for Fisher's eval. They aren't keeping Albert. I don't see anything in the way Albert talks or Dorsey/Reid talk about Albert that says "we're going to do our best to resign this player".

Fisher is going to play LT 2014.

Yeah that's great and all....except these are 1v1 drills he's getting his ass kicked in. Not a RT drill....a 1v1 drill. He's getting pushed around by scrubs in 1v1 practice drills.

That has nothing to do with "muscle memory" or knowing the scheme or his blocking assignments.

And they BETTER evaluate Fisher this year. What kind of reerun wouldn't evaluate a player's first year in the NFL?

Halfcan 08-02-2013 02:47 PM

I bet Fisher's check has cleared by now-lol

Marcellus 08-02-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9853337)
Yeah that's great and all....except these are 1v1 drills he's getting his ass kicked in. Not a RT drill....a 1v1 drill. He's getting pushed around by scrubs in 1v1 practice drills.

That has nothing to do with "muscle memory" or knowing the scheme or his blocking assignments.

And they BETTER evaluate Fisher this year. What kind of reerun wouldn't evaluate a player's first year in the NFL?

You do realize there have been positive reports too right? Yea he has taken some beatings but he has also held his own against Hali and Houston at times.

ToxSocks 08-02-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9853353)
You do realize there have been positive reports too right? Yea he has taken some beatings but he has also held his own against Hali and Houston at times.

I've read every single tweet and report since OTA's, im fully aware of the few positive reports that have come out.

I'm not going to write the guy off or declare him a bust or anything stupid like that....but like i said, most people's reasoning for wanting a RT #1 overall was because he was polished and ready to go.....

He's been anything but that according to reports.

Right now we're hoping he figures out how not get blown up by 5th round Jaguar castoffs.

O.city 08-02-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9853334)
What the apologists aren't saying:

If the guy needed that much work and time to get up to speed....then maybe he shouldn't have been drafted #1 overall.

I spent an entire offseason listening to people preach to me about how #1 overall picks are supposed to be polished and ready to start from day one.....

This.


By year 2 or 3, he needs to be top 5 at his position, wherever that is, for that pick to be justified.


However, in the end, I wouldn't get to worked up about it at this point.

If you've ever been in a practice setting like that, sometimes people get the best of you. 1 on 1 drills and the such, it happens.

Ace Gunner 08-02-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9853337)
Yeah that's great and all....except these are 1v1 drills he's getting his ass kicked in. Not a RT drill....a 1v1 drill. He's getting pushed around by scrubs in 1v1 practice drills.

That has nothing to do with "muscle memory" or knowing the scheme or his blocking assignments.

And they BETTER evaluate Fisher this year. What kind of reerun wouldn't evaluate a player's first year in the NFL?

I don't think you understand the situation. They aren't bringing Albert back.

As for Fisher getting his clock cleaned 1 on 1 -- you make it seem like they are MMA and Fisher is sliced meat. Those drills are very specific in terms of technique -- that is what/why they drill and as I said, Fisher seems to be having technique problems. Somebody brought up his punch -- different arm punching now.

let them play a real scrimmage before you fly off the handle. He's a pretty good football player. he wasn't my first choice either, so I'm not coming to his defense like some homer.

Dave Lane 08-02-2013 03:42 PM

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Jacksonville Jaguars felt the offensive tackle was a position worth addressing when they drafted Luke Joeckel with the second-overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. The right tackle position for the Jaguars in 2012 was a big area of weakness, and so far through five days of training camp, Luke Joeckel has been as good as advertised at the right tackle position.
This is insane...

9er guy 08-02-2013 03:50 PM

If Eric Fisher struggles you're looking at a 5 win season.

RealSNR 08-02-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9853491)
If Eric Fisher struggles you're looking at a 5 win season.

Wut LMAO

FlaChief58 08-02-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9853505)
Wut LMAO

Cause the NFL is a RT driven league

Dave Lane 08-02-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9853491)
If Eric Fisher struggles you're looking at a 5 win season.

Because Smiff freaks out with any pressure / coils into fetal position or?

9er guy 08-02-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 9853520)
Cause the NFL is a RT driven league

It's a QB driven league. And seeing how your QB is left-handed, that's his blindside. Alex already can't handle pressure in the pocket. He'll take sacks without much of a fight. He got sacked 9 times when we played the Ravens in 2011. You can't win games if Smitty's on his back.

Sorter 08-02-2013 04:07 PM

I fail to see how a RT really impacts the win total, when you assist via back/TE protections.

Sorter 08-02-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9853530)
It's a QB driven league. And seeing how your QB is left-handed, that's his blindside. Alex already can't handle pressure in the pocket. He'll take sacks without much of a fight. He got sacked 9 times when we played the Ravens in 2011. You can't win games if Smitty's on his back.

None of our quarterbacks are southpaws.

9er guy 08-02-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9853521)
Because Smiff freaks out with any pressure / coils into fetal position or?

Yup. He'll turn that shoulder, tuck that ball, (sometimes) and lay it down.

And seeing how your offense isn't the most explosive thing around, you wanna make sure you stay on schedule.

9er guy 08-02-2013 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9853533)
None of our quarterbacks are southpaws.

Damn. **** me. I courteously rescind my comments.

FlaChief58 08-02-2013 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9853530)
It's a QB driven league.


No shit?

FlaChief58 08-02-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9853533)
None of our quarterbacks are southpaws.

LMAO

9er guy 08-02-2013 04:15 PM

<----------------Who's the goose?

Easy 6 08-02-2013 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9852830)
Why is the sky blue?

How does the posi-track on a plymouth work? nobody knows... it just does.

FlaChief58 08-02-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9853557)
How does the posi-track on a plymouth work? nobody knows... it just does.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/6qgREMBTE28" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



I sooooooo want her :drool:

Easy 6 08-02-2013 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 9853574)
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/6qgREMBTE28" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



I sooooooo want her :drool:

If you havent yet watched The Wrestler, do yourself a big favor...

9er guy 08-02-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9853578)
If you havent yet watched The Wrestler, do yourself a big favor...

Oh yea.....she could get it.

TribalElder 08-02-2013 04:40 PM

http://emotibot.net/pix/4226.jpg

Cannibal 08-02-2013 04:51 PM

In my opinion, Fisher is going to be great player for many years, but it does suck for him that has to switch positions right off the bat. Then when Albert walks next year, he'll have to switch positions again. Shitty way to start your career.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-02-2013 05:32 PM

JFC. One of these what if threads was bad enough

baitism 08-02-2013 05:39 PM

One dude was playing against SEC dudes, the other was slumming it up against the MAC. Is anyone surprised he is initially struggling?

OrtonsPiercedTaint 08-02-2013 05:42 PM

Alex Smith is getting injured, no matter what, any way. Does anyone other than the famous gif people care if he does?

the Talking Can 08-02-2013 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9853334)
What the apologists aren't saying:

If the guy needed that much work and time to get up to speed....then maybe he shouldn't have been drafted #1 overall.

I spent an entire offseason listening to people preach to me about how #1 overall picks are supposed to be polished and ready to start from day one.....

that only applies to QBs, and only because chiefs fans are pussies who think it is 'too risky' to draft QBs...

RT...well, he can have several years to learn his position...because drafting OL is 'safe'...

to simplify:

QB struggling: proof he wasn't worth the pick

RT struggling: proof QB wasn't worth the pick

tecumseh 08-02-2013 05:46 PM

Into the fire for those big dollars. I'm sure Fisher will pull it together. I believe he has the "nasty".

tecumseh 08-02-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9853766)
that only applies to QBs, and only because chiefs fans are pussies who think it is 'too risky' to draft QBs...

RT...well, he can have several years to learn his position...because drafting OL is 'safe'...

to simplify:

QB struggling: proof he wasn't worth the pick

RT struggling: proof QB wasn't worth the pick

Hey talking penis, go lick your ball-less ball sack.

Titty Meat 08-02-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tecumseh (Post 9853780)
Hey talking penis, go lick your ball-less ball sack.

**** you get sodomized chris stevens style you cock gagging true fan

9er guy 08-02-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9853784)
**** you get sodomized chris stevens style you cock gagging true fan

winner!:clap:

tecumseh 08-02-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9853784)
**** you get sodomized chris stevens style you cock gagging true fan

Sorry ,did I disturb your vicious 69 with your flaccid hemoroid?

Psyko Tek 08-03-2013 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9852560)
Who replaces him there? Stephenson, Schwartz, Allen???

I know he's a rookie, but from what I've been hearing is that he's been struggling in 1on1 drills etc. I know he's switching sides which can be a factor, esp at that high of a level expecting to do as well as you would from your strong side. But should an overall#1 pick be struggling like this, esp at an important position to where he kinda has to be thrown to the wolves early?

And if he ends up having a shitty season. Does this team invest in another tackle early in the draft again next season or go FA? That would drive this board ****in nuts LOL.

really?
what if the moon land in arrowhead on opening day?
or a meteor strike at training camp?
you have waaaaaaay to much time on your hands
worry when worry is do..
panic when it's too late to fix things

get a beer calm down
K

TribalElder 08-03-2013 08:01 AM

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_im...931/fisher.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQrxbskCIAASdPz.jpg

Dave Lane 08-03-2013 08:26 AM

Great just ****ing great.

L.A. Chieffan 08-03-2013 09:01 AM

When's the last time a lineman from the Mid American Conference taken first overall busted? I can't remember any. Relax people.

BlackHelicopters 08-03-2013 11:24 AM

What if John Alt came out of retirement?

Pasta Little Brioni 08-03-2013 11:32 AM

We sat through 40 turnovers and 2 wins for a ****ing right tackle. It still messes with my mind.

RealSNR 08-03-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tecumseh (Post 9853780)
Hey talking penis, go lick your ball-less ball sack.

You seem upset

BigMeatballDave 08-03-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9855587)
We sat through 40 turnovers and 2 wins for a ****ing right tackle. It still messes with my mind.

Eh, I was over it before it happened.

We all like to pretend to know what is going on around draft time. We do not.

Rausch 08-03-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9855587)
We sat through 40 turnovers and 2 wins for a ****ing right tackle. It still messes with my mind.

That's pretty much how I feel.

the Talking Can 08-03-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tecumseh (Post 9853780)
Hey talking penis, go lick your ball-less ball sack.

Cassel made you wear a Tom Brady mask before giving it to you, didn't he?

BigMeatballDave 08-03-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9855288)
Great just ****ing great.

Your vagina is weeping.

Relax, it's training camp.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-03-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave (Post 9855603)
Eh, I was over it before it happened.

We all like to pretend to know what is going on around draft time. We do not.

I get what you are saying, but it's bullshit that the year before once in a generation QB's are available and the year we pick first there is jack and shit. Life of a KC fan.

RealSNR 08-03-2013 11:41 AM

Maybe if Fisher works really hard, he will one day be able to block the Austen Lanes of the NFL.

the Talking Can 08-03-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9855587)
We sat through 40 turnovers and 2 wins for a ****ing right tackle. It still messes with my mind.

drafting a RT with the #1 pick in the draft is one of the dumbest, most pointless things to ever happen in the NFL...soul destroying


for a franchise mired in decades of failure, that hadn't drafted a QB in 30 years, it is so epically ****ing stupid and cowardly that there is no language to even accurately describe it..

Rausch 08-03-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9855617)
I get what you are saying, but it's bullshit that the year before once in a generation QB's are available and the year we pick first there is jack and shit. Life of a KC fan.

Every draft there's a once in a generation player.

We're just not very good at identifying them...

BigMeatballDave 08-03-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9855617)
I get what you are saying, but it's bullshit that the year before once in a generation QB's are available and the year we pick first there is jack and shit. Life of a KC fan.

I agree completely.

Such is life as a Chiefs fan.

the Talking Can 08-03-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9855617)
I get what you are saying, but it's bullshit that the year before once in a generation QB's are available and the year we pick first there is jack and shit. Life of a KC fan.

that's just a bs excuse....can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket

Fritz88 08-03-2013 11:48 AM

Jockel as advertise. Doing well in RT

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/8/...p-luke-joeckel
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Pasta Little Brioni 08-03-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9855650)
that's just a bs excuse....can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket

Hey man, I was on the Geno wagon all offseason and thought he'd go Top 5 for sure. Something rattled teams.

Fish 08-03-2013 12:01 PM

Fisher is so lazy, he's making little kids carry his shit....

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/2171/h47h.jpg

milkman 08-03-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9853530)
It's a QB driven league. And seeing how your QB is left-handed, that's his blindside. Alex already can't handle pressure in the pocket. He'll take sacks without much of a fight. He got sacked 9 times when we played the Ravens in 2011. You can't win games if Smitty's on his back.

So, you're a "9er guy" that doesn't know that Alex Smith is not left handed?

I'm pretty sure that calling you a dipshit would be offensive to dipshits everywhere.

milkman 08-03-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9855731)
Fisher is so lazy, he's making little kids carry his shit....

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/2171/h47h.jpg

Hazing little kids?

RealSNR 08-03-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9855731)
Fisher is so lazy, he's making little kids carry his shit....

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/2171/h47h.jpg

That ****ing asshole LMAO

Fish 08-03-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9855890)
That ****ing asshole LMAO

I heard that Geno Smith has been giving little kids lollipops and balloons and pony rides...

Pasta Little Brioni 08-03-2013 01:00 PM

As long as they aren't chocopops ROFL

BigMeatballDave 08-03-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9853530)
It's a QB driven league. And seeing how your QB is left-handed, that's his blindside. Alex already can't handle pressure in the pocket. He'll take sacks without much of a fight. He got sacked 9 times when we played the Ravens in 2011. You can't win games if Smitty's on his back.

Left? LMAO WTF?

Tombstone RJ 08-03-2013 01:08 PM

guys, Fisher is gonna be fine, very safe pick. He's young and he will get better and that is a scary thought for Broncos fans... just say'n.

RealSNR 08-03-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9855985)
guys, Fisher is gonna be fine, very safe pick. He's young and he will get better and that is a scary thought for Broncos fans... just say'n.

You guys are afraid of a RT? :spock:

LOOK OUT! That dude will give our shitty game manager QB an extra 3 or 4 seconds to throw the ball if you're not careful! You guys are in trouble now!

Tombstone RJ 08-03-2013 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9856014)
You guys are afraid of a RT? :spock:

LOOK OUT! That dude will give our shitty game manager QB an extra 3 or 4 seconds to throw the ball if you're not careful! You guys are in trouble now!

Fisher will move to LT once Albert is gone.

crossbow 08-03-2013 01:43 PM

Given the enormous risk the Chiefs took for leaving their comfort zone and not drafting a DT with that pick then I would say that if he fails it would shatter the Chiefs confidence in their drafting approach. It will set the teams management back for decades. In desperation they will make a trade with Frisco for one of their backup QBs but that move alone won't restore the Chief's confidence like it usually does. So they will panic and draft workout warriors that look great but have severe injury issues. In the end, none of their patented moves that they have been using for over 35 years will work and they will become frustrated and fire the GM/head coach.

BigMeatballDave 08-03-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9856014)
You guys are afraid of a RT? :spock:

LOOK OUT! That dude will give our shitty game manager QB an extra 3 or 4 seconds to throw the ball if you're not careful! You guys are in trouble now!

I don't think Albert will be around next season.

keg in kc 08-03-2013 01:45 PM

Even if he does move, you're seriously going to be terrified by a left tackle?

Uh huh.

Rasputin 08-03-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9856018)
Fisher will move to LT once Albert is gone.



What if Fisher sucks at RT?


If he sucks at RT then why the **** would we put him over at LT and replace Brandon Albert who can actually play LT pretty good?

Tombstone RJ 08-03-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9856043)
Even if he does move, you're seriously going to be terrified by a left tackle?

Uh huh.

LT is one of the franchise positions in the NFL, all you have to do is look at what premier LTs get paid. This is a QB driven league so if you have a franchise LT it's just one of the building blocks in making a good offense. Just because it's not a sexy draft pick doesn't mean it's not a valuable pick.

I'm not sure why I'm even arguing with you as I've proven over and over that you are a moron when it comes to basic football 101.

Meh, what the hell do I care anyway? If you all think Fisher was a bad pick that's fine with me, no skin of my back.

keg in kc 08-03-2013 01:52 PM

Sure, it's an important position, but we're not talking about the next Willie Roaf here. He's not even an upgrade over the LT we already had.

Tombstone RJ 08-03-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9856064)
What if Fisher sucks at RT?


If he sucks at RT then why the **** would we put him over at LT and replace Brandon Albert who can actually play LT pretty good?

he won't. And kc didn't draft him to play RT, they are only playing him there because of Albert. Once Albert is gone, Fisher will move to LT and the kc can bring in another RT.

Tombstone RJ 08-03-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9856077)
Sure, it's an important position, but we're not talking about the next Willie Roaf here. He's not even an upgrade over the LT we already had.

wrong again.

milkman 08-03-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9856089)
wrong again.

Which we will spend the 15th or 16th pick in next year's draft on.

milkman 08-03-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9856089)
wrong again.

No, he isn't wrong.

Albert is still something of a technical mess, but he recovers from technical mistake3s with superior athletic ability.

jd1020 08-03-2013 02:07 PM

If he sucks at RT its just karma for making that pick at #1.

So ****ing stupid.

notorious 08-03-2013 02:09 PM

Urge to kill rising.........

RunKC 08-03-2013 02:10 PM

Can you blame him for having some struggles? He's played against some lame DL talent in college and now he's going against 2 pro bowl pass rushers.


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