I'm not a fan of Daniel. But right now, he's our backup behind a guy who's injury prone. You've got to see what we've got. Last week, he spent a lot of time running with the 2's against the Saints' 1's.

We have this same conversation every single year. The only buzz in camp is in Kansas City because we like the guy. Nobody outside of Kansas City is talking about Tyler Bray. Most teams at the end of the preseason will NOT be looking to add a QB after they spent a ton of sweat and tears trimming their roster to 53. If they do, there could be guys like Vick, Matt Scott, Dennis Dixon, Stephen McGee, Tyler Wilson, etc... on the market who will get first pick.

Again, Bray's play isn't surprising anyone. Everyone knew he could throw. He wasn't drafted because of his attitude. You think teams are completely changing their mind because he behaved for a month?

Less Ass Smith, less Chase Daniels, less Ricki Stanzi, more Tyler Bray.



Should have this as a competition for the #2 spot anyways.

Chase Daniels is a career backup who gives a **** about him? We need to groom a starter caliber quarterback.

If that's what you want to do, then just cut Ricky Stanzi now. If he's still around, the Chiefs probably still have plans for him. The other option is that you play Bray a few drives in the 3rd quarter and you let him try out for the #3 QB. If he impresses, then you put your foot on the ground and say he's your #3 guy and cut Stanzi. If he doesn't, then give Stanzi a lot of snaps.

Stanzi should either get a lot of snaps or none at all. And if he gets none at all, he should be out the door. It does us no good whatsoever to keep him on the roster and only play 1 or 2 drives.

Also... I'd rather Stanzi be the backup. Then again, Reid does well with backups so maybe there's something I don't see. If Daniel is for sure the backup, then it is what it is. We have to groom him because he's going to really important. Because if ALex Smith goes down for a few games, Bray isn't the go-to guy much as we want him to be. It has to be Chase and he has to be ready to play.

No I'd rather cut Chase Daniels because I don't see any upside with him. Then let Bray and Stanzi compete for #2 by rotating them. Perfect scenario let each of them run with the #ones a series. **** Chase Daniels. Also keep a stern eye on the waver wire.

I'm not a fan of Chase Daniels. But he signed for 3 years $9M. He's not going anywhere. I'll just have to trust that Reid knows what he's doing here. He's made some seemingly born losers pretty decent backups.

Who cares about decent backups? We need groom starters that is the problem with Chase Daniels he is just a career back up. Wouldn't build a team around him. He will never be a franchise quarterback. Hard pressed for Ricky Stanzi at this point but I'd like to see him get more of a chance than Chase and I think Bray can leap over Stanzi.


I think Chase Daniels is a total waste of time and roster spot. Heh unless we didn't have to spend two 2nd round picks on Alex Smith and drafted a guy instead then maybe I would have accepted a competition with Chase Daniels and a rookie quarterback? I wouldn't expect much from Chase then either but we could keep our draft picks to help snag a QB in next years draft with.

At my age, I'm not as selective as you....

Continued execution like the first series' in the NO game, spread through the entire quarter, with the WRs being included in the offense, and perhaps a bit of pressure from the defense. And no injuries.

Chase Daniel is a future draft pick(s) for the Chiefs from some QB hungry team. It is part of both Dorsey and Reid's M.O.

He'll have to be a completely different player than he was last week in order for that to happen.

(I'm not saying it can't...)

I dream of the day when the Chiefs are the team that sends backups to other teams for draft picks.

I love how you ahve to put that in quotation marks these days, otherwise you get attacked.

Don't say anything negative, shit will get you hunted down .

No, he didn't. He had plenty of time.

I'm not talking about fan Buzz. I'm talking about the things coaches have said as well as what media has said sources within the organization say about the Chiefs being high on him. If we know about it, other NFL teams know more.

If you want to keep both Stanzi and Bray, Bray needs to become "injured" in the next game or two and go on the injured list.

Also. This "attitude" statement of yours is absurd. I've never heard anyone reference his attitude as any reason.

There are players like that every single year. We freak out every single year. And they almost always clear to the practice squad.

Teams will be cutting 3rd and 4th round picks of this year's draft. Quality veterans like Vick could get cut. An undrafted rookie like bray isn't on anyone's hot list. Nobody outside of kc is talking about bray. Just another example of people mistaking kc buzz for general buzz. Nobody is talking about bray outside of kc and I highly doubt that teams suddenly think his attitude turned around in just a few months.

I'd like them to issue tasers to everybody that work over phone lines. So we could bring home and taser everybody on the other end of the conference calls I'm a victim of!

Asking too much?

Actually starters are going to play the entire first half.

No, he's not. He hasn't and won't do anything, b/c he's done nothing but disappoint in camp. Nobody is trading for him. Especially with his salary.

Like to see the starters fo a whole quarter .. get a lead and the back=ups hold it ....

Why would anyone want to keep Stanzi?

Again. NATIONAL FOOTBALL PUBLICATIONS have written about how much the Chiefs organization likes Bray!

LINK? This bullshit "attitude" problem of yours is a fairytale references by absolutely NOBODY but you.

B/c Daniel is a hot turd?

Reid Ferrin*@KCChiefs_Reid

Coach Reid is planning on playing the @KCChiefs first-team offense & defense for the first half of tomorrow night's game vs the 49ers

Pay attention people.

This attitude problem isn't a fairy tale. I badly want for the kid to succeed. I like bray a lot.
Everyone knew he had first round talent. He has no injury history. Why did he go undrafted?
Are people seriously going to deflect his attitude issues at Tennessee?

I like the kid but let's not be ridiculous about what he is outside of kc. So the Chiefs are happy with bray. I'm sure that 32 teams that passed on him the entire draft have changed their opinion on his attitude because Reid made some nice comments... About a player on his own team.

The world doesn't revolve around kc. Bray could easily clear waivers just like he cleared the entire draft.

What he said he was going to do last week didn't happen either. I wouldn't mind a couple of good series from both the offense and defense, and we call it a day much earlier, just like last week.

Well ofcourse if we drove down and put up like 13 points and hole them to 7 or so and there's half the 2nd Q left, I'd sit em the rest of the game. Just depends on how the drives go

This game tonight is going to be a major, major glimpse into what we can expect.

You know that Harbaugh wants to ****ing shut down Alex Smith. He has a massive ego and needs to be right about replacing him.

The reverse is true for Alex.

If the Chiefs come out and get monkey stomped with Alex throwing a couple INTs, then we should probably be hoping for 8-8 at best. If they go up three scores on a Super Bowl favorite, then I think there's legitimate reason for hope.

I know it's only the second preseason game, but I think it's foolish to believe both of these teams aren't going in wanting to win. Teams have a lot of pride in their QB, and they will all want to win it for their guy.

At least the first half. As long as the starters are in, I think it's going to be regular season football.

They both are. The only difference is Daniel isn't getting flushed for at least a year. 1 turd is getting flushed and that turd refuses to cut his ****ing hair.

You are over estimating Jim Harbaugh. jim has never cared what people feel, and doesn't feel the need to prove anything to anyone. Jim isn't going to set out to make an example out of Alex Smith........hes not that important to Jim.

Not really...

then you haven't been paying attention

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...,d.b2I&cad=rja

Weaknesses

Bray has two major weaknesses that I see when I've watched him. The first is correctable, and the second is a gamble. Bray is mind-numbingly inconsistent with nearly everything he does. From footwork to reading defenses, Bray is all over the charts in terms of performance. The second weakness is his attitude.

Bray is rough around the edges of his tremendous raw talent. He knows how to set his feet properly and deliver the ball to exactly the right spot, but he doesn't do it all the time. Bray's accuracy wasn't all his receivers' fault, and I trace it mostly to bad footwork. Bray knows where to go with the football, but he'll regress and still stare down receivers. I've seen him work the pocket masterfully in some games on some plays, while in others it's as if he's got no feel at all. Bray has a great deal of talent, but a lot to work on.

What concerns me more than his inconsistencies is his attitude. He doesn't seem to have a team-first, killer attitude. His interviews make him look like an arrogant college kid that has been given a lot in his life. He doesn't come across as a leader, and his off-season issues at Tennessee underscore the point. Bray comes across as a ultra-talented kid that never really works for anything. A team wants a quarterback who is the hardest worker on the team, and someone that's a leader. Right now, that's not Tyler Bray. A team drafting Bray needs to be careful.

Oh I think he cares, but a pre-season game isn't the place for it. He has a larger agenda and busting his load to get a win in a meaningless isn't what he'll do. The 9ers will play vanilla. More, I expect Harbaugh to pull the starters if the game goes more than a td one way or another... unless he and Reid have come to some sort of agreement, which I seriously doubt.

Titties!

Calm down.

We have 3 weeks to go...

Granted.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=184830

As for what I want to see. I want Alex Smith to play so well that Clay has a heart attack and dies......

Link me to any talk of an "attitude problem". His problem is his has a 10¢ brain. Makes to many bad decisions on the football field. He also made stupid decisions OFF of the football field. Well documented. Never once heard anything about an "attitude problem".

So he doesn't have the disposition you'd want in a QB. Got it. Other than that. I think your scout is using the wrong word. As is Chiefzilla, a bad attitude would mean he's hard to deal with and handle. Haven't seen any negativity from him or any undesirable personality traits. Apparently he's not intended enough, or doesn't take things personally enough. Whatever.

your definition of attitude is pretty narrow

Bray isn't Aaron Hernandez but that doesn't mean his attitude isn't a weakness.


immaturity and attitude issues usually go hand in hand

Never happen.

I'd like to see a Bray career ending injury just so people here will stop talking about him like he's ever going to be anything more than a 3rd stringer.

probably not but i think Smith playing well and clay having a heart attack is something that the entire board can agree on.


:D

Oh yeah so these Niner trolls will stay and bring their troll friends with them. Brilliant idea. Just stop.

I would put up with a 1,000 49er Alex Smith psychos if it meant having a good QB and a real chance at a super bowl.

why wouldn't you?


Apparently you would rather be 'right' about Alex Smith than see the Chiefs win.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL Alex Smith IS NOT IT. Good lord.

Justin Smith!

Too late?

Not quite. When the regular season starts I expect a lot more. But CP can handle it. We'd have to combine our forces again but divide ourselves into squads to take out each individual niner troll. We could do it. Clay would be the General.

Interested in what different fronts Sutton will use for the variety of alignments that Harbaugh uses, especially given how diverse he is with personnel.

You think this game will be more than vanilla?

While I don't think you're going to see a myriad of FZ concepts, I do think you'll see a much broader range of fronts out of base personnel. Additionally, it will be interested in seeing what kind of personnel Sutton decides to utilize for certain alignments/personnel (Diamond with Regular or 2 Tites, Pistol slot with Detroit/2tites/Regular, etc. which Roman/Harbaugh uses quite frequently).

I'm curious as to what fronts Sutton will use for heavy/jumbo alignments with the various personnel groupings as well.

As far as coverages go, I'm also interested in seeing how often we use c6 out of base fronts, which was/is something commonly done by Rex.

I do expect to see some cross-dog and $+Sam/Mike FZ concepts out of base personnel as well a few times but not with any kind of frequency.

Someone who can shut up NaVorro Bowman.

I wouldn't expect to see much in the way of Jumbo packages from the 9ers. They've been using it less and less and this is just a pre-season game. I'd be surprised to see it. You're sure to see some 2 tight end formations, but I suspect you'll see a lot of 3 wr sets both pistol and standard. The niners are really trying to sort out their WR situation and they're going to give them plenty of play time to compete for a place on the depth chart.

I'm not going to comment much on the D because other than a few specific players and the fact that the base will be 3-4 I don't know much about it or even more how Sutton likes to play other than the comments about giving the LBs more opportunities to blitz and create pressure. I suspect I'll learn as this season progresses.

So you think you'll see more than a little bit of zone and inside blitzes then.

I didn't get to watch the last game, but I'll be looking for it tonight.

They're pretty vanilla concepts that every team uses (even Romeo) that are used with quite a bit of frequency throughout the season, especially by teams that utilize FZ principles heavily ala the Ravens, Jets, Steelers, Browns(Horton), and GB.

Again, not a whole lot of frequency but I'd expect them to call a few to get some tape for certain players (specifically, Nico Johnson).

I thought Sutton's defense was very interesting last week.

He ran a ton of 46 with the backup unit with Hartman playing Safety. You saw a whole bunch of 2-4-5 sets with Tyson Jackson and Devito on the line, which I thought those two were pretty much useless. And thought he dialed up a pretty aggressive defense for the preseason. A lot of formations with Berry close to the line.

One thing I still love about Sutton's defense and our personnel is the versatility. DeVito and Poe especially. That helps a lot when your linemen can multiple formations so you don't have to adjust every time the offense switches into exotic personnel groups as Roman likes to do. It would also be interesting to see how Ault's help to Sutton helps adjust to the pistol, but I doubt SF runs much of that tonight.

I want to see a 10 foot tall penis with no hands, but legs for some reason, receive a ball in superglued spot on his helmet in stride by Alex Smith....20 yards down the field and run it for a touchdown.

And spike the football.

Then the San Fran Homo's run out and great him to "It's Raining Men" while breaking out into to an impromptu orchestrated dance of "Thriller".

Is that asking too much?

An accurate QB will make good WR's come out of the woodwork. Look at Brady. It appears AS is accurate in the short / intermediate game. Nows lets see it go downfield a little. His passes last week out on the flat were absolutely perfect. Cassel never did that in 4 years.

Meanwhile,I'll have another beer.

Engage

There ya go.

Hehe, you silly fellas! They did this almost to a "T".


I'll probably chart the snaps because I have nothing to really do Sunday.

Nope. You don't get shit, GoChiefs.

The Sandbox curse.

I'm sorry. "We were so wrong."/ Gus