Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9887663)

I'm not sure how that's banning tipping. Seems to me it's a way for the company to get a cut of the tips.

Originally Posted by kindra68 (Post 9888345)

What about the waitresses that bust their ass and it’s not all about just turning tables?
I work Monday – Friday 10am – 4pm. Monday & Tuesday I’m the only server. Wednesday I get a bartender that refuses to do anything but stay “in his warm spot” and play on his phone. Thursday I get a bartender and she gets the bar half of the restaurant (3 booths and 3 hightops) and Friday I get a bartender (same tables) and a waitress that splits the other half of the restaurant with me. Monday- Wednesday I run my ass off. I run sales over $500.00 each day. Thursday and Friday the business falls off. So much so last Thursday my sales were $181.00 and Friday $69.00. I have several people that only come in Mondays and Tuesdays. They know I’m the only one there and it might take me a second to get to them but when I do, I walk up with a smile and treat them like they are the most important people there. Heck I have a couple of people that only show up “after the rush” because they know I’m the only one there. As in I greet them at the door, seat them, get their drinks, get the food order, put the order in the pos, then wash my hands and go make the order (it’s an open kitchen). When the order is done I take it out of the oven and serve it to them. And if they are drinking anything from the bar it’s usually at this time they are close to empty, and so I run back to the bar and l make another round of drinks. And yes I do all this for $2.13 an hour. But on the flip side, would I do it for $10-$12 an hour and NO tips? Awe hell no!
((I’m not even going to get into the whole “tipout” bs))

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9888437)

So in essence are you saying that you're making more than $8-$10 per hour on tips?

And have you noticed that your tips go up if you work harder? Have you developed any strategies to maximize tipping, such as turning tables over as fast as possible, or giving disproportionate attention to people who are known high tippers or suspected high tippers?

And do your regulars tip you more if you're having a good service day than if you're feeling lethargic that day?

These are legitimate questions, by the way. I have no agenda with the answer despite the fact that I would prefer a non-tipping world with correspondingly higher prices.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9887663)

I'm not sure how that's banning tipping. Seems to me it's a way for the company to get a cut of the tips.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9888437)

So in essence are you saying that you're making more than $8-$10 per hour on tips?

And have you noticed that your tips go up if you work harder? Have you developed any strategies to maximize tipping, such as turning tables over as fast as possible, or giving disproportionate attention to people who are known high tippers or suspected high tippers?

And do your regulars tip you more if you're having a good service day than if you're feeling lethargic that day?

These are legitimate questions, by the way. I have no agenda with the answer despite the fact that I would prefer a non-tipping world with correspondingly higher prices.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9887796)

I'm just curious why the restaurant shut down if this grand experiment was such a success? He says that they're getting ready to open a new one sure, but why shut down a successful restaurant?

Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 9888471)

..
Also, most good tipping regulars tipped well regardless because they loved being treated like friends when they came in. We would know their name and/or favorite drink/dish. That kind of thing.

Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 9888471)

The only thing that really drove up profit for the servers was volume and alcohol sales. And cleavage. Don't forget cleavage. Even that, however, only really seemed to make a difference with certain groups or, especially, those eating/drinking in the bar area. A lot of attractive girls in the regular dining room didn't seem to much better than myself. (An average-ish looking white dude)

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by kindra68 (Post 9888345)

What about the waitresses that bust their ass and it’s not all about just turning tables?
I work Monday – Friday 10am – 4pm. Monday & Tuesday I’m the only server. Wednesday I get a bartender that refuses to do anything but stay “in his warm spot” and play on his phone. Thursday I get a bartender and she gets the bar half of the restaurant (3 booths and 3 hightops) and Friday I get a bartender (same tables) and a waitress that splits the other half of the restaurant with me. Monday- Wednesday I run my ass off. I run sales over $500.00 each day. Thursday and Friday the business falls off. So much so last Thursday my sales were $181.00 and Friday $69.00. I have several people that only come in Mondays and Tuesdays. They know I’m the only one there and it might take me a second to get to them but when I do, I walk up with a smile and treat them like they are the most important people there. Heck I have a couple of people that only show up “after the rush” because they know I’m the only one there. As in I greet them at the door, seat them, get their drinks, get the food order, put the order in the pos, then wash my hands and go make the order (it’s an open kitchen). When the order is done I take it out of the oven and serve it to them. And if they are drinking anything from the bar it’s usually at this time they are close to empty, and so I run back to the bar and l make another round of drinks. And yes I do all this for $2.13 an hour. But on the flip side, would I do it for $10-$12 an hour and NO tips? Awe hell no!
((I’m not even going to get into the whole “tipout” bs))

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9888613)

I'm fine with a policy of a mandatory tip for extremely large parties, but if its just two of us and they stick me with the mandatory 18% gratuity, I probably will not return.

I typically tip a lot more than 18%, but I don't want to be forced to pay for service regardless of the quality.

Originally Posted by Tits McGee (Post 9888711)

http://thelinkery.com/blog/
Closed.

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9888783)

18% on a small two person party isn't that much. For a $25 two person dinner, 18% tip comes out to $4.50. Are you really saying that's too much too expect, when you typically pay that much anyway and you know that the waiter is depending on your tip?

As you say, you typically tip more than that. The studies on tipping have shown that people generally pay the same despite the service quality. So in the restaurant's favor, it makes perfect sense. It's more likely than not that most people will tip routinely regardless of service quality. If the majority of people choose not to return, then the business will obviously fail. But I really question how many people would be turning down a meal in which they'd typically be paying the same meal price + tip regardless, on the ground that the tip is now expected. The only difference is the expectation factor of the measly 18%.

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 9888836)

.... it's still the best business model you can have dammit!!!!! #noquitters

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9888857)

I don't care what other people typically do. I want the option to tip anywhere between 5 cents to over 35% or anything in between. If a restaurant forces an 18% gratuity, I will probably not return. The restaurant in the OP is dumb.

Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9888869)

I have eaten at the Linkery. IMHO the food was way overpriced and not all that great. Portions were on the small side for me, but ok for my wife who hardly eats anything. And to tell you the truth I have had better service at many of the named chain restaurants.

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9888857)

I don't care what other people typically do. I want the option to tip anywhere between 5 cents to over 35% or anything in between. If a restaurant forces an 18% gratuity, I will probably not return. The restaurant in the OP is dumb.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9888974)

This reminds me of another peeve of mine. Don't put tip lines on receipts when your place does nothing requiring a tip. It confuses customers. We have a couple pizza places that are carryout only and they put a tip line on there and it drives me nuts. You didn't do anything tip worthy.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9888974)

This reminds me of another peeve of mine. Don't put tip lines on receipts when your place does nothing requiring a tip. It confuses customers. We have a couple pizza places that are carryout only and they put a tip line on there and it drives me nuts. You didn't do anything tip worthy.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9889014)

It's standard on credit card receipts. It's funny that you mention that though. They do a hell of a lot more for your pizza than the drivers. They take your order, make it, cook it, and box it. Driver drives it to your house making the same amount as them an hour, plus gas and tips.

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9888979)

Agreed, my favorite BBQ joint does that shit, and while I usually pay cash I do sometimes use my debit card and it annoys me. Then on top of that they also have a tip jar on the counter which is equally annoying.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9889048)

A bad waitress who's hot and has a nice rack will make more in tips than a very good waitress who's ugly.


Human nature....
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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889038)

Not to disrespect at all here J, but everything you just listed is what they get paid to do right? Do in house pizza bakers make less than minimum wage like waiters do?

The issue with tipping that gets me is that it used to just be table waiting, bell hops, and bartenders that was the tipped position. Now it seems every position is a tipped position. I'm referring to my local places not places like vegas where everything under the sun is tipped.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889060)

I get a kick out of how waitress' always wear the low cut blouse when waiting tables.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9889070)

I know what you're saying. However the driver generally does less, makes as much per hour (doing the only job he does), gets reimbursed mileage and gets to keep all his tips. Typical driver spends (worse case scenario) ten minutes to your house, talks to you for 30 seconds, and smokes a cig on the way back to the store. So for 10 minutes of "work" he makes double what the people who bust their ass do.

Don't get me wrong, drivers are valuable, but they're kind of like offensive linemen. You don't notice them til they screw up. (which is the sample act of following a gps to your house).

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9889074)

When I waited tables in high school at was the Blue Oyster and I always wore assless chaps. Seemed to help with tips.

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9889086)

I tipped today at oklahoma joes carry out. You would be surprised the perks that come with it.

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9888937)

You would seriously refrain from an otherwise good restaurant because you couldn't control a minuscule tiny percent of the wage the waiter made? Control of that little difference of gratuity is that important to you? Enough to never return? Over a matter of maybe a single digit percent difference of one transaction out of several dozen throughout that waiter's day? The difference between choosing 18% +/- X, and having to just pay 18%?

Why is controlling that variable important enough to boycott the establishment?

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889078)

But I thought drivers were paid less per hour and relied on tips to make up the rest like a table waiter. Thats not the case? Not a biggie to me because I always pick up my pizza in person.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889156)

You can't even leave a poor tip for poor service anymore because they will remember you and give you poor service again if you return. Major problem with tipping right there.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9889070)

I know what you're saying. However the driver generally does less, makes as much per hour (doing the only job he does), gets reimbursed mileage and gets to keep all his tips. Typical driver spends (worse case scenario) ten minutes to your house, talks to you for 30 seconds, and smokes a cig on the way back to the store. So for 10 minutes of "work" he makes double what the people who bust their ass do.

Don't get me wrong, drivers are valuable, but they're kind of like offensive linemen. You don't notice them til they screw up. (which is the sample act of following a gps to your house).

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9889183)

Some companies have went to paying $1 less than minimum wage but at the same time the majority did not. Mileage is paid accordingly so it was hit or miss but in my experience I made money on mileage while putting very few miles on my car.

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 9889225)

Who tips more than 20% really?

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 9889187)

Just remember who your waiter/waitress was and demand someone different.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889244)

That doesn't work. They tell other wait staff about their poor tips now. I mean seriously, god forbid you actually care enough to give the customer a good experience.

Doesn't happen often but it does happen.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889244)

That doesn't work. They tell other wait staff about their poor tips now. I mean seriously, god forbid you actually care enough to give the customer a good experience.

Doesn't happen often but it does happen.

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9887707)

So, the only people who consistently tip well are 'merican caucasian males ages 18-60?

Why do the libtards hate us so?

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 9889225)

Who tips more than 20% really?

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889156)

You can't even leave a poor tip for poor service anymore because they will remember you and give you poor service again if you return. Major problem with tipping right there.

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9887644)

After I banned tipping at my restaurant, the service got better and we made more money

[*]Tipped servers, in turn, learn that service quality isn’t particularly important to their revenue. Instead they are rewarded for maximizing the number of guests they serve, even though that degrades service quality.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9889070)

I know what you're saying. However the driver generally does less, makes as much per hour (doing the only job he does), gets reimbursed mileage and gets to keep all his tips. Typical driver spends (worse case scenario) ten minutes to your house, talks to you for 30 seconds, and smokes a cig on the way back to the store. So for 10 minutes of "work" he makes double what the people who bust their ass do.

Don't get me wrong, drivers are valuable, but they're kind of like offensive linemen. You don't notice them til they screw up. (which is the sample act of following a gps to your house).

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9887851)

I thought the bolded part was pretty interesting. I'd never thought about that.

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9887822)

There's a good podcast on the subject in the link below. From actual "Experts" on the subject...

5 reasons we should ban tipping
The practice is confusing, inefficient and ultimately discriminatory, researchers say.

If you listen to the latest Freakonomics Radio podcast, you may never want to tip again. Host Stephen Dubner interviews one of the country's experts on tipping, Cornell University professor Michael Lynn, who has written 51 academic papers on the subject.

In the podcast, Lynn was asked what he would do differently if he could go back in time and rewrite the social norms related to tipping. What would he change?

He said he would outlaw tipping completely. That's a surprising response from someone who has basically devoted his career to studying the practice. Some restaurants already do this. Dubner mentions The Linkery in San Diego, which bans tipping in favor of an 18% service charge for diners.

From the experts in the podcast, here are five reasons the U.S. should ban tipping:

It's discriminatory. This is Lynn's No. 1 reason for outlawing tipping. In his research, he's found that the people who get the most tips are slender white women in their 30s with large breasts. What a surprise.

He's also found that minorities get fewer tips in general. When you have an aspect of employment that hurts a broad class of people, whether it's intentional or not, that's absolutely discriminatory. This is a class-action lawsuit just waiting to be filed.

It may lead to corruption. Another expert interviewed in the podcast, Magnus Torfason from Harvard Business School, said he has found that countries with more tipping have more corruption.

It's really uncomfortable. For the tipper, that is, and possibly for the tippee as well. That's because people don't know what they're supposed to tip and for what service. How much is enough? And do I have the right bill on me? I can't really ask this person to break a $20 bill, can I? Help!

It's essentially subsidizing businesses. Lynn has estimated that about $40 billion a year is given in tips in the United States. Dubner pointed out that NASA's annual budget is less than $20 billion. So we could build two NASAs with all the money being tipped. That's money that businesses don't have to pay to their waitresses and other service employees.

It shifts work away from the employee. Tipping can actually create so much unease that some customers end up doing the work instead of the employee. For example, people carry their own luggage to their hotel rooms even though there are workers hired to perform that specific service. People park their own cars farther away, even though there's a valet right there at the door. As a result, some service workers end up with nothing to do, which is inefficient and wastes a company's resources.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 9889303)

Yea, I am sure you are a great tipper. ROFL

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889313)

You are a ****ing idiot.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 9889316)

ROFL

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 9889305)

People in back get a set rate (which they agreed upon because they work there) whether it is busy or not. Guaranteed as long as they are there working their hours.

There is value in guaranteed money. That isn't the case with the driver.

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9889207)

Drivers now make $4-$5/hr and have the 3rd most dangerous job in America with the Bad drivers and crime. Most of them do A LOT more than just drive the pizza to your house. Even back when I drove I made the pizzas, cut them, prepped up the ingredients and delivered them. They also destroy very expensive vehicles coming to your door.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9889360)

You do realize I spent the last 10 years of my life as a general manager and district manager of a pizza place?

Up until the mandatory minimum wage hike in mo everyone was paid minimum wage in my company. When it went over 7 drivers got paid $1 less plus tips, plus mileage.

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 9889359)

Let me fill you in on some delivery driver knowledge.

7.25 an hour while inside the store, 4.25 an hour while on the road. 1.30 out of your $2 + delivery charge goes to the driver per delivery. The driver pays for wear and tear, gas and is held responsible for anything that happens on the road if its their fault or not.

$1 tip or lower = cheap ass get out and get your own pizza.
$2 = Nut tap.
$3 = Average.
$4 = Thank you! You just helped me forget the last shitty customer who didn't tip.
$5 + = You're a great person. Ill be sure to bring you your pizza first next time.

I worked for 10+ years as a driver, AM, AGM and GM. I've seen it all, I've heard it all, and if you tip online $1.00 and the driver has a second delivery that gave him $3 or more, guess who gets their pizza first?

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 9889359)

Let me fill you in on some delivery driver knowledge.

7.25 an hour while inside the store, 4.25 an hour while on the road. 1.30 out of your $2 + delivery charge goes to the driver per delivery. The driver pays for wear and tear, gas and is held responsible for anything that happens on the road if its their fault or not.

$1 tip or lower = cheap ass get out and get your own pizza.
$2 = Nut tap.
$3 = Average.
$4 = Thank you! You just helped me forget the last shitty customer who didn't tip.
$5 + = You're a great person. Ill be sure to bring you your pizza first next time.

I worked for 10+ years as a driver, AM, AGM and GM. I've seen it all, I've heard it all, and if you tip online $1.00 and the driver has a second delivery that gave him $3 or more, guess who gets their pizza first?

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9889391)

That's ****ing absurd. No way in hell I'm tipping $4-5 on a pizza. Get a different job.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 9889301)

The best tippers (very generally) behind wealthy men are professional women.

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 9887773)

Sometimes, I like to tease the waiter/tress a little when they bring the check and I'll deadpan ask them "how do you feel about tips?" They'll usually give me the "huh" look and I'll say "would you say you are for them or against them". Typically it results in a nice exchange and I tip well.

A while back, I was eating with a coworker and at the end of the meal I ask the waitress "how do you feel about tips". She looks at me like I've just shat upon my plate and then I realize she's a..top heavy gal......I laugh a little and then spell it....t-i-P-s tips....then she laughed.

If the servers are friendly and attentive, I take care of them.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889038)

... Do in house pizza bakers make less than minimum wage like waiters do?
...

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889380)

And this is the problem with tipping. Preferential treatment.

I understand being upset with the crappy tippers but a drivers job is to deliver the pizza to a paying customer. The money for the pizza is, after all, going toward their salary as well.

Originally Posted by Tits McGee (Post 9888711)

http://thelinkery.com/blog/
Closed.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9889156)

You can't even leave a poor tip for poor service anymore because they will remember you and give you poor service again if you return. Major problem with tipping right there.

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9887822)

There's a good podcast on the subject in the link below. From actual "Experts" on the subject...

5 reasons we should ban tipping
The practice is confusing, inefficient and ultimately discriminatory, researchers say.

If you listen to the latest Freakonomics Radio podcast, you may never want to tip again. Host Stephen Dubner interviews one of the country's experts on tipping, Cornell University professor Michael Lynn, who has written 51 academic papers on the subject.

In the podcast, Lynn was asked what he would do differently if he could go back in time and rewrite the social norms related to tipping. What would he change?

He said he would outlaw tipping completely. That's a surprising response from someone who has basically devoted his career to studying the practice. Some restaurants already do this. Dubner mentions The Linkery in San Diego, which bans tipping in favor of an 18% service charge for diners.

From the experts in the podcast, here are five reasons the U.S. should ban tipping:

It's discriminatory. This is Lynn's No. 1 reason for outlawing tipping. In his research, he's found that the people who get the most tips are slender white women in their 30s with large breasts. What a surprise.

He's also found that minorities get fewer tips in general. When you have an aspect of employment that hurts a broad class of people, whether it's intentional or not, that's absolutely discriminatory. This is a class-action lawsuit just waiting to be filed.

It may lead to corruption. Another expert interviewed in the podcast, Magnus Torfason from Harvard Business School, said he has found that countries with more tipping have more corruption.

It's really uncomfortable. For the tipper, that is, and possibly for the tippee as well. That's because people don't know what they're supposed to tip and for what service. How much is enough? And do I have the right bill on me? I can't really ask this person to break a $20 bill, can I? Help!

It's essentially subsidizing businesses. Lynn has estimated that about $40 billion a year is given in tips in the United States. Dubner pointed out that NASA's annual budget is less than $20 billion. So we could build two NASAs with all the money being tipped. That's money that businesses don't have to pay to their waitresses and other service employees.

It shifts work away from the employee. Tipping can actually create so much unease that some customers end up doing the work instead of the employee. For example, people carry their own luggage to their hotel rooms even though there are workers hired to perform that specific service. People park their own cars farther away, even though there's a valet right there at the door. As a result, some service workers end up with nothing to do, which is inefficient and wastes a company's resources.

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 9889359)

Let me fill you in on some delivery driver knowledge.

7.25 an hour while inside the store, 4.25 an hour while on the road. 1.30 out of your $2 + delivery charge goes to the driver per delivery. The driver pays for wear and tear, gas and is held responsible for anything that happens on the road if its their fault or not.

$1 tip or lower = cheap ass get out and get your own pizza.
$2 = Nut tap.
$3 = Average.
$4 = Thank you! You just helped me forget the last shitty customer who didn't tip.
$5 + = You're a great person. Ill be sure to bring you your pizza first next time.

I worked for 10+ years as a driver, AM, AGM and GM. I've seen it all, I've heard it all, and if you tip online $1.00 and the driver has a second delivery that gave him $3 or more, guess who gets their pizza first?

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9889409)

I dated a waitress for 5 years when I was in my 20s, her and the other waitresses always maintained that it was working-class men who tipped the best. But that was 20 years ago...I know Zach has been in the business more recently so maybe things have changed.

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 9889901)

I think it's funny that ppl pride themselves on tipping more than 20%, like they are some man of honor. GTFO. I would like to thank those ppl for subsiding ppl like myself. I am cheap, & proud of it. Being frugal in my life as enabled me to live the life, have a surplus of $ that I can use for other things that MATTER. I've been a waiter before, so don't give me that shit like oh you don't know you haven't ever worked it. I made probably WAY more than I deserved at the time. Most waiters don't YET have the job skills to make as much as they make waitressing. Obv. that is why they do it. Usually because they either 1) Don't have education 2) Are on their way and in college 3) Or just can't do anything else. And I'll be damned if I'm going to tip 20% just cuz you are good looking or kissing my ass so you can pay for your 5 kids.

I've calculated I'll save $14,000 throughout my life by tipping 10% instead of 20%. You know what that means? You guys just bought me $14,000 worth of cocaine, hookers, and barbeque sauce. Thank you

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9889914)

I think it's funny that it's standard that it has to be 20% of the check.

Do they teach waiters at 5 star restaurants how to bring water to your table differently? Hell... I've noticed now that the person taking my order very seldom brings out the ****ing food.