Yeah I don't doubt the kid could be a nuisance. And there's people that would no doubt just let them outside with little supervision. She just went the low road with the letter instead of maybe talking to the people.

in some countries you need to pay extra for that.

I'm thinking that I probably wouldn't know that there is something wrong with the dude and he probably would have been punched in the face.

Yeah, I don't doubt that the kid is capable of being a significant nuisance. I also know that sometimes the parents of these kids are so locked into the idea that their child deserves to have a normal existence, they lose sight of how their child's behavior impedes other people's abilities to have normal lives. It's a really complicated subject when you dig deeper.

That said, the letter shows a complete lack of class, compassion, and manners. It may not be criminal, but I probably wouldn't mind seeing this person outed so they could face a degree of public shaming. A lesson hard learned about which thoughts get shared and which thoughts stay internalized.

The bottom line is that people who treat people the way this does deserve to have a special needs child.

Karma is a bitch. Right JasonsAuto?

Dude what the hell? JasonsAuto was against the lady that wrote the letter. Can you read?

I'm not sure but I think he may be stalking sauto over some previous post that apparently only he remembers.

Who's this, bugeater's pet hemmorhoid again?

One of my dad's best friends had a kid that was severely reeruned like this. He was a few years older than me, and big for his age anyway. God I hated going over to visit them. He had a sister that kept him at bay for the most part, but he would just do.... anything. He might slobber on you - he might punch you. He might break a lamp, or shit his pants. All while laughing, moaning or screaming - he was never quiet. I don't know how they kept sane.

I assume a lot of the people riding their moral high horses in this thread have never had to deal with one of these people in real life. It isn't exactly fun.

Obviously most of them are kept in their cages in the real world, amiright?

I'm going to hell ...

Disagreeing with a person telling a neighbor to euthanize their child isn't what I would call a "moral high horse".

this

No shit, dumbass. I didn't say it was.

But would you want to live across the street from that kid?

No way jose. I wouldn't be writing letters though. I'd just move because that's all that can really be done. They can't really do anything to make them be quiet...

No doubt, except that some people might be intimidated by this particular guy's size.

In this case, I think the guy who got pissed on was at least somewhat aware that my friend's son was a special needs case so that probably helped.

She has the right to sell her house and GTFO.

She also has a right to a reasonable level of peacefulness in the neighborhood. There's a balance to be made here and we don't know the whole story. I think we all agree, for the most part, that the letter was over-the-top.

Yeah, pretty much. I don't blame the woman for being pissed, but the letter was stupid and ultimately pointless.

autistic guy in this case would've gotten a bar of soap jammed down his throat and a good kick to the nutsack

Hey everybody, tooge likes to pick on reeruned people! :p

plus, he probably figured he was reerun strong and didn't want to mess with him. The biggest key to reerun deterrence is to make sure that you stick and move. They are strong, but not very fast

In the video, they said they keep him in the back yard so he could play with his balls (no homo) because he would otherwise run off. He was also only there for the summer so his Grandmother could watch him.

So unless he was out there raising hell at an unreasonable time, the bitch overreacted and should take her own advise and move into a trailer in the woods

only the ones from DC on CP

Ok, just so I can better understand; which opinions expressed in this thread were the "moral high horse" ones?

You're not Frazod.

I was in a store once and a small child (maybe 6 or 7) walked up to me and clamped onto my arm with his teeth. No discussion, no provocation, no warning. I was just standing there comparing potato chips and the next thing I know a small child is biting my arm. I was wearing a winter coat so he never came close to breaking skin, but there was an awkward moment or two while I was deciding what to do about it. His mother came running over and unclamped him, apologizing.

If you know the person is a special needs case, it certainly makes a difference in how you interpret it. It's probably pushing the limit to be urinated on, but at least he was in the shower already.

That's a tough cross for your friend to bear. I recognize that one has a love for one's children that is unique, but at the same time you don't go into it planning to be a caregiver to a large adult who can't control his behavior.

Regardless of how you feel about the topic, the letter itself is psychotic and about as asshole of a thing as you can say to the parent of a special needs child.

It sounds like you have a lot of experience fighting people with developmental issues.

This.

Including himself.

That post wasn't even funny.

The letter is bad for sure but, there really are people on this forum that stoop to that level regularly and that's why this thread is funny. Some of you guys are like, "It's an outrage!" but, have treated people the same way for years.

Nope, I'm just a sasquatch lurking in the woods waiting patiently to strike.

Don't **** with the sasquatch! ROFL

Do you know Kris Wilson?

I'd bet the writer wasn't a mother in the neighborhood but some basement dwelling neckbeard doing things for the lulz

My son is 21, 6'4 and 285 lbs.....and is a gentle giant. And he has Apserger's with additional emotional issues that complicate matters worse. But we have controlled his behvior in a manner as to teach him what is acceptable and what is not. The issue lies in knowing the boundaries of when an adult child is capable of functioning in a social environment and when they need to be placed in a group home that can best help them live as normal a life as they can.

It sounds as if your dad's friends didn't know when to take the next steps.

Sounds like this wasn't the first time for this type of behavior....and the parent took a chance he wasn't prepared for.

And your first paragraph....sorry but I disagree. There is no type of explanation for writing a letter like this person did.

EVER.

Pretty much the entire thread. I'm not as easily manipulated as others when it comes to heartstring-tugging news stories.

I also notice you didn't answer my question. But that's okay - we already know the answer, don't we?

Keep in mind, this was 40 years ago, and I only interacted with the kid (who is still alive and in his 50s now) a handful of times. He wasn't malicious in any way, and that was obvious. But he was definitely out of control. I can't really say whether they could or couldn't have done better.

I'm still friends with his sister. He's living in some sort of home now, and apparently other than getting older he really hasn't changed at all.

I read part of a thread on this on a Snopes FB post. There were a bunch of people on there claiming the letter writer should be charged with a hate crime. :facepalm:

Orwell was an optimist.

I'm going to go with the "most people don't have an effing clue what it is like to live with a Special Needs child" explanation for many of the responses on here.

And making light of the situation shows, for the moment, you are showing a lack of class.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever asked the sister about it? What is her opinion on growing up with the brother? Did she become accustomed to it and didn't think about it, or did she spend her entire youth fending him off, to borrow your words?

And was she older or younger than the brother?

I assumed it was rhetorical.

No. I would not want to live in a neighborhood with a troublesome mentally handicapped person. Or a neighborhood with high crime. Or on a dangerous road, etc.

No one wants to live in a neighborhood with difficult neighbors. But that's so far removed from justification for that letter, I'm not even sure how you think it enters the discussion.

Sorry if I offended you. I do unto others as they do to me.

I know exactly what you mean and that's why I have said some things here.

What I said has nothing to do with you but, I meant exactly what I said about JasonsAuto.

People post really stupid opinions with terrible use of logic to you?

Times have changed and with it comes better options for parents. This thread is a little more "close to home" because it touches on so many things about parents with Special Needs kids.

Most parents are so emotional when it comes to whom they believe can best provide solutions for the care of their special needs child. And the older they become the harder the choice of what the options are.

Imagine being in your late 50's and the parent of an adult special needs child...what are your options for your child when you leave the moral coil?

You don't have to answer if you don't want, but how do you handle it? It sounds like your son is not a problem, but how do you handle him on a day to day basis? Does he just go everywhere with you or your wife? Do you have someone to help you? Do you get (or need) respite or day care for him, or is he independent enough that he can function somewhat independently?

It's not like I shouted out **** YEAH over the letter. The letter was rude and ignorant, and I've already said that. But do I understand what could push the bitch over the edge in this situation? Absolutely.

I know I got your labia all enflamed over in the DC thread, and in your typical bitchy fashion you are gushing estogen all over the board because of it, but this is really stupid, even for you.

I don't mind answering....

90% of the time you would see my son in public and think nothing of it. He is well-mannered, respectful and everything a man could ask of a son. He loves his parents, is overly-protective when it comes to his little sister, and he and his dog are inseparable.

It's the 10% of the time that his emotional issues take over that my wife and I have to handle. And at his size, sometimes "handling" becomes more about mental than physical.

We have always taught him what is acceptable behavior...although recently he has taken to using more profanity than what I find acceptable when trying to get "attention". I don't think that is anymore different than a normal 21 y/o so I don't get highly angry when he does it...I just try to be more paternal and remind him that if offends his mom.

At times we leave him home alone because he is independent enough to handle himself without needing us. Other times when we will be gone for a period of time he will accompany my wife and I. And most of the time he just sits in the car/truck reading because that is what he really likes to do.

Our dilemma...no different than any other parent in a situation like us is this...what do we do with him when we are incapable of taking care of him?

There will come a day when my wife and I can no longer care for him, much less ourselves. And that is what I have to prepare for. And it kills me.

It was a joke of course. And I thought is was funny Dr. Cephalic Trauma.

I think at that point.....you bank on two things....

1. Knowing that you've raised him right and giving him the tools to succeed.
2. Making sure that you've set up a good support system of friends and relatives around to help him out.

I can't say that I know what you're going through in this particular thing....but I do have a 6 year old daughter with epilepsy....and there are particular struggles dealing with that.

Interesting. The reading thing seems to be a nice solution.

The long-term solution does seem like it would be difficult. It seems like there are fewer options now where a person like your son can be in a "cared for" setting, and that must be worrisome. My wife and I were just talking about that the other day in the context of someone we know.

Coincidentally, I'm talking now with a health care client that is interested in expanding their long-term care practice for people with mental illness or other mental issues, and I was a little surprised by their interest in it. However, they get Medicaid funding and think they have a good niche in serving this population, so they're intrigued. (However, they're looking at bringing my firm aboard to figure out what the fully loaded cost is so they can see if the funding really is adequate or not.)

Yeah, I knew you were joking. But I have no experience fighting, so if you want to fight at a CP bash at some point I'm up for it. I need to learn, and I haven't heard back from TinyEvel on my invitation to fight him at a CP Bash.

You just have to guarantee to fix any dental issues that you cause.

lol at the irony of this bitchy post...

Heh. I'm a lover not a fighter. Since you aren't a hot female, and since I'm married, I can't give you loving lessons at this time. We will just have to settle for a beer.

There are fewer and fewer options for group homes for Adult Special needs....and even the ones that are out there are suspect in nature. There is nothing worse than worrying about what will happen to your child when you are gone.

Good luck to your client....with the new health care insurance reform coming next year he is in for some real fun.

Everyone is afraid to fight me. I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm the toughest SOB on Chiefsplanet.

(Um, don't let mohillbilly see this post, okay?)

You have to play the hand you were dealt. It's good that you don't hide from it and you own it. That takes courage and I respect that.

1) This one we are comfortable that we have done our best.
2) This one we are just plain out of luck. It's too much to ask friends to be support for your special needs child when you are gone, and quite frankly my family (all my family) has been little to no support. Most of the time they are no more than interested spectators willing to give advice that has little to no foundational intelligence. The only thing I am sure I will be able to count on is my daughter....she says (even at her present age as a Senior in HS) that any man who loves her and wants to marry her must understand she will never abandon her older brother.

As for your situation.....my heart goes out to you my friend. Your situation is much more tough to deal with.

Thank you....

He is my son....and to me my hero. Those of us who pass for what we all call normal struggle sometimes just to live in this world. He does it with an afflication that few come to try and understand and keep it at arms length. And he does it with a grace and compassion for others that make me believe that in reality I am the 'lucky one'.

And what's to say that he isn't the true "normal" person and in reality I am the Special Needs person.

you are. you and mohillbilly and that guy that works on the ship on the mississippi river. Lets arange a cage fight for the three of you at opening day!

Sorry, but that's just too extreme for me. I think what I said was completely reasonable and I don't see any reason to disagree with it. I think it's worth understanding the letter in context instead of going off half cocked on the basis of one side of the story (not that you are doing this). If you read my post as somehow excusing the nastiness of the letter, you misread it.

I saw this linked on a social networking site earlier. I was hoping it was fake.

Reading this makes me remember a song lyric from long ago.

"**** slitting her throat, cut that bitches head off."

OJ?

Is that from a Nickelback song?

my instance is kind of on the other end of the spectrum. instead of a child, it's my great uncle. 86 years old, with some type of learning disability. never went to school. lived with his mother in the Ozark mountains until she died in 1972. the only sibling he had that would have anything to do w/him was my grandmother(his sister), who took him in, and started taking care of him.

when my grandmother died, I promised her that I would take care of ernie as long as he lived. I moved him and what little he had into an apartment on our property we had made to stay in while we built our house. it's actually the first time in his life where he has freedom to make some of his own decisions. he fixes his own coffee, breakfast and lunch. he'll either eat supper with us, or we take something over for him.

as far as I know, he's never actually had any type of studies done that would explain what type of disability he has. can't read or write(except his name). I have to set his microwave every day at 60:00. I have different color pieces of tape on his tv remote buttons so he can go back and forth between the only to channels he watches. take him to doctors, monitor his medicines, etc. he gets confused very easily.

ernie doesn't have a mean bone in his body. he gets up every day and goes outside to work on something...anything. he does get depressed in the winter when he's stuck inside.

he loves people. lives for when our kids/grandkids come down. will talk to and trust anyone(which is frightening at times).

ernie was the youngest of 7 children. they've all passed away but him. he does have numerous nieces and nephews that we never hear from. I don't expect them to offer to keep him...****, I wouldn't know what to do without him around. but I know it would mean a lot to him just to know they were thinking about him.

craziest thing about ernie is, he can play guitar, banjo, mandolin, harmonica beautiful...I can sit and listen to him forever. no lessons...just sits there and works at it until it makes music. I took him to a weekly sr citizens music get-together where they take turns playing a song and everyone jumps in, but had to stop because he wasn't playing the way they did.

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Who are you? I'm your MFing consience.

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What two channels does he watch?

And interesting story, by the way. With older folks like that, one wonders how diagnosis and treatment differed in their youth from today's world.

In my grandmother's family, two of the eight (or nine) kids had mental issues. I never met them, but looking at old photos one clearly had Down's Syndrome, but the other sounds like your uncle. He looked pretty normal but just had a very low level of functioning. The two of them lived together in the family's log cabin until they died sometime in the 60s or 70s, and I think other siblings would just keep an eye on them from a distance since they all lived in the vicinity.

I've seen this movie. Don't worry friend, it has a happy ending.

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Also....I had no idea that Warren turned into Dan Dority
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ernie worked cutting timber and working in a sawmill for awhile...says he was lucky to work there cause he was able to pay doctor bills when his dad got sick and died. I know he worked some in the lead mines down there too. they did the log cabin deal also...no water in the house, wood cookstove, newspaper for wallpaper, etc. If your grandmother was from around where you grew up, it wasn't too far from Ernie's home place.
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All of you who say you wouldn't want to live next to a special needs child please remember that Kansas is one of the few states that doesn't mandate insurance to pay for autism treatment. It can make the difference between a child that is a terror and one that is a joy. Unfortunately it costs an extreme amount of money and people cant afford it. I know one family that spends $6k a month (Hes a doctor).

The issue will come up again, call your congressman and help these families.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/08...or-autism.html

http://www.autismspeaks.org/advocacy...surance-reform

Wait didn't you rearrange some guys grill at a little league game recently? And not with dental appliances? The CP never forgets...

All good points.

I'm going to tell this story because I want other people to think about doing this; someone inspired me; this wasn't my idea and I'm not patting my own back.

A couple of weeks ago I was in the store and there was a 30 something woman, exhausted, shopping with her mother who had tourettes...very loud and non-sensical and drawing looks from all over the store where ever they went; some with scorn, some with sympathy...but all of it embarrassing I'm sure.

It just so happens I was checking out the same time as her although she was several stands away (you couldn't mistake where she and her mom were...it was non-stop). My stand was near the flowers, and I told the clerk to "Hold on a sec" and I went over and bought a dozen roses. After I checked out, I waited near the exit and gave the roses to the woman as she was coming around the corner with her mother. I told her "Your Mom would want you to have these" and handed them to her. She was shocked, didn't say a word and I left.

Again, someone else did something like this that inspired me and I took advantage of it at the right moment...I hope this reaches some of you and you take the opportunity like this and maybe dumbasses like this neighbor lady will become less and less common.

Post this in the humanity thread where it belongs.


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That is boss. You win the intranets for today.

How about **** you bitch?

You don't know a thing about me. Better just quit now pussy
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You better stop at this point.
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some children have no other way of expressing themselves. If the child is disabled would you rather them just not let it out of the house? I'm sure its not outside in the middle of the night wailing...
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only bitch round here is you, pussy.
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