Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10284036)

He was inactivated for poor performance. Any talk of it having to do with race is silly. Shanahan says its because he's worried about him getting hurt in the last few games and missing out on another full offseason. He says off seasons are valuable to the growth of a young QB.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10284073)

Well they were going to bench Geno too so it must be a black thing, it couldn't be a playing like shit thing.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10284077)

I think part of it is to showcase Cousins as well and try to recoup some of those picks they gave to the Rams.

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10284079)

Where's the uproar over the benching of Pryor in OAK?

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10283906)

No one said Cam was a me-first guy. They were saying he let his emotions get the best of him and was acting childish in media interviews.

No one has ever said RGIII was a me-first guy. Ever. Not even now.

He's just playing like $3it...

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10284084)

There you go.

People wanting something to happen get what they want and they have a chance to pimp Cousins as worth a 2nd rounder.

Shanny has always been in love with trading players and their defense is ****ing horrible...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10284087)

If that were the case I'd agree that Michael Irvin is full of shit.

It's not been the case. Many commentators and fans are making this oddly personal with RGIII. They are saying he's a me-first diva. Prior to his struggles he was seen as a great teammate and a team-first guy. The moment he started to struggle, people suddenly started calling him a prima-donna.

I don't think he's changed as a person. He was considered a warrior and a leader when he was playing well. Suddenly his character's being called into question when he's struggling.

It's strange and it's not something you see happen in the media for most guys. When Cassel was awful, people weren't calling him an entitled shitheel. That's what people are doing with RGIII and I don't think it's even remotely fair; that's not been who he's been as a person or player throughout his college career and it isn't who he was last year when he was playing well.

Again - the root cause is that he's playing like shit, but lots of guys play like shit without having attacks on their character. I think the media has largely taken an oddly venomous approach to RGIII this season and I think it's definitely fair to question why.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10284094)

Based on the Schaub and Alex trades I think he'll bring back 2 2nds.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10283956)

It's kind of funny that Kaepernick has mostly avoided this type of scrutiny although he's actually half black himself. I wonder if he looked more "black" would he experience something similar?

Originally Posted by fan4ever (Post 10284093)

Irvin has a future as the next Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton once an opening is available.

If RGIII is under any special scrutiny, by the media or anyone else, it might be because they crapped themselves over how great this guy was going to be.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284100)

lolwut?

Cousins won't bring one 2nd round pick....let alone two 2nd round picks.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10284111)

I disgree, but we'll see. I think it's lock they are showcasing him and he gets traded this off season.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284107)

Anyone calling RG3 a bust already is a ****ing moron.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284119)

Oh I fully expect them to try and trade him this offseason. I just don't see him fetching two 2nd round picks.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10284126)

I think he is simialr to Schaub when he was traded from Atlanta so I'm basing it more off of that haul.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10284073)

Well they were going to bench Geno too so it must be a black thing, it couldn't be a playing like shit thing.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10284110)

I can't claim omniscience here; I can't read these guys minds. But the vitriol being tossed RGIIIs way is deserving of suspicion and I have no problem with Michael Irvin wondering aloud why that may be the case.

Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 10284128)

Didn't Irvin get fired from ESPN for saying. Romo had to have some "brother" in him? Back when Romo would run around and make a play? Irvin has a history of being a racist and a race baiter. He is trash and can not be taken serious.

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10284388)

Sure it's easy to dismiss Irwin's opinion as a coked out dunce who took one to many shots to the skull. However, I feel there's some truth to how the media portrays a black QB and a white QB's struggle.

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10284426)

Maybe if there were someone other than Jerry running the place, they'd set Romo down in place of Orton. Only problem is ... Orton sucks also. And, as much as they dig on Romo, he wasn't on defense when they let the pack come back from 25+ points down. Was he?

They give up that huge lead, fall behind and then he throws 2 INTs in the final minutes...

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10284426)

Maybe if there were someone other than Jerry running the place, they'd set Romo down in place of Orton. Only problem is ... Orton sucks also. And, as much as they dig on Romo, he wasn't on defense when they let the pack come back from 25+ points down. Was he?

They give up that huge lead, fall behind and then he throws 2 INTs in the final minutes...

Originally Posted by KChiefer (Post 10284532)

So when RG3 sucks, it's on him, and when Romo sucks, it's on his defense? You know whose DEF is worse in PPG than DAL??? WAS.

I get that Romo gets his share of criticism, but it just the way they get critiqued. I don't recall people calling Romo a primadonna. PPL talk about his fragile ego, not his inflated ego. And they say things like you, 'he can't do it all' and 'he needs more help.'

It's not RG3's fault his stud skill players are old ass Moss, Pierre Garcon, and a diamond in the rough Morris. RG3 won't ever even get a chance to choke as many times as Romo has.

Originally Posted by fan4ever (Post 10284640)

The hype behind RGIII was enormous. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Originally Posted by fan4ever (Post 10284640)

The hype behind RGIII was enormous. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284661)

So that means that Andrew Luck is going to fall harder right? Because his hype was bigger than RG3s.

Originally Posted by KChiefer (Post 10283936)

Whitlock did.


Google "RG3 ego." It has it's own twitter handle. And "ego" is just one version of saying he's "me-first."

Either way. I'm tired of hearing about RG3 period. He won't last taking hits, and the 'skins were idiots for trading a draft away for any one player.

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10284699)

Whitlock is obviously racist.
I can't believe you guys are crying race on this.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284661)

So that means that Andrew Luck is going to fall harder right? Because his hype was bigger than RG3s.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10284797)

Did this narrative take place when JaMarcus Russel was benched? How about Freeman being replaced for Glennon?


In the NFL its all about performance. Doesn't matter what color a player is. That's just an excuse.
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Originally Posted by fan4ever (Post 10284761)

Yeah, that's what it means...whosever big...falls...?

And I disagree...I would say RGIII had the edge in hype, not to mention his face on commercial after commercial, ad after ad...maybe that's just because Luck is ugly, but still.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10284087)

Again - the root cause is that he's playing like shit, but lots of guys play like shit without having attacks on their character. I think the media has largely taken an oddly venomous approach to RGIII this season and I think it's definitely fair to question why.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284809)

He's not talking strictly about the benching. He's talking about the way that the media is now basically attacking RG3 and coming up with bullshit about his ego and how he's a drama queen.

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 10285363)

They wouldn't do this to Andrew Luck because he isn't a steamy pile of suck as a quarterback.

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 10285674)

Hasn't this argument between The Rat and RGIII been going on since pre-season?

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 10285795)

I bet Johnny Football gets benched in the NFL.


Hog Farmer won't be pleased.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10285697)

And apparently the Rat was right.

Anyone can see RG3 isn't what he was. If he really is healthy he's done...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10284087)

If that were the case I'd agree that Michael Irvin is full of shit.

It's not been the case. Many commentators and fans are making this oddly personal with RGIII. They are saying he's a me-first diva. Prior to his struggles he was seen as a great teammate and a team-first guy. The moment he started to struggle, people suddenly started calling him a prima-donna.

I don't think he's changed as a person. He was considered a warrior and a leader when he was playing well. Suddenly his character's being called into question when he's struggling.

It's strange and it's not something you see happen in the media for most guys. When Cassel was awful, people weren't calling him an entitled shitheel. That's what people are doing with RGIII and I don't think it's even remotely fair; that's not been who he's been as a person or player throughout his college career and it isn't who he was last year when he was playing well.

Again - the root cause is that he's playing like shit, but lots of guys play like shit without having attacks on their character. I think the media has largely taken an oddly venomous approach to RGIII this season and I think it's definitely fair to question why.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10284102)

He started playing better. The rumblings about tattoos and immaturity started early on in the season. When he started playing well and they started winning, the whispers disappeared.

Like I said, this isn't straight up racism; had RGIII kept playing well we wouldn't have heard this. I just find it a little unsettling that most of the time a young, black QB starts to struggle, the immediate issue becomes one a 'diva' attitude and an unwillingness to lead. There have been loads of shitty QBs in this league and they didn't take these arrows. Someone mentioned Cutler - he wasn't getting blasted as a lousy leader until a little later in his career; his early struggles were simply the struggles of a young QB.

Others have mentioned Geno - the difference between those 2 is that the "Geno is a shitty leader" narrative has been largely played out; it was the focus of the draft leadup. And with Geno, there is actually some track record to suggest that Geno was a mediocre/poor leader in his years at WVU. Those were surfacing even when he was playing well.

Every single report around RGIII from college through last season was what a great person and leader he was. Suddenly when he's struggling it's not growing pains, it's a lack of personal character and accountability despite 5+ years of high level football that suggest otherwise.

That should make one take pause.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10284110)

And that's certainly a fair possibility. Members of the media are often hypercritical of guys they once fawned over; it's almost as though they're bitter about being made look a fool. It could also be overcompensating. Guys like Rick Riley, Tom Jackson and Bob Costas are the worst about this sort of thing; the bloviating asswipes that feel 'betrayed'. The PED stuff was the worst display of that you'll ever see.

Maybe there is something to the media types overcompensating for 'buying in' to the RGIII legend in 2012. Like I said, there may be some other explanations for it. But it's worth having the conversation - dismissing it out of hand is willfully ignorant. It suggests that RGIII's struggles have been treated the same as any other young QBs and I simply don't see how you can view what's gone on and believe that to be true.

I can't claim omniscience here; I can't read these guys minds. But the vitriol being tossed RGIIIs way is deserving of suspicion and I have no problem with Michael Irvin wondering aloud why that may be the case.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284809)

He's not talking strictly about the benching. He's talking about the way that the media is now basically attacking RG3 and coming up with bullshit about his ego and how he's a drama queen.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10284837)

Honestly they say this about alot of highly touted QBs who struggle. Jeff George, Ryan Leaf to name a few.
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10289449)

Two of the biggest assholes to ever sully professional sports doesn't seem like an overly fair comparison to Griffin.

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 10283796)

You know Cam?

Oh, right... you know what is reported about him. Cam was a young QB. He has to grow. The point is that this narrative seems to be saved exclusively for QB's who fit a certain criteria.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10283735)

I hate hate hate the race card in QB discussions.

But I've found the treatmentof RGIII to be dubious at best, to be honest. There have been a handful of times where I've flipped to an analysis of Griffin without hearing the beginning of the conversation and could tell immediately it was him they were talking about because of the kind of vaguely dismissive language they used.

I mean they tend to stop short of saying 'boy', but it sure gets close at times.

My first reaction is always to dismiss this kind of bitching. And I agree he wouldn't be getting treated like this if he was performing better - his poor play is the root cause of the issue. But I do think there is some truth to the fact that he's getting a little more of the 'this kid needs to learn his place and shut up' treatment because he's a black QB. Wilson isn't getting crap because he's a minority that's playing extremely well. But I do wonder if a guy like Luck or Tannehill would be taking these kinds of arrows had they struggled like RGIII has. Tannehill's locker room has been a complete cluster!@#$ and we don't hear people blasting his leadership.

In this particular instance, I do think it's fair to ask if there haven't been some racial overtones to some of the things said about RGIII. Is that why he was benched? Nah, I don't think Shanahan's a racist. But I do think his PR has been disproportionally negative because of it.

Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon (Post 10289298)

Not to turn this political, but I can't help but thinking that as soon as RG3 came out and announced he was a conservative republican and not in love with obama, the media attacked him. After all it wouldn't be the first time.

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 10289780)

I think it's interesting that the story has basically been RGIII and Shanahan. Anyone familiar with the Redskins over the last 10-15 years knows the organization is poison, and the minute RGIII was drafted by them this sort of nonsense was inevitable.
It starts with Snyder and it's never going to change while he's there. If it's not Shanahan and RGIII it will be someone else.

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 10289780)

I think it's interesting that the story has basically been RGIII and Shanahan. Anyone familiar with the Redskins over the last 10-15 years knows the organization is poison, and the minute RGIII was drafted by them this sort of nonsense was inevitable.
It starts with Snyder and it's never going to change while he's there. If it's not Shanahan and RGIII it will be someone else.

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10289817)

I'm not sure if the Redskins or the Raiders have a poisonous organization that turns good people into bad people. I just think that people like RG3, or in Oakland, Jamarcus Russell, had the same attitude that a 20 year old kid who got drafted would have. They think they are the greatest thing out there, and that their success is all on them. What they need is an organization that helps shape character factors like humility and... well, character in general.

A lot of these young QBs think when they sign the contract that that's it. They don't realize that this is just the beginning of their journey into being a QB, and that no matter where they were drafted or how skilled they are, the odds are still against them

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10289821)

Most of the NFL Network crew were agreeing that it is all but impossible for RGIII to come back from this deactivation.

Originally Posted by UK_Chief (Post 10289843)

I wonder what his trade price would be now? Worth a risk?!

Originally Posted by UK_Chief (Post 10289843)

I wonder what his trade price would be now? Worth a risk?!