The 1.2 and 1.4 were Right Tackles. The 1.7 was a Guard, which is below Right Tackle in positional value. And between Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, and Chip Kelly, these are all Offensive-minded coaches. Fisher isn't playing Right Tackle now because he's incapable of playing Right Tackle. He's playing there because the Chiefs have a viable Left Tackle option for now.

And some are starting to argue that the Right Tackle is every bit as important as the Left Tackle.

WILL be. WILL.

There is no WILL.

Fisher was drafted as not the best player at his position. According to the experts his floor is lower than other players drafted after him, but his potential is greater. He COULD be better. But that is going to require work and development. AKA a project, dumbass.

Where is Luke Joeckel playing this year Fish?

Where is Lane Johnson playing this year?

Oh snap 3 of the top 4 players drafted are playing RT this season.


LMAO

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So you're saying he's not good enough to beat out the left tackle we already had on the team, that was drafted lower?

That's not convincing.. Either he's good enough to play LT out of the gate, and should have no trouble beating the current LT, or he needs development before being able to take the position. That's how it works...

Did you read what I wrote? It had nothing to do with any of the other QBs in the 2013 class.

Also, to your assertion that a 1.1 QB must be ready to step in and make the players around him better from Day 1...

Not many guys like that between Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. I still maintain that Luck was so good and so ready that it is skewing many's expectations for a QB taken at 1.1.

That QB doesn't have to be perfect and ready to start Game 1. Look at the guys taken 1.1 at QB between Manning and Luck. There are a lot of guys in there who were not ready to do what you claim a 1.1 QB must do.

Newton is about the only one who started right away and was really good, and he's a really unique player. The other effective guys either took some time to get ready to start (Eli, Palmer, Vick). Most of the ones asked to start right away were terrible right away (Alex Smith, Carr, Couch, Stafford). Two of those guys eventually became better.

Fisher was named Right Tackle soon after being drafted. And that story would be different if the Chiefs were able to move Albert.

There was no point in moving Albert to Right Tackle. Let's not make this a story of Fisher being unable to beat out Albert in a fair LT competition. It was clear the Chiefs were going Fisher at RT, Albert at LT right after the draft. The Chiefs also haven't committed to Albert beyond this year, so there's obviously still a likelihood that Fisher could play Left Tackle in 2014.

Some people must be JITP at the thought of Bray turning into a decent QB. Of course, it would be awesome to strike gold, but winning the lottery doesn't automatically make the 'first round OT/no QBs in the first 3 rounds' strategy a valid one.

The entire draft is going to go down as one of the weaker draft classes of this century. You usually get one player in a draft that is supposed to be a clear cut difference maker. This one didn't have one.

At the time of the draft im saying. Im sure someone will stand out in 3 years and then there will be a debate much like about the 2009 draft, of OH, HOW COULD WE OF PASSED ON THAT GUY.

Ive been doing that with the browns for years.

WE PASSED ON WILSON FOR WEEDEN? MORONS!!!

It happens a lot lately.

Joe Staley was the 22nd pick in the draft, Anthony Davis was the 11th, and Anthony Davis is now considered one of the best right tackles, and Joe Staley one of the left.

Michael Oher was drafted as the Left Tackle heir apparent to Ogden, he is now their right tackle.

Shrugs. It happens. As long as Fisher doesn't end up at guard, and he is a solid RT for his career, no one should complain. 10-12 years of not having to worry about a tackle is a nice problem to have.

Bray>>>>>>> Daniels!!

The only reason you don't want to make this a story of Fisher being unable to beat our Albert, is because it defeats the argument. If Fisher was clearly a better tackle right now, he'd be there. But he's not. He may develop into that player. But clearly right now he is not. I certainly hope that he develops into a HOF lineman. That would be great and I'd have no complaints about his draft spot.

You know that the plan was to trade Albert but once they couldn't it made sense to leave the existing LT at LT.

You are being argumentative just for the sake of it.

Is Joekel a project? He is playing RT this season and appears to be needing some adjustment time as well.

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog...jaguars-opener

People on CP want to flip out over a bad game and a few TC practices by Fisher while Geno stinks up Manhattan and couldn't beat out butt fumble barring the injury.


All rookies are projects to some point. Fisher is not the project Geno is, not even close.

Agree. Tyler Bray is a much better QB than BJ Daniels.

Now now. Bj Daniels isn't bad. Daniels is a better football player than Bray.

lol.

The people already claiming Smith is a bust based on a preseason with a team that everyone knows is going to be pretty bad, really really really better hope he doesn't actually have a good season anytime soon.

No, I've never seen any proof that was the plan. There was lots of talk about lots of scenarios. Many people were also predicting that the Chiefs would put Fisher at LT from the start and move Albert to G or RT. The only thing the Chiefs have said is that they planned to play Fisher at RT.

From what I've heard, Joekel hasn't been struggling quite as much as Fisher, but it sounds like he's got some development to do as well.

I'm not flipping out about either Fisher or Geno struggling. I expected them both to need some development. Which appears to be the case, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just pointing out that Fisher is a developing player no differently than Geno.

I don't know about that; Reid seems to value both tackles equally, and with the way the defensive game in the NFL has evolved, I think he may be ahead of the curve in understanding the importance of having solid bookend tackles. It is worth noting that all four tackles in the Super Bowl were former first round picks. I hope they sign Albert to a long term deal in the offseason; we'd be set at T for a long time to come.

well that and he's a stinking pos Jet

**** geno smith
**** the ny jets
**** new york

:thumb:LMAO

LMAO

Yea there is all that too! **** Geno!

I don't for a minute think that was the plan.

I think Phat Andy meant to do this. He was always a huge "hogs" type of guy and his last 3 years in Philli he got away from that and it got his QB's murdered.

I honestly believe he wants that foundation set, redoubled, and built on a foundation the ****ing pyramids in Egypt would be proud of...

I haven't watched enough of the QBs drafted this year but from what I have seen and read Bray seems to be as good it not better than all of them. Big Andy seems to have done a great job with him to this point. And giving him almost three quarters of play last night was awesome. I think a lot of teams would have kept Stanzi on the roster for another week and wasted snaps on a guy who was going to be cut.

I no curr if anyone agrees or disagrees with me on this. I think Bray should move up and take second string reps and suit up all three qbs on game day. Daniels is what he is as a back up will always be a back up quarterback. I don't see any reason to waist valuable reps when we could be hard work at developing a prospect with talent like Bray has. Yes Bray still has a lot to prove and work ethic is one of them but so far he has shown he comes to work.

I don't think Bray is a mental case that he is made out to be (mostly deserving i think) I think he should have been taken in the second or third rounds of the draft and be given an opportunity as such. As an UDFA he got to chose his team and I think it's cool he chose us.

I think Bray could be worked in and ready to go by later this season. Not to rush him but get him prepared if he has to go in and have Chase as a safety net if the pressure is too much for Bray (as in o-line not being able to protect him). I think Bray can step up to the plate when called upon.

I would expect some errant throws but he can more than make up for those as he can move the chains and score touchdowns more frequently than the dead out in the flats passing attack Alex Smith does. 3 and outs don't do us a damn bit of good. 7 points > 3 points.

Am just stoke from what I saw Bray can do even if it was against scrubs. Green Bays quarterbacks couldn't do anything against our scrubs.

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Bray made some throws that Smith and Daniel haven't been able to make so far this preseason. He has a bright future. Hopefully he can learn to deal with pass rush. He was protected pretty well last night. A QB makes their hay on how they handle the rush.

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yes. :D


Regardless I want us to draft a qbotf next years draft too, but I don't see why Bray couldn't get an opportunity to get second string reps in practice and really work on his development. He pretty well shown he can out play Chase Daniels so I think it's a waist of time with Chase even if Chase is more game ready. Chase can step in and play back up but developing Bray will get us a lot further than Chase Daniels.

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You really know nothing about the NFL. JFC.

Tyler Bray is 21 YEARS OLD. He's had issues with maturity and has experienced social anxiety disorder. He needs TIME to develop as an athlete AND as a person.

Making him the #2 QB this season would be disastrous.

Oh bull shit. He should be taking second string practice reps at least. I don't give a ****. I know he is young and immature he very well could be better off sitting a year but I think they need work hard at developing him as much as they can during the season and not give two shits about Chase Daniels. Granted on game day an injury to Smith Chase should go in but also getting Bray ready for game day and have him suit up.

CHIEFS DONT EVEN TRY DEVELOPING QUARTERBACKS ITS ****ING BULL SHIT !

Bray has more potential than Chase Daniels so why not work with him instead?

lol, settle down boss. Bray will get a ton of work. He will run the practice squad. That is better for him than being the back up who barely gets reps during the week.

Its okay. Breathe.

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You're a moron.

because then you will be tempted to play him in a game

Tyler Bray shouldn't take the field this year at all ... even if Alex Smith gets hurt.


more than that, Bray needs a major ego check

He needs to ride the bench and eat shit for awhile so he can focus on the work and get over himself.

That may be the case. But the Chiefs aren't going to risk letting him have a growing pain meltdown on the field because of it. Not after just coming off a 2 win season. Even if Bray has more potential for the future, they're not going to blow regular season games just to get him experience for the future.

It's not like they're going to throw the guy in a locker and never hear from him again. Neither one of those guys are going to get many reps in practice now that we're into the season. It's going to be about getting Alex Smith ready every week.

THe one thing I'm most afraid of is handing this team over to Bray only to watch him go full Leaf (which I honestly believe is in him) come the regular season...

You're a douche

You don't develop every quarterback the same, though.

If Tyler Bray had shown himself to be a mature, tough, strong-minded, savvy and disciplined guy who can master a complex playbook in college, what you're describing would probably make sense for him (he also would have probably been a first-round pick, considering his physical gifts).

For a guy who has entitlement issues, a lack of common sense, who pouted and accepted NO responsibility when things went wrong, who was selfish and who didn't play well when facing adversity and who played more by feel and physical ability than study and Xs and Os work/reading a defense...
What you're describing would likely crush that guy.

There's no way unless the other two QBs get hurt. And even then they'd probably try and sign someone else. Bray's job is basically watch how Alex and Chase prepare and execute during the week, how being an NFL QB works.

I get this. I understand the fears Chiefs fans have mostly that carries from when Carl Peterson drafted Todd Blackledge. I don't even think Brodie Croyle got to start a game his rookie season. Chiefs haven't started a rookie quarterback for 30 years that I can remember. Heaven forbid we do something crazy like start a rookie quarterback and we find out what he is made of.



Tyler Bray maybe too young at 21 I get that, but I bet he would do better in year two if he got some game time playing in year one.

3rd QBs runs the scout team, they might get more actual reps than the #2.

You might be challenging RoyIII for the dumbest ****ing member of this site.

Brodie Croyle played against Pittsburgh and was absolutely horrific his rookie season. Brodie Croyle was NEVER an NFL QB.

More outright ****ing stupidity.

Smart coaches DO NOT put players in a position to fail. Smart coaches put players in a position to SUCCEED.

Starting a QB with such potential as Bray when he's clearly not ready for the responsibility, physically or mentally, would result in stunting his career.

Tony Romo sat on the bench for two and a half years in Dallas before taking the reigns. Tyler Bray needs at least two seasons of development and even then, he'll only be 23 years old.

Complete and utter bullshit.

I appreciate this & that I can live with. I still would like to see him play this year and think even garbage time would really do Bray some good. That sure wouldn't hurt a got damn thing about his development.

I know I'm just excited for what I saw last night. But **** you very much Dane.

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:p

Be excited. Just don't be ****ing stupid, which is exactly what you've suggested: Stupidity.

Best Bray advice yet...

It probably is wrong to think we can hurry his development along. I will admit that. Fact I would rather watch on Sundays Tyler Bray at quarterback this year than watch Alex Smith or Chase Daniels. That isn't to say I don't understand that waiting on that is the better route to go for his long term development. Maybe I just want to see him play and not the retreads.

I would sacrifice my selfish reasons to watch a quarterback develop in front of our eyes if it is better to hold off on that and let him develop holding a clip board and buy time before he gets any playing time. I get the reasons you all say why he should sit. I'm not against him sitting I'm just wanting to see him play because I think he would be more fun to watch.


Not stupid for me to want something even if it's dumb to do so. It's like wanting ice cream & cake before you eat dinner.

I don't disagree with anyone saying Bray needs to sit a year or two. That does sound best for him.

I am selfish and want to watch him play because I think he would be more fun to watch and see how he does make it or break it. I think he would do pretty good just getting in a few games here and there for experience. I wouldn't give him the reins either this year if it came down to it.

It's more fun to lose and to watch an immature QB crumble?

If all you care about is watching a big arm QB, just watch Brodie Croyle games. I'm sure you'll have fun watching him go 0-10.

No not at all.

I think it would be fun to watch a kid develop on the field and each game get better with the team and give the GM and coach a good reason to go forward with him or not. If we have to wait another year I'm fine with that but this year just wont be as fun.

I'm eager to see a young prospect qb take the field and develop into the franchise QB we all desire.

I'm just impatient with the process as it is.

I agree. I want to win consistently for a change. I don't care who the QB is.

Unless you're the NYJ.

Bray is so exciting to Chiefs fans. We finally have a guy that has unlimited potential and talent. And he is OUR guy for a change. He has never been anything but a Chief since he entered the pros. He picked the perfect coach to learn from. He picked the perfect QB starved town to call home. Chief fans will give this man all the time he needs to grow. This can be his team, his town if he plays it right. We waited 30 years for this so we can wait another two or three.

Bray playing well and G. Smith tanking really knits a clown suit for the "Geno at 1.1" crowd.. so far anyway

Really...you don't even know the Chiefs QB names...you are dumb

You know what? I'm just going to enjoy our ass over-teakettle acquisition in Bray, and let this shit with Geno rest until the season is underway.

Now there's a situation to envy.

The mixed motion of extremes the past 24 hours on this board has been hilarious.

We have some guys saying Bray should start TODAY, RIGHT NOW, we have others willing to give him away for a 3rd round pick, some thinking he is close to a melt down, and others who are content to let him develop.

The irony of this whole thing?

People say the Chiefs don't develop qbs, yet, they are doing just that.

Btw. To coat tail the Tony Romo thing.

Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 seasons.......

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People say the Chiefs don't develop qbs, yet, they are doing just that.

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Dude try being a Chiefs fan for more than 5 minutes before you talk about that. History suggests that he will rot away into anonymity.

I figured the start Bray shit would come up after last night. Letting him sit a year or 2 is absolutely the best thing for him. Unless there are injuries let him bake.

His footwork can look terrible at times. He needs to work on that, understand pro blitzes, get used to the pro pass rush and how tight the coverage is. Naw, keep him on bench until he is ready. Don't want to mess his head up before he even gets started.

Chiefs history?

Perhaps, but what about Andy Reid, and John Dorsey, what does their history say?

Their history says they always have a qb waiting in the wings.

Especially Reid.

That idea didn't hurt Aaron Rogers if I recall.

Bray outplayed Daniels last night by a long shot!

We don't develop QBs. Maybe under Reid we will. There's no history to suggest otherwise that we have.

Vanilllllllaaaaa Peeeeeennnniiiiiii

Ol' Hickory Penii.

Fabio yearns for one in a Jacksonville motel

Success has a lot to do with being in the right place at the right time, and I think nearly all of us pro or con Geno would say that New York wasn't only not the right place for him, but it's probably not the right place for any rookie qb. I can only imagine what it would look like right now if Bray was a Jet and Geno a second round pick here. NY media right now might be calling Bray the worst undrafted waste of a QB ever, and Geno could just as well have looked like a great 2nd round pick after feeding on Green Bay's 2nd and 3rd stringers for three quarters yesterday night. It's just circumstances and environment.

Hopefully Bray continues to look like he did. Hopefully he turns into the next Kurt Warner story and we see him here for 15 years of a hall of fame career, and he becomes the all-time face of the team. Because that would be awesome. As far as Geno goes, as big a fan as I was heading into April, the reality is that we didn't draft him, and I hate New York, so him not doing well doesn't really phase me all that much. My only investment here is wanting the Chiefs to win.

1. i'm not saying Geno is going to fail ... too early for that

2. a significant number of people around here say it all starts and end with the QB. Coaching is made by the QB ... Brady makes Belichek etc. A great QB will make his WR's and Oline better etc,etc. The Chiefs coaching didn't hurt the QB ... it was the QB's fault, all of it. If a QB can't handle a bad situation or starting from day 1 then he wasn't a Franchise QB to begin with. Don't back off now people ...

I don't care if there are injuries ... start Daniels and get another veteran.

Bray sits

You could make a case that giving Tyler Bray every chance to develop is more important than winning this year.

Anyone know how much Bray makes this year if he makes the team, assuming he will?

rookies who makes the 53-man roster will get a rookie salary of $405,000 in 2013

Nobody said that.

Eleventy....

Billion.

I hope they prove me wrong.

No where do I or anyone iirc say "I want the chiefs to trade bray for a 3rd"

The question was would you, today's take a 3rd for bray.