What makes it worse, is that we took a Player first overall in the draft, and immediately changed his position.


IMO, that's not smart.

Why would we need more safeties?


The upgraded the te spot, it just appears they did it with glass

We could have shipped off Albert per Dorsey's master plan and had Fisher at LT.

I'm sure that would be even uglier so far. Be glad he's playing RT for the sake of Alex's spine.

Remember just a month or so ago? Knile Davis: "I vow I shall never fumble again!"

That didn't take long for him to look dumb for saying that...

A left tackle is pretty damn important to any offense. Which is what we originally thought he would be playing.

Because Kendrick Lewis has shown the unique ability to get injured on fluke plays and miss stretches of games at a time.

My hope is that Sanders Commings comes off of short term IR and steals the starting spot.

Also, two tight end sets with competent players would be preferable to one guy off the streets.

This was a pretty rough draft. Fisher has talent, and he will improve over time I'm sure. Dont think he'll end up being the best player in the draft unfortunately.

I dunno, at least he had played lt. I don't think it's any coincidence that all the lts taken and moved to rt are struggling mightily

He should be good by the middle/end of the season, and turn into a Pro-Bowler by year 2.

That's how much time I am giving him before I go nuclear.

What Pablo said- it isn't like that argument never gets flipped around.

Oh, and there's that other thing. Where Geno Smith is a ****ing QB and Eric Fisher is not. The learning curve is astoundingly higher for the QB than the RT.

And no, before you accuse me of calling Eric Fisher a bust, he's not a bust yet. He's still got time to turn this shit around. I've been saying exactly what Reid was quoted in the article-- a full offseason in the NFL training program will likely do wonders for Fisher.

If he's still sucking wastewater at this time next year though, THEN we have a problem.

Yes, but were pretty set at safety it seems.


Agree with the te though.

Really dude. He's played 3 games.

He didn't come into the draft being touted as Orlando Pace. He was a high ceiling project, an ascending player who it is hoped would develop into a top player a la Joe Staley, who came out of the same school.

Fisher was not even really a reach because he was the top player in the draft at a premium position. It wasn't like teams had him graded as a second round pick and we grabbed him a full round too early. He was a no-doubt top 10 pick.

I don't understand people holding him to this standard that makes no sense, that he should make the pro bowl this year or whatever, just because of where he was drafted. He can't help that. He's the same man whether he was drafted at #1 or #10 or anywhere else.

It's still bullshit, though, that the #1 overall pick would need a full year in the weight room and work on his technique before he's even adequate.

I'm really tired of that excuse and we've heard it about Dorsey and Jackson, two other Top Five picks.

If the guy can't play at a high level immediately, don't draft him.

And from the looks of it, Kyle Long is playing quite well. What's his excuse?

The difference being that Staley was like #26 overall, not #1.

looking at Fisher's style in college, he's a mauler in pass protection -- he's that LT guy that, once he gets his hands on you, he's got control of you and he does it the way refs like. But his techniques in getting to a guy aren't good -- he has no hand techniques for that initial contact and he plays too high, needs to bend the knees and get better lateral quickness.

We're not blaming Fisher. We're blaming Dorsey.

He and Reid's mantra in pre-draft interviews this offseason was, "the most important thing about the #1 pick is that you get it right."

Like Dane said, if Fisher needs all this time to become the great player he's supposed to be, then it wasn't worth it. Not at #1 overall. Pick another player with just as high of a ceiling and a propensity for immediately playing well. THERE'S your best player in the draft.

There is this...

And his teammates don't seem to be pushing the panic button.

The line is not only trying to develop chemistry, but are also adjusting to the new blocking scheme.

They should start to come together over the next 4-8 games.

I just sense that there are some fans who want Fisher to fail so they can say I told you so. At this point I'm pulling for every player on this team to take a step. If that happens this week the Chiefs will be 4-0. C'mon Fish, get your shit together!

No. I want Fisher to be a badass. Unfortunately he sucks right now and I am going to be pigheaded about it because I wanted Geno in the 1st and it looks like I was right.

This fanbase needs to get it through their thick skulls: take a QB in the 1st.

I would expect to see Fisher play better on Sunday, due to the ten day break and expect a another leap after the Bye week.

We shall see...

albert was excellent his rookie season...sorry it bothers you

Fisher has already ****ed up more in 3 games than albert did in a season...again, I get it, we have to pretend we're excited about using the #1 pick in the draft on the worst RT in the league...i mean, you do, I don't

but some day he'll be the 8th best RT, and then the #1 pick will totally be worth it...because that's how 'safe' picks work

it's a tangent, and I know our draft class will improve...but jesus, right now our draft picks are a complete ****ing worthless pile of shit...

If Geno Smith or EJ Manuel are even simply above average QBs for 10 years, the Fisher pick is brutally bad, provided Alex Smith checkdowns his way into playoff losses.

throw in DeAndre Hopkins, or hell even Eifert...i won't even start a fight by pointing out how much better Geno Smith is than Fisher...holy shit, talk about value picks

Yup.

Jamaal's td against the eagles was all him and Sherman. Fisher got lucky that Barwin chose the wrong hole cause he would've gotten blown out of the play. Charles takes a quick instep to cut behind Fisher, Barwin reads it and reacts to make the tackle, and Charles immediately cuts back outside of Sherman to get the td. Fisher didn't do shit.

And there's absolutely no way that Fisher is thinking, "Don't care! Results are all that matters! 3-0, bitches! I'm awesome!"

Some fans need to think a little bit more like Fisher.

Why did Albert look so lost out there? Never seen him draw that many penalties. The entire O-line looked totally unprepared.

It's unrealistic to expect a rookie who has never played the position before to have it all figured out by snap one. It takes time.

Can you imagine what Von Miller is gonna do to Eric Fisher?

Might break Derrick Thomas' single game sack record.

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;10016141
This line will get better over the course of the season but it has absolutely nothing to do with conditioning.[/QUOTE]

I agree. We're winning games in the 4th qtr due to conditioning.

That's a bullshit cop out.

Eric Fisher did play right tackle in college...one of his "positives" was that he could supposedly play either side.

It's a fair point.

I can live with a quarterback sitting and learning but any other on the position field better play from day one.

There is no excuse for a guy drafted 1.1 in 2013 to sit, IMO.

If anyone can tell me that the Chiefs would not be better off with Hopkins, Richardson, Lotuleili or Vaccaro, I would like to hear from them.

To that end, do you think Manziel will sit next year? Boyd? Bridgewater?

I don't. If I were a season ticket holder, I'd demand those guys start from day one.

I would hope that he's determined to play better. He's been comically abysmal especially in that last game.

So now you're for 'simply above average' at Quarterback?

I thought the idea was elite or nothing so you didn't end up 8-8?


you're so full of shit

I swear I remember reading somewhere that Fisher had never played RT before. If it's true that he has, that's pretty disappointing.

Yep and as bad as the Giants have played anybody who thinks we will push the Giants D line around is just flat out naive.

Oops.

LMAO

It's looking that way.

buck buchanan is technically the best first overall pick in chiefs history. sorry.

Would we be singing this song if it'd been a QB at 1.1?

No... we'd be saying he needs a year or two before we even know what we have.

Andrew Lucks first 3 games:

1win 2losses
54% completion
846 yards passing
80 yards rushing
5td 4int

Geno Smiths first 3 games:

2wins 1loss
54% comp
801 passing
78 rushing
4td 6int

Is that guy still in the NFL?

What's he going to do to Fisher, smoke him up?

Remember when the QB position was the same as the RT position?

Oh yeah, that's right.

What the **** kind of argument is that.

Fisher needs to gain 15lbs of muscle and needs to play LT. It's clear he's playing the position backwards and it's effecting his leverage....that's why he constantly gets blown off of his feet so easily. I bet if he stepped right into the LT spot he'd me miles and miles better than what he is right now simply because that's the side he's been doing it for years.

what has happened to you. Here's the play -- Fisher seals off the edge blocking two defenders. Mayock comments on Fisher's block. what the **** has happened to you.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...yard-touchdown

Yes

Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?

You're a ****ing idiot. That play was designed to block the edge with the RT and block the outside pursuit using FB. Elementary stretch play.

Well then I think we're in luck, because Fisher will be playing LT next year.

Does this really need explained?

Seriously?

No one is calling fisher a bust, he's played 3 games ffs. It will be at least 2 years before the guy is declared one thing or another.

I am a season ticket holder. I don't want to rush a quarterback that could kick ass for a decade. Do the Kurt Warner/Eli route or Brees/Rivers. You can win some games, let them learn the game and then roll later in the year with them.

The only thing Fisher has done so far this season is bounce off the ground

Who called Eric Fisher a bust?

Can you read? He's just played piss poor in the first three games and you can't take away any sort of inspiration that he'll develop into a quality tackle from these performances. It's not over for the guy. He can still be good. The track record so far suggests he was a mistake.

Since you're talking about Geno Smith here; I'll just say he's shown some rookie mistakes. He's made some really dumb decisions that have cost his team the game. He's also shown spots of brilliance that make you remember why he was even in the discussion at 1.1 in the first place. Fisher has not.

He gets more time to develop because he plays the most important position in the NFL. Fisher doesn't. He's supposed to play a position where he can step in from day one and be a strong contributor. He isn't asked to do the sort of things a QB is. It's that simple.

Because we keep wasting 1sts on combine/workout warriors and not productive players.

I'm glad Poe seems to have turned the corner but reaches like him and Baldwin are why we were where we were...

I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.

I don't think nfl teams think the same way as your last paragraph states per say

He was the first overall pick of the draft. He hasn't lived up to that as of yet. It's ok to say that.

CP tends to hate players that play like shit, so yeah.

If he starts playing like he belongs in the league then it will stop.

RT isn't a glamour position. If he does his job well, he probably won't even be noticed by most fans. If he does poorly, he's going to get lambasted. Them's the breaks when you're a tackle in this league.

It's not his fault that our GM decided a RT from a D1AA school was worth the number one overall. He's going to be forever linked to that pick, though. There's just no getting around it.

It's why guys like Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder get an exceptionally long leash. QB's just get more time to develop and mature. ESPECIALLY highly drafted QB's.

but Fisher wasn't a reach. He more than likely would have been top 5 even if we'd been elsewhere in the draft.

Baldwin was picked at the bottom of the first round, so I don't know how terrible that is. It's not comparable to whiffing on a Tyson Jackson type of pick.

The two biggest success factors in the NFL today are Head Coach and Quarterback. If you don't have those, nothing else really matters.

I think the reason why we've mostly been a bottom feeder for the last decade is because we haven't had either one of those until this offseason. It wasn't because we missed on a DE 5 years ago.

Belichick and Newsome whiff on picks too.

Highly drafted players, not just qbs get that.

Eric Fisher will get every chance in the world to prove he doesn't suck. He could blow goats for the next two years straight; and he's still out there starting his third season.

He's this regime's first pick. He's the number one overall pick. He'll get his shot to prove he can be an adequate tackle. No doubt about that.

I just know that myself personally; and a huge percentage of the fan base view a RT as an incredibly safe pick. If you draft a RT; then he shouldn't need some sort of lengthy transition period. He should just come in and be able to play at a decent to good level and progress from there.

Fisher has come in and under-performed by an incredible margin. Didn't expect that from the guy our GM deemed the best college player available.

Game, set, match.

Trent Green was an above average QB. Joe Flacco is an above average QB.

I don't have some mystically high standard for QB play. I just want another Trent Green.

Right... all I am saying is, why write him off or hold him to a different standard because he hasn't been effective immediately? He made the biggest jump in the level of competition he's facing of anybody we've added in the draft in recent years.

He developed pretty steadily at the collegiate level but this is a whole different ballgame. It was always going to take time.

That's the breaks. It's not necessarily his fault, but he was the first pick if the draft, that's what happens.

Well, there's that whole pesky 1.1 thing.

Where our GM and HC prattled on and on about getting the right guy at that pick. We can act like the fact that he was the 1.1 pick isn't a big deal; and he's just another highly drafted guy. But it isn't true. It never will be.

It's not really fair to him. He didn't decide to be drafted at 1.1 anymore than Tyson Jackson decided to be drafted at 1.3. But those guys are going to be forever tied to their draft spots, and the fact that they were the first picks for their respective regimes.

We all trusted our new GM and this regime to be better at drafting than the old one. Even more so when they go the "safe" route and take a RT at that pick. Which means most of us would like to see their first draft effort look like an NFL player. He hasn't yet. That's concerning.

Way too early to write Fisher off.

Hell, the entire line, especially the interior, has been shit this year.

The Chiefs could have had ANY draft eligible player in the entire world. They took Eric Fisher. He looks like a slapdick through three games. This is CP; where we melt down and over-react.

Are some of you really that surprised at the backlash this guy is getting?

I don't think anybody is honestly writing the guy off yet. He still has plenty of time to find his game; I think most of us just expected quite a bit more out of the guy at this point.

I'm a bit dissatisfied that he hasn't been better, but not terribly worried about it yet. I'm hoping the entire line will gel and hit their stride soon. We need better holes for Charles in the running game. The run blocking almost seems worse than the pass blocking so far.

How hard is this for you to understand? Seriously. :spock:

QBs are different than RTs. They're worth infinitely more.

When you're drafting at 1.1, if you can get an eventual stellar QB who requires 1-2 years of patience and on-field growth, you take that. Because it's a ****ing QB.

When you're drafting at 1.1 and you're faced with the option of drafting a RT who requires the same amount of patience and rookie frustration in order to become just as good at his position, you're much better off looking for a different player at a different position.

Please tell me what you don't understand. It's very important that you get this.

I... don't know what the hell you're talking about. What the **** has happened to you?

Yeah, lucky us :shake:

i am surprised. He's a freaking rookie tackle. He is going to get better every single game. Along the way, he's going to make mistakes. There's little question that he has the requisite physical and mental traits and drive to improve.