Who cares as long as they win.

I'm still waiting, Nancy...

He passed for 3,144 in 2011.

He was on pace for 2,800 approximately in 2012.

Reid's offense is more pass oriented and he's got better weapons in Bowe, Charles and McCluster - guys who should thrive in Reid's offense in terms of YAC. As well, Reid's Eagle teams were constantly in the top 10 in passing yards nearly every single year he was coach.

I think 3,600 to 4,000 isn't out of the realm of possibility.

In addition, when you factor in the use of Bowe and the FB/TE for Reid's offense, I think you'll see a lot of red zone pass TD's over designed running plays.

24 to 28 TD's from Smith's arm should be expected.

You don't mean Alex Smith supporters, you mean Andy Reid supporters, right?

My expectation is that ownership is trying to build a team that will win multiple Super Bowls. Don't see Alex Smith as a piece of that puzzle.

You don't mean Alex Smith supporters, you mean Andy Reid supporters, right?

Edit: I don't mean this as a stupid appeal to authority....if Andy Reid is wrong about Alex Smith, he'll fail right. Can't we all agree on that?

For a full off season?

Done.

I don't believe Smith is his long-term lover.

You know, he was two special teams fumbles away from being a starting Super Bowl QB in 2011.

And he was on that same pace in 2012 when he was sidelined with a minor injury that led to one of the stranger coaching decisions I've seen in recent memory.

(Spits on hand).

Done.

How many coaches have won a SB with their second QB? I don't know the answer. Just asking.

He's not exactly his first QB either, brah. Nor has he won a SB.

Whoever supporters. That's not what you hope to get out the QB position.

You got THAT shit right.

It's Alex Smith as Rich Gannon or bust. Either Alex Smith will run the WCO as efficiently as Rich Gannon, or Reid/Dorsey will be gone in a few years.

Losing them over Axl would be ****ing tragic for this franchise.

STFUROFL whiner tragedy.

How mad were you the last 2 seasons? Just wondering ROFL
And I am not just talking about the Chiefs, I am also talking about what Alex Smith has done in the NFL (the last 2 seasons) ROFL

So who would you suggest as a better GM/HC combo if they are fired, asswipe?

you don't get it...ROFL

I doubt it.
I think Smith is going to do well, but not quite that well.
I also think that, considering his history, Bray may very well end up busting a Kaep in his ass in a few years.

Bray has the arm but not the feet, probably why he didn't get drafted, everyone is looking for mobile QBs now.

He might even be Reid's trade bait in a few years (see Kolb) if he even sticks around, first he needs to become the backup and surpass Daniels.

I am convinced that Reid believes he can win it with Smith.
It will be up to Smith to prove him wrong.

He's 21.
My money says Two years on the bench behind Smith and tudored by Reid, a star will be born.

Yeah, I get it; your delusional ass thinks Smith can win it all. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright.

Like I said, he's not even the backup yet, furthermore he isn't very mobile.

He's the best on the roster. Deal with it.

I'm delusional when Alex Smith is at his NFL prime in regards to his experience, confidence and age... Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrright, please keep crying then ROFL

Right you know Alex Smith is #1, the other QBs on the roster aren't even starting material ROFL
ROFL the backup is Chase freaking Daniels ROFL ROFL ROFL

Tyler

more than three letters
two syllables
doesn't end in "n"

All signs point to no.

ROFLROFLROFLdelusional. And even if not, not enough talent.

This thread is funny. Rehashing all other threads. My point is that if Smith turns out to be real good he'll play like Gannon. I do think Reid is competent, and I do think Smith has physical tools on par or greater than Gannon...

It seems many on this thread are arguing that a cerebral weak-armed QB can't possibly throw for 4,000 yards in a WCO....yet.....

Who gives a shit what the trend is.

When Mobile QBs start WINNING SBs over pocket passers
You let me know.

You make me laugh ROFLROFLROFL

Have you seen Smith throw this pre season.
His arm is FAR from weak.

Defenses aren't getting any slower.

It's far from awesome as well.

I would say the closest is big ben and he's not really mobile, but good point.

I'll take closer to Trent Green than Matt Cassel for $1000 alex.

Good enough to make you whine apparently ROFL

If Smith is successful, it will be because of his brains. His arm is below-average by NFL standards.

That ride might be longer than you think, with detours at the Cassel Expressway.

Are you 12? Seriously.

That's not saying very much.

The bar is at 3144 yards 17 Td's and 5 picks.

Wrong, I am 13ROFLROFLROFL

I figured your balls hadn't dropped yet.

How do you know? Did you bench test his arms? ROFL

Neither was Joe's.

Do I really have to put a "he is not Joe" disclaimer here.

Yes, yes I do.

He has Joe's brain? ROFL

Jesus...

If I found myself at Cassel expressway I'm just getting out and walking away ala Michael Douglas in Falling Down.

For how much you whine about Alex Smith, when he hasn't even play 1 meaningful
regular season game yet for the Chiefs, we would all figured maybe 1 of your balls got stuck for whining too much over nothing? ROFLROFLROFL

LMAO

Well he did give me a hand job, but it wasn't gay.

I would say slightly above.

Did you watch the Steelers game?

How about "**** you", JR?

LOL you got some issues ROFL

I even put the disclaimer.
Which was only there because of how stupid you are...Yet STILL
Wow. just wow.

You SAID, "Joe's Arm".

Dick.

Steve Young won a Super Bowl, but I digress.

I think the historical argument is a tricky one in this situation because this the first group of QB's, that I can remember at least, that have been able to run and throw really well. I think before (With the exception of Young, and maaaaaybe McNabb) it was either or.

He made a couple of nice throws. If his arm is indeed top 10-15, combined with his 40 wonderlic...this is going to be great season.

What.....the...

WHAT??

(This is rhetorical you do not have to answer. Please dont)

He won because he was the highest rated QB in history and threw 6 tds though.
Not because he was running a pistol gimmick.

Put the pipe down. Seek help.

You might pick the pipe up. I hear it's soothing when you walk around with a stick up your ass.

Oh, and BS.
They have been drafting the shit out of mobile QBs for a cpl decades now.
Who is this first group that is better than the ones before?
Vick, McNabb, Culpepper and McNair stand up very well against Kaep, RG111, and Newton.
All smoked in the POs and SBs by pocket passers.
No one can run as fast as the ball can fly.
It helps to be able run, but SBs are won with the arm.

The correlation of wonderlic to quarterback success is non existent.

Pistol's not a gimmick. It's here to stay.

Then the QBs running it Won't be.

They will be dead inside of 3 years.

RG111 inside of 2

I'm not disputing that. I think these young guys have the arm(s) to win titles.

I don't think they're losing anything in the passing game because they can run.

Vick, McNabb and Culpepper were no where NEAR as accurate in the start of their careers as RG3 and Kaep.

I think you're showing how little you know about the pistol offense.

It's just a formation. The QB is closer to the line of scrimmage.

You can run the zone read out of the pistol but you don't have to.

You can hand the ball to the back or run play-action.

It's not like the QB has to run it EVERY time just cause you're in the pistol formation.

From 2004:

Gannon has excelled in throwing 25-to-30-yard intermediate routes with accuracy and even unleashed a few 50-to-55-yard throws. That arm strength has allowed the Raiders to lengthen some of their routes for Jerry Rice and Jerry Porter...

Somebody, please let me know when Alex begins to excel at "throwing 25-to-30-yard intermediate routes with accuracy".

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=1838981

Oh, look.

More discussion about the SAME ****ING SHIT.

I think YOU are showing your knowlege.

The pistol is more than just a formation. It is a scheme run out of that formation.
Its the pistol OFFENSE.
And that offense exposes the QB more than any other.
Tell me I'm wrong.
And BTW. We ran the pistol long before Harbaugh or Kaep even thought about San Fran

This is an article from 2004 long after Gruden and his short passing game was dust n the wind in Oak town.

Nice try though.

He's running Norvs offense with a rating in the 70s.

Fail

Chris Ault created it in 2005 so I'm not sure how you were running it long before Harbs and co.

I've watched enough Smitty to know he's no Rich Gannon.

At least Rich Gannon understands the importance of superior QB development.


The way former NFL quarterback and most valuable player Rich Gannon sees it, the development of quarterbacks in the league is seriously lacking. Says Gannon:

I don't think we're doing a good enough job developing the quarterback position. Some teams do a much better job, with the Green Bay Packers being one of the best.

There are situations in the league where the quarterback is struggling, and you say, "Who's coaching him?" It's, "Well, it's the guy who was the receivers coach two years ago, but we elevated him to the quarterback coach." Well, did he ever play the position? No. Did he ever coach the position? No. And that's part of the problem.

I remember when I played in Kansas City in the off-season we had eight-page quarterback tests. First page would be an essay; second page: multiple choice; third page: fill in the blank; fourth, fifth, sixth pages would be protections, where you had to draw up a protection versus eight different fronts. Then there would be short-answer questions. Honestly, it was about a 45-minute test. It was unbelievable.

There was some peer pressure to get a good score, because there were other quarterbacks in that room, and you didn't want to be the one to miss five or six questions on that test. Second, it allowed the coach to know who knew what and who didn't know what. What were your areas of strength, and what were the areas where you needed more work?

Packers Coach Mike McCarthy coached the quarterbacks in Kansas City at the time, and he took those tests to another level.

The first question on one test: Describe in 250 words or less our version of the West Coast offense and the Kansas City Chiefs' philosophy as it relates to playing the quarterback position. That was the question.

Another of the questions was "Describe 24 and 25 Protection — solid seven-man protection — and draw it up against these eight different fronts."

I can go into some teams right now and I can ask the quarterback, "Tell me everything you know about protection." And you'd be blown away at the guys' responses, what they don't know. You'd be just stunned.

You'd think you could ask about everything they know about protections and the guy would say, "OK, let's talk about five-man protections, then six-man protections, then seven-man protections, eight-man protections. Let's talk about slide protections. Let's talk about quarterback movement, the boots, the nakeds, the keys. Let's talk about the quick reads."

But I go in and ask some quarterbacks, "Who makes the calls at the line of scrimmage?" and it's like, "Oh, the center does that." I'm thinking, the center? He's in a three-point stance and he's got some nose tackle in front of him. He's bent over and can't even see the safeties.


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan...annon-20120129

And furthermore. It's not like the 9ers or Skins have to run the pistol to be effective. We gashed people out of traditional sets last year.

Chiefs ran some in 08.

Rich won 5 games straight w the chiefs and looked good doing it!

Are the chiefs ever going to develop their own QB? Heck the Raiders are trying w pryor atleast. Here's to another year of retreads at QB for the chiefs.

Thigpen?