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jd1020 08-19-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9898745)
Your a moran LMAO

They traded him for a guy that better fits this team you dumbass.

Mav 08-19-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9898712)
So....how many times did Alex target Jenkins last year?

Jenkins never was active for a game Alex Played in. He was only active for 3 games. All with Kaep.

ChiTown 08-19-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 9898747)
:spock:

Chiefs Planet Lexicon. Come on!

Mr. Laz 08-19-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9898679)
I remain convinced that Thomas Jones absolutely altered the course of Baldwin's career by being a dipshit thug.

you are such a complete moron

FlaChief58 08-19-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9898718)

Damn man, use a spoiler tag when you post nasty shit like that. Reported

ChiefsCountry 08-19-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9898725)
There's a lot of truth to that.

Baldwin's a big, 'vertical' WR that thrives on those jump balls and downfield passes where he can just use his body and size to take the ball away from guys. Granted, he's not done it here, but if he makes it, that will be how.

He's doomed in a WCO - he's not quick enough in and out of his cuts to succeed in this offense. He has little chance to really realize his potential anywhere, but he had no chance at all to realize it here. This move can only help him.

Play action with Kapernick and let him throw it deep to Baldwin. That would play to Baldwin's strengths.

ToxSocks 08-19-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9898741)
worst case, he sucks and is as bad as Baldwin
best case, he can actually get open and catch.

Worst case is that he's actually worse than Baldwin, which he's been up to this point.

Mav 08-19-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9898725)
There's a lot of truth to that.

Baldwin's a big, 'vertical' WR that thrives on those jump balls and downfield passes where he can just use his body and size to take the ball away from guys. Granted, he's not done it here, but if he makes it, that will be how.

He's doomed in a WCO - he's not quick enough in and out of his cuts to succeed in this offense. He has little chance to really realize his potential anywhere, but he had no chance at all to realize it here. This move can only help him.

As for Jenkins; he's more of a cut and run guy. And to whoever asked if he has any speed - yup, lots and lots of it. Perhaps Andy sees some DeSean Jackson in him.

This is a smart deal by (I hope) two very smart organizations. Like I said, it's very likely to be garbage in, garbage out, but both of the principals to the trade are significantly more likely to succeed where they're going than where they've been.

I always saw far more Tory Holt in Jenkins than Djax. Hes not quite as quick as D jax.

mikey23545 08-19-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 9898737)
Sadly, baldwin had shown MORE than jenkins

sorry but I think this is stupid trade


Oh, FFS...getting a used condom for Baldwin would have been a great trade.

Mav 08-19-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9898756)
Play action with Kapernick and let him throw it deep to Baldwin. That would play to Baldwin's strengths.

Baldwin still has to catch the thing.

T-post Tom 08-19-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9898728)
Peter King's sources say that Jon Baldwin has everything it takes to be a Pro Bowl receiver.

Update: "It was revealed today that Peter King's sources consist of 3 circus monkeys & a recently fired GM from Kansas City."

BigCatDaddy 08-19-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9898748)
They traded him for a guy that better fits this team you dumbass.


LMAO Jenkins wasn't making the Niners. They could have had both if they weren't going to release Baldwin. #getaclue

jd1020 08-19-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9898757)
Worst case is that he's actually worse than Baldwin, which he's been up to this point.

Meh. Baldwin had no place on the starting line the second Bowe wasn't traded.

Brock 08-19-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 9898737)
Sadly, baldwin had shown MORE than jenkins

sorry but I think this is stupid trade

What's stupid about it? He clearly wasn't going to work out here.

DJ's left nut 08-19-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 9898721)
So we trade for a speed WR and have a QB that won't pass the ball further than 4 yards downfield?

Speed isn't just about running fast straight ahead.

Jenkins is much quicker in and out of his cuts and can get into the intermediate zones better. If you have him run a drag route from the slot, for instance, he'll likely be able to get and keep his separation as he crosses the middle (with Smith hitting him on the rollout as he clears the interior linebacker).

Baldwin couldn't get that separation; the nickle CB could break right on him and stay with him all the way.

We can use his speed.

ChiliConCarnage 08-19-2013 10:25 AM

Eh - hope one mans trash is your treasure. Doesn't seem like a bad move for either team

Squatch 08-19-2013 10:25 AM

Are we now rid of his salary? I bet Jenkins is a little cheaper.

hometeam 08-19-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9898765)
What's stupid about it? He clearly wasn't going to work out here.

Exactly. He was going to be cut. Now we have another 1st round WR who if he doesn't work out either, no harm done.

Mav 08-19-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9898720)
Eh, thats entirely possible... but ya never know.

Sometimes the realization that your team thinks you suck and followed by a change of scenery is enough to wake a guy up.

We'll see, atleast he's got some quicks.

Yeah, well, as a positive guy, I defended this guy to the death. I said, he will come around, and well, he didn't. I don't mind the trade so much, but I think the 49ers got the upper hand in this one........

DJ's left nut 08-19-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9898752)
you are such a complete moron

Once again, your inability to be right about anything...ever...makes me not too terribly broken up by this.

BigCatDaddy 08-19-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9898772)
Exactly. He was going to be cut. Now we have another 1st round WR who if he doesn't work out either, no harm done.

Yep, exactly.

Rain Man 08-19-2013 10:27 AM

It seems likely that Jenkins will be able to replace Baldwin's production. Or at least it's unlikely that he'll produce less.

jd1020 08-19-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Squatch (Post 9898771)
Are we now rid of his salary? I bet Jenkins is a little cheaper.

Like league minimum cheaper.

Mr. Laz 08-19-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Squatch (Post 9898771)
Are we now rid of his salary? I bet Jenkins is a little cheaper.

all the initial signing bonuses and guaranteed money stay on the books of the original team. The rest doesn't matter much.

9er guy 08-19-2013 10:27 AM

If Baldwin can't catch Matt Cassell/Alex Smith passes, I don't see how he's catching Kaep passes.

Shox 08-19-2013 10:28 AM

Crap for Crap. End of analysis.

Mr. Laz 08-19-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9898775)
Once again, your inability to be right about anything...ever...makes me not too terribly broken up by this.

each time you open your mouth the world gets a little dumber.

buddha 08-19-2013 10:28 AM

Baldwin sucked...couldn't catch the ball. That wasn't going to change. Jenkins is faster, quicker and he can catch the ball. He has done nothing in one year, but he was terrific in college. Baldwin was always a project. Some projects don't work out. Trade his ass and move on.

If AJ doesn't work out, what exactly did we just lose?

ct 08-19-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 9898760)
Oh, FFS...getting a used condom for Baldwin would have been a great trade.

If they really wanted this trade, ask for a 1 round drop in the alex smith trade compensation owed

I see nothing beneficial w/ bringing jenkins aboard

I'm already in the 'let andy reid coach up alex smith/dexter mccluster/knile davis' camp, just don't know how many tents I can pitch in the same campsite ya know?

jd1020 08-19-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 9898787)
Baldwin sucked...couldn't catch the ball. That wasn't going to change. Jenkins is faster, quicker and he can catch the ball. He has done nothing in one year, but he was terrific in college. Baldwin was always a project. Some projects don't work out. Trade his ass and move on.

If AJ doesn't work out, what exactly did we just lose?

ROFL

Baldwin was a stud in college.

ToxSocks 08-19-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9898784)
If Baldwin can't catch Matt Cassell/Alex Smith passes, I don't see how he's catching Kaep passes.

Wait, what?

Mav 08-19-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9898784)
If Baldwin can't catch Matt Cassell/Alex Smith passes, I don't see how he's catching Kaep passes.

Well. I dunno, some times you have to catch Kaeps passes in self defense. That might actually help Baldwin. They say he has big strong hands. Kaep is going to test that theory.

ChiTown 08-19-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Squatch (Post 9898771)
Are we now rid of his salary? I bet Jenkins is a little cheaper.

Baldwin is $2.0MM+ for 2013 was his cap hit and ~$2.3MM in '14. I think Jenkins Cap would be about a wash with Baldwin

Rausch 08-19-2013 10:30 AM

Glad to see him go...

ILChief 08-19-2013 10:30 AM

Now CP will think Baldwin is the second coming of Jerry rice

ShowtimeSBMVP 08-19-2013 10:31 AM

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 16s

Trade makes perfect sense from #Chiefs standpoint: Reid prefers speed on outside. Jenkins will give them that right away.

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 10:31 AM

Ashes to ashes. Bust for bust.

Mr. Laz 08-19-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 9898787)
Baldwin sucked...couldn't catch the ball. That wasn't going to change. Jenkins is faster, quicker and he can catch the ball. He has done nothing in one year, but he was terrific in college. Baldwin was always a project. Some projects don't work out. Trade his ass and move on.

If AJ doesn't work out, what exactly did we just lose?

nothing ... crap for crap,

only risk is that if one of the team misused/wrongly evaluated one of the players and just traded away talent.

Maybe both players fit better and it works for each team.

Imon Yourside 08-19-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 9898798)
Now CP will think Baldwin is the second coming of Jerry rice

ummm...no. Jerry Rice was a happy camper with a great workout ethic..Baldwin is just the opposite.

Rausch 08-19-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9898792)
Well. I dunno, some times you have to catch Kaeps passes in self defense. That might actually help Baldwin. They say he has big strong hands. Kaep is going to test that theory.

Baldwin can't catch and gets clowned by smaller and less talented CB's.

The NFCW DB's will tear him a new one...

Mr_Tomahawk 08-19-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9898799)
Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 16s

Trade makes perfect sense from #Chiefs standpoint: Reid prefers speed on outside. Jenkins will give them that right away.

He is going to out-run Alex's arm.

Need Bray in there to get the ball to him downfield.

Mav 08-19-2013 10:32 AM

The best thing about this trade.

For the Chiefs, now Donnie Avery will actually see some time with the 1's

Rausch 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9898801)
Ashes to ashes. Bust for bust.

Current thread winner...

FlaChief58 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 9898798)
Now CP will think Baldwin is the second coming of Jerry rice

Knowing our luck, he'll be a first ballot HOFer

aturnis 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

Delete
 
Nothing to see here.

Mav 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9898807)
He is going to out-run Alex's arm.

Need Bray in there to get the ball to him downfield.

No he isn't. Opposing teams proved that playing him physical, and he goes no where. You touch him and he falls over.

ChiTown 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9898811)
Why isn't this on the front page?

@TJCarpenterWHB: Chiefs have traded Jon Baldwin for AJ Jenkins of the 49ers. Thus ridding the organization of the largest reminder of Scott Pioli.

ROFL

DJ's left nut 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 9898788)
If they really wanted this trade, ask for a 1 round drop in the alex smith trade compensation owed

I see nothing beneficial w/ bringing jenkins aboard

I'm already in the 'let andy reid coach up alex smith/dexter mccluster/knile davis' camp, just don't know how many tents I can pitch in the same campsite ya know?

I don't think the Niners 'really wanted' this trade.

We both hard parts we knew we weren't going to use. SF wasn't going to give anything of real value for Baldwin.

The only question I have is what Jenkins cap figure is. Is it possible the Chiefs could've been better off just releasing Baldwin outright and using the case space on Brandon Lloyd?

I figure the Chargers will price him out of our bracket, but there are still a couple of moves (like extending Berry) that could free up some space for a run at Lloyd. But it seems fairly apparent at this point that the Chiefs aren't interested.

The Chiefs weren't going to get anything for Baldwin. They weren't going to get SF to trade down from the 2nd to the 3rd. They were unlikely to be able to get a 6th for him. His value is essentially zero so they flipped him for another lottery ticket.

Again, changing mis-matched parts is generally a good idea. If it doesn't work out, you're not out anything. The opportunity cost on a Baldwin trade is almost certainly nothing more than a 6th/7th round pick.

ChiefsCountry 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

Q

Rausch 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

Herp...

Mr. Laz 08-19-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9898808)
The best thing about this trade.

For the Chiefs, now Donnie Avery will actually see some time with the 1's

Avery and Jenkins definitely allow us to put more speed on the field

9er guy 08-19-2013 10:34 AM

AJ Jenkins is mediocre at best. Didnt get on the field very much last year.

Dropped his only target last season.

Fumbled his first catch in preseason this year.

Gimme Baldwin. We have nothing to lose at this point. If he has anything at all in the tank, it should be better than what we've gotten from AJ.

Which is nothing.

Skyy God 08-19-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9898767)
Speed isn't just about running fast straight ahead.

Jenkins is much quicker in and out of his cuts and can get into the intermediate zones better. If you have him run a drag route from the slot, for instance, he'll likely be able to get and keep his separation as he crosses the middle (with Smith hitting him on the rollout as he clears the interior linebacker).

Baldwin couldn't get that separation; the nickle CB could break right on him and stay with him all the way.

We can use his speed.

This. Jenkins was significantly faster than Baldwin in the shuttle and 3-cone.

aturnis 08-19-2013 10:34 AM

Dammit.I looked twice. How did this happen?

jd1020 08-19-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9898811)
Why isn't this on the front page?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ELFl2_1q7D...if_serious.jpg

BlackHelicopters 08-19-2013 10:34 AM

Two threads, two hookers, and blow. Day is complete.

mcaj22 08-19-2013 10:35 AM

one or two of these UDFA no named WRs (Richardson, Hammond, etc) is definitely going to make the team now based on their speed

Brock 08-19-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9898819)
AJ Jenkins is mediocre at best. Didnt get on the field very much last year.

Dropped his only target last season.

Fumbled his first catch in preseason this year.

Gimme Baldwin. We have nothing to lose at this point. If he has anything at all in the tank, it should be better than what we've gotten from AJ.

Which is nothing.

We feel the same way.

Mr. Laz 08-19-2013 10:35 AM

Qlicious

Mav 08-19-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9898805)
Baldwin can't catch and gets clowned by smaller and less talented CB's.

The NFCW DB's will tear him a new one...

Week two is going to be rough on Baldwin......Browner will kill him.

jspchief 08-19-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9898812)
No he isn't. Opposing teams proved that playing him physical, and he goes no where. You touch him and he falls over.

Sounds like Baldwin

Ming the Merciless 08-19-2013 10:35 AM

http://i.imgur.com/n3vwrv4.gif

MMXcalibur 08-19-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9898819)
AJ Jenkins is mediocre at best. Didnt get on the field very much last year.

Dropped his only target last season.

Fumbled his first catch in preseason this year.

Gimme Baldwin. We have nothing to lose at this point. If he has anything at all in the tank, it should be better than what we've gotten from AJ.

Which is nothing.

Flip the names. Same damn thing.

KCUnited 08-19-2013 10:36 AM

I'm assuming no fullback was available?

In58men 08-19-2013 10:36 AM

We got ****ed again by the 49ers.

Imon Yourside 08-19-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9898819)
AJ Jenkins is mediocre at best. Didnt get on the field very much last year.

Dropped his only target last season.

Fumbled his first catch in preseason this year.

Gimme Baldwin. We have nothing to lose at this point. If he has anything at all in the tank, it should be better than what we've gotten from AJ.

Which is nothing.

LMAO you will hate Baldwin more, he looks like he could be the best receiver in the NFL but is probably the worst.

FlaChief58 08-19-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9898819)
AJ Jenkins is mediocre at best. Didnt get on the field very much last year.

Dropped his only target last season.

Fumbled his first catch in preseason this year.

Gimme Baldwin. We have nothing to lose at this point. If he has anything at all in the tank, it should be better than what we've gotten from AJ.

Which is nothing.

Boy, are you going to be disappointed.....

9er guy 08-19-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9898805)
Baldwin can't catch and gets clowned by smaller and less talented CB's.

The NFCW DB's will tear him a new one...

Yea man. There's some STUD db's in the NFCW. He better bring a lunch cause he's not going up against Eric Weddle or Stanford Rout.

BlackHelicopters 08-19-2013 10:36 AM

Harbaugh will turn Baldwin into an all pro.

9er guy 08-19-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 9898840)
Boy, are you going to be disappointed.....

Can't be anymore dissapointed than I am in AJ.

Mav 08-19-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9898818)
Avery and Jenkins definitely allow us to put more speed on the field

does do that.

ShowtimeSBMVP 08-19-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9898835)
We got ****ed again by the 49ers.

:hmmm: NOT REALLY.

BigMeatballDave 08-19-2013 10:38 AM

Well, bye

9er guy 08-19-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9898842)
Harbaugh will turn Baldwin into an all pro.

He revived Alex Smith's career. You gotta think anything is possible with this guy.

mcaj22 08-19-2013 10:38 AM

Where are all the Baldwin defenders now that give him a pass every season

jumping off the wagon finally? willing to eat crow? come and get it

jd1020 08-19-2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9898814)
The only question I have is what Jenkins cap figure is. Is it possible the Chiefs could've been better off just releasing Baldwin outright and using the case space on Brandon Lloyd?

Do you gain cap by cutting players with guaranteed money?

Baldwin had like 2.Xm in cap this year but 3.Xm in dead money.

Mr. Laz 08-19-2013 10:39 AM

going by Dorsey's track record, we will find out later today that we actually trade Bowe to the 49ers for Jenkins.

Mav 08-19-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9898850)
He revived Alex Smith's career. You gotta think anything is possible with this guy.

double edged sword.

Alex Smith was a very hard worker. No one even the haters can dispute that. From all accounts, Baldwin is a lazy piece of crap.

And, It wasn't like Harbaugh was able to turn Aj Jenkins into a stud. No matter how good the coach is. There is a matter of want that goes with it.

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9898728)
Peter King's sources say that Jon Baldwin has everything it takes to be a Pro Bowl receiver.

Physically, not mentally.

Ming the Merciless 08-19-2013 10:41 AM

meh

they both look like turds

I just wonder who is better at polishing turds.,....If mother****ing Harbaugh turns Baldwin into a stud I will cry.


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